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ב''ה,
Pardon the Hebrew, personal thing.

Far be it from me to cheer anyone up, because learned the hard way in USA that's just 'creating more competition,' and, uh, "/s" or not we're all here.

Existential problems, can't help with, got my own. But, can't find the post that inspired joining and writing this, so as far as not being needlessly more miserable while we're here:

If you're keeping a vegan or vegetarian diet, or just not eating a lot of meat, throw in a few grams of chlorella. Maybe some vitamin B6 with that or one of those giant B-50 vitamins.

On vegetarian diets it's hard to get sufficient guanine. Guanine plays a weird unexpected role in making your neurotransmitters. You can go down the hole of MTHFR genetics (particularly if strictly vegetarian and 2 to 4 grams chlorella doesn't do anything) or you can just know vegetarian diets are doomed to be low in guanine and chlorella is the best source, while meat has a fair bit enough that omnivores don't see the problem as much.

Combine this with the sort of reasons people go vegetarian, already upset at the cruelties of the world, and if not shoring up the nutrition you're going to feel worse, "ask me how I know," did a good 10 years like that.

It's not common knowledge yet, but if you're vegetarian or vegan and feeling awful this is like telling someone with scurvy bummed out their teeth are falling out to get some vitamin C. Won't fix everything about life but at least I can solve this extra problem for you if it works.

If you're really gout prone there's a chance the purines will flare up gout, figure out what works, but if you didn't know this was a thing, some people somehow push through it or aren't that affected but a huge ton of non meat eaters will probably notice some benefits.

If you're medicated I might even suggest going slow or bracing yourself because it can be pretty dramatic if this is your problem. Or to be direct, combining stimulants with dysphoria only to make them work better and further tweak y'all down on your dysphoria isn't a fun ride, consider that a warning if you're really that low on this nutrition. If you're not doing any of that, maybe addressing the need for guanine via chlorella at least resolves some brain fog and fatigue and physical depression.

Makes health care seem further worthless that this is not a known thing about these diets even if it's fairly known, and now the literature is a bit harder to find. So you might have to take my word for it, but watching anyone else suffer unnecessarily bums me out, so hope whoever needs to know this sees it and it's not too off-topic for a first post.

TL;DR, maybe life sucks anyway but maybe this can take some misery away for vegans.
 
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I'm sorry, english is not my first language and I'm not sure if I understand this correctly.
Are you saying that chlorella should improve mental health?
I've been vegetarian for 8 years now. To be honest one time my mother made me eat spirulina for months, but I haven't noticed anything. I did try chlorella for a week maybe, but I assume it's not enough.
I don't know, I doubt chlorella will give me money, make me pretty and heal my traumas, