A french family files a complaint against SaSu

[Defenestration]

Dijon : la famille de Marie, 25 ans, accuse un site internet de l'avoir guidée pour se suicider - ici

Une enquête contre X pour incitation au suicide est ouverte par le parquet de Dijon, à propos du suicide de Marie Lévêque, une jeune femme de 25 ans, qui s'est donné la mort à Dijon en octobre 2024. Sa famille accuse un site internet de l'avoir guidée et accompagnée pour mettre fin à ses jours.

www.francebleu.fr

 

[Michi_Violeta]

It's always sad looking at news like this: nobody wins. Somebody already lost their life, a family lost their loved one, and their misplaced anger and guilt may mean us losing what has become a safe haven for lost souls that have no place elsewhere.

I wonder what a family would feel, going on a crusade against this site only to find out the loved one they lost mentioned them here as a cause for their suicide. Not saying that's what happened in this particular case, just that it's a possibility which illustrates how profoundly hypocritical are people in regards to suicide. A girl in the creative writing workshop I lead hanged herself almost six years ago, her father was a particularly dysfunctional and distressing part of her life, from what I know it was one of the main drivers in her motivation to kill herself. Who was the one being the most dramatic and crying and asking God why o why during the funeral? The dad, of course.

If you're a family relative or a news reporter, know this: most of us here are very well educated and intelligent people, nobody is coercing us to be in these forums. On the contrary, we're here of our own free will because we feel coerced everywhere else in life. You may think you've been in your shoes, but truth be told you haven't: you don't know pain like ours and to pretend you do and that you have the right to save us is so farcical it's nauseating. Take this place away from us and you won't be saving any lives, heck there's even a recovery section for people to get support, you'll just be removing the possibility of people who understand each other to gather and support each other as they seek a peaceful and dignified death.

Just like prohibition didn't work out, harming SaSu or banning SN won't change anything. Life is still shit for most of us. Trauma is still there and won't disappear because you "save us." People will just find other places, more secretive ones, and more gruesome ways to kill themselves out of sheer desperation. It's your call: you can be like the idiots who blame videogames for kids being violent or you can use half your brain to try and understand what are the real problems here. Spoiler: SaSu ain't one of them.

 

[bdaybaddie]

Are there anysites like this one if it got banned?

 

[Pryras]

I don't believe for one second this site has encouraged or convinced anyone to kill themselves. Most people who end up committing suicide will never know this forum even exists and the ones who do at least found some resources to ease some suffering by either creating a safe space to vent or finding some resources to get better methods that are less painful.

 

[genie]

Are there anysites like this one if it got banned?

Not sure. This site came about because of a pro choice subreddit getting banned. The internet is becoming increasingly sanitised. I think there may be a discord server for SaSu.

 

[opheliaoveragain]

Not sure. This site came about because of a pro choice subreddit getting banned. The internet is becoming increasingly sanitised. I think there may be a discord server for SaSu.

be mindful of discord. they regularly work with cops. the telegram group got pulled. I think the mods are working on it as far as I know.

 

[genie]

This site can actually help people not CTB though. The generic "things will get better" or "you have a lot to live for" on mainstream support sites don't help and in my opinion, can be harmful and make things worse. Being honest and open without a judgemental attitude can be a boon.

be mindful of discord. they regularly work with cops. the telegram group got pulled. I think the mods are working on it as far as I know.

Yeah. They took down kratom servers so not the biggest fan.. Didn't know the telegram group got pulled.

 

[bdaybaddie]

No discord I know about, and since they want to do a IPO they wont let this kind of site last.
Telegram also got banned, so nothing really but this site it seems

 

[sanction]

I wonder if the owner of this site has consulted with a lawyer before. I believe it is worth consulting with them at least once, to see what the rules are

Most likely this site is in the "grey area", where it is not completely illegal, while governments are also not a fan of the idea

As long as it remains within legal limits, and is registered / operated from a country that has less strict laws, it should be fine

Certain countries can ban direct access to this site, and users will just have to use VPN to access it

But I assume the owner of this site are already fully aware of the laws, and know what they're doing

In the end, the internet is full of literally anything you can imagine, all sorts of crazy and weird stuff are still permitted

Also one extra thing to note. In certain countries, despite drugs being illegal, governments have these "safe injection sites", where drugs users can actually go into these places, where needles, supplies, medical assistance are actually provided by the government to these users, simply so they can do it more safely there, to prevent people from overdosing and dying randomly on the streets or alleys

In a way, I feel this site also fits in that type of category. This site is like an open discussion, therapeutic, and educational platform, for those considering to end their life. Compared to people hiding in a dark room, with no one to communicate with, and zero idea of the risks involved in various methods.

As long as certain professionalism and standard is maintained, this site has a chance to stay online

 

[needthebus]

Oh look, another negative article about SaSu: "Suicide Exists, SaSu exists, therefore SaSu causes happy people to commit suicide." How unexpected for this to happen.

There may come a time at some point for the website owners to take this website and make it onion-only. Hopefully that doesn't happen.

The owners may also wish to hand the website owners over to new owners, who will remain anonymous for their own safety and so as to avoid such legal matters.

If the servers are linked to an onion and rotated from location to location, much like DarkNet markets, it will become harder for these awful journalists and religious types to prevent people from just talking about their feelings and the possibility of dying.

What SaSu really does, is not encourage suicide, but SaSu encourages that people who try to commit suicide don't fail in a way in which they can't move, can't do anything, require 24 hour a day care, and are trapped in a hell which religious people would be more than willing to impose upon those wishing to die. How many botched suicides, where people didn't die but aren't quite living anymore, did SaSu prevent? That's the real question. All SaSu does is allow very unhappy people to have a rational discussion: is this worth it? Is the pain worth sticking around, and if not, is there a way to do it that's not going to result in some horrible botched quasi-alive existence with 24/7 care, people preventing a person who naturally would normally die from dying with machines and feedings etc.

We are sad people, many of us want to die, all we want to do is talk with each other. Many of us have had horrible interactions with the mental health industry which is so focused on looking good to others that no one notices what a deleterious impact the mental health industrial complex has on the mentally ill, who often feel exploited, degraded, humiliated, and tortured by the very system that is supposed to "heal" us.

The article also says she was "guided" on the phone during her attempt, which I don't believe for one moment. How does the family or reporter know the content of the call? Many of us plan our suicides, are intent on doing it, and would prefer not to be alone during that final moment. It seems much more likely that this person simply didn't want to be alone if she received a call.

Although medications do work for some people, and some people get better after being depressed, most people here have been depressed for years and years, have not been helped by medications, and many of us have chronic conditions.

 

[DOHARDTHINGS24]

Before life led me to this site, I would not have understood this site.
Some things cannot be explained, they must be experienced.
You could watch a million movies of people dying, yet know nothing of grief, until someone you love dies.
Most people have some comprehension of depression, but no clue as to the depths.
Someone could break a bone & not be able to imagine a pain greater, until they get kidney stones.
It's very easy for Them to point at our side of the fence. It's very easy for Us to point at their side of the fence.
The way forward for both sides, IMO, is to TRULY imagine how the other side feels.
If someone you love died by suicide, blame & guilt is always a factor. A lot of people carry that burden themselves, a lot of people lash out & need to direct that Somewhere, Anywhere. If most people found out a loved one lurked around in an online suicide forum, with people giving advice on methods & protocols, they would be shocked. Especially so, I imagine, if it's your child. This site sounds abhorrent to outsiders & I think it's important to be mindful of that, of their loss, their grief, their shock, their Big Feelings, their need to direct all that to a home. And initially, I doubt anyone on that side would Get It, that may or may not come with time.
I am now on this side of the fence. What I would like Them to know, after imagining how bad life must be to bring us here, how much life would be worse if here did not exist??
This site prevents botched attempts & potential long term health complications, it gives advice on how to succeed. And to some, that is enough. It is what I joined for.
What I did not anticipate & do not think the other side can comprehend, is how important this community is for so many people. People who are lonely or isolated or scared to voice their opinions or didn't understand how many of us are out there & a million other things I can't put into words. I said when I joined here, I did not want friends.
But after my friend here CTB'd, I realised that my thoughts & feelings had found a home with them, found a home on this site. I am not lonely IRL, but here is the only place I talk about suicide & shame & make some pretty dark jokes. When my friend died, I realised that I did not want to give up that home. I write to them, I write here, that Need might not have been known to me in the Before Times, but now that I have acknowledged it, I couldn't think of anything worse than having it taken away before my bus comes. Empathy is missing in my life IRL, but on a good day, it's rained down on me here enough to bring me to my knees.
Thank you SaSu for existing, & please DO NOT CATCH YOUR BUS BEFORE ME, mofo

 

[Jdieiejdjaow]

People always like to blame others instead of looking at the systemic issues causing people to transition. Dysfunctional people, societies, countries, systems do that. Suicide exists (in its majority) for a reason. People don't do it because of fun.

 

[rozeske]

No one is the winner when it comes to suicide. It will always be hard on everyone involved and seeing goodbye threads would be unimaginable for loved ones. Rationally speaking a site the person was in on for a couple of months should be the very last, if at all, to be blamed for their suicide but people going through grief rarely are rational. I imagine it would be easier to blame something, anything and move on.

 

[DOHARDTHINGS24]

No one is the winner when it comes to suicide. It will always be hard on everyone involved and seeing goodbye threads would be unimaginable for loved ones. Rationally speaking a site the person was in on for a couple of months should be the very last, if at all, to be blamed for their suicide but people going through grief rarely are rational. I imagine it would be easier to blame something, anything and move on.

Agree with every word, until the last bit "and move on".
As someone with a high demo of successful suicides (I know I say this a lot, but I would guess "most" people here max out at knowing maybe 1, IRL - when it gets to the dozens, DOZENS, then come for me...), some people move on from a suicide easily (hello, narcissists & sociopaths that brought us here), some people with time, & some never. I do not ever wish to discourage anyone from CTB'ing or doubt their life is filled with C-words, but I do encourage everyone to find a way to be found by emergency services, even instead of your worst enemy that you hate right now, who you think deserves this right now -they do not deserve a dead blue smurf, a rotting blue smurf, a bug infested corpse, a half eaten corpse. To be clear, not happened to me personally (thank you, god, that I do not believe in) but to people I know who simply have not & will not recover.
In my experience, to all y'all suicidal poetry geeks out there, you too @rozeske
"And that has made all the difference"
Do with that what you will, but kindness matters peeps.

 

[rozeske]

Agree with every word, until the last bit "and move on".
As someone with a high demo of successful suicides (I know I say this a lot, but I would guess "most" people here max out at knowing maybe 1, IRL - when it gets to the dozens, DOZENS, then come for me...), some people move on from a suicide easily (hello, narcissists & sociopaths that brought us here), some people with time, & some never. I do not ever wish to discourage anyone from CTB'ing or doubt their life is filled with C-words, but I do encourage everyone to find a way to be found by emergency services, even instead of your worst enemy that you hate right now, who you think deserves this right now -they do not deserve a dead blue smurf, a rotting blue smurf, a bug infested corpse, a half eaten corpse. To be clear, not happened to me personally (thank you, god, that I do not believe in) but to people I know who simply have not & will not recover.
In my experience, to all y'all suicidal poetry geeks out there, you too @rozeske
"And that has made all the difference"
Do with that what you will, but kindness matters peeps.

Sorry, you seem to have lost me there a bit. That was not at all what I meant by move on. My point was there obviously is a lot that goes on the minds of people as to why exactly their loved one made the decision to commit suicide and among those speculations, "they were on a suicide forum for a couple of months and were coerced into killing themselves" might be the easiest one to claim and hold on to in helping them move on from reflecting on the more likely scenarios of what actually drove the person to suicide. I wasn't trying to be unkind or anything and I don't believe loved ones should be punished with witnessing a rotting corpse or whatever, but I strongly disagree with sasu being made out to be the first and only reason whenever someone ends up dying by suicide.

 

[Defenestration]

It's always sad looking at news like this: nobody wins. Somebody already lost their life, a family lost their loved one, and their misplaced anger and guilt may mean us losing what has become a safe haven for lost souls that have no place elsewhere.

I wonder what a family would feel, going on a crusade against this site only to find out the loved one they lost mentioned them here as a cause for their suicide. Not saying that's what happened in this particular case, just that it's a possibility which illustrates how profoundly hypocritical are people in regards to suicide. A girl in the creative writing workshop I lead hanged herself almost six years ago, her father was a particularly dysfunctional and distressing part of her life, from what I know it was one of the main drivers in her motivation to kill herself. Who was the one being the most dramatic and crying and asking God why o why during the funeral? The dad, of course.

If you're a family relative or a news reporter, know this: most of us here are very well educated and intelligent people, nobody is coercing us to be in these forums. On the contrary, we're here of our own free will because we feel coerced everywhere else in life. You may think you've been in your shoes, but truth be told you haven't: you don't know pain like ours and to pretend you do and that you have the right to save us is so farcical it's nauseating. Take this place away from us and you won't be saving any lives, heck there's even a recovery section for people to get support, you'll just be removing the possibility of people who understand each other to gather and support each other as they seek a peaceful and dignified death.

Just like prohibition didn't work out, harming SaSu or banning SN won't change anything. Life is still shit for most of us. Trauma is still there and won't disappear because you "save us." People will just find other places, more secretive ones, and more gruesome ways to kill themselves out of sheer desperation. It's your call: you can be like the idiots who blame videogames for kids being violent or you can use half your brain to try and understand what are the real problems here. Spoiler: SaSu ain't one of them.

Can I post your message on my Facebook page, hiding the website name and your username? Just the part where you talk about journalists.
@Michi_Violeta

 

[Michi_Violeta]

Sur

Can I post your message on my Facebook page, hiding the website name and your username? Just the part where you talk about journalists.
@Michi_Violeta

Sure thing, be me guest!

 

[DOHARDTHINGS24]

Sorry, you seem to have lost me there a bit. That was not at all what I meant by move on. My point was there obviously is a lot that goes on the minds of people as to why exactly their loved one made the decision to commit suicide and among those speculations, "they were on a suicide forum for a couple of months and were coerced into killing themselves" might be the easiest one to claim and hold on to in helping them move on from reflecting on the more likely scenarios of what actually drove the person to suicide. I wasn't trying to be unkind or anything and I don't believe loved ones should be punished with witnessing a rotting corpse or whatever, but I strongly disagree with sasu being made out to be the first and only reason whenever someone ends up dying by suicide.

Not my intent to say you were unkind or any of the rest of what you said. At all. Apologies that it read that way to you, sincerely. I'm never trying to be the asshole, here, ever, ever. But I understand that my points might not always get to the receiver in the same way it is in my brain - lack of time & capacity & ADHD & tone in writing etc. Sincere apologies, truly, but I would also hope that you give me the benefit of the doubt - I may be the problem but I try really hard not to be the asshole on a suicide forum.

 

[rozeske]

Not my intent to say you were unkind or any of the rest of what you said. At all. Apologies that it read that way to you, sincerely. I'm never trying to be the asshole, here, ever, ever. But I understand that my points might not always get to the receiver in the same way it is in my brain - lack of time & capacity & ADHD & tone in writing etc. Sincere apologies, truly, but I would also hope that you give me the benefit of the doubt - I may be the problem but I try really hard not to be the asshole on a suicide forum.

No worries. I was quoted and mentioned, just wanted to clear things up incase my comment was perceived the wrong way.

 

[DOHARDTHINGS24]

No worries. I was quoted and mentioned, just wanted to clear things up incase my comment was perceived the wrong way.

Completely understand.
I need to spend more time trying to understand what the recipient is reading when I post, or just post less. Probs posting less is easier... Things make sense in my brain. It's unfortunate I can't always get that across. Apologies again & also again, there was defs nothing negative coming from my way, just poor writing, not poor intent.

 

[alivefornow]

She probably had a relatively peaceful death by using what she learned here. Her mind was probably in pain, but she took herself out without the need of extreme violence. This is sad but at least her suffering is over. That is something her family will have to learn to live with. This could be avoided if people had respect for others' wishes to die.

 

[Defenestration]

https://france3-regions.francetvinf...acebook&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR3E-nHvQcPw

 

[itsnigh]

https://france3-regions.francetvinf...acebook&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR3E-nHvQcPw

Is it possible to read these in English do you happen to know, please?

 

[Defenestration]

Est-il possible de les lire en anglais, le savez-vous, s'il vous plaît ?

use the translation function on your phone or computer...you must have one, right?

 

[notreallybored]

ב''ה,
Feels like mine are waiting for their chance to do this.

 

[Defenestration]

Oui,
J'ai l'impression que les miens attendent leur chance pour le faire.

?

 

[Lo$t95]

Not sure. This site came about because of a pro choice subreddit getting banned. The internet is becoming increasingly sanitised. I think there may be a discord server for SaSu.

There used to be a Telegram (messenger app) but that got nuked a while ago as well…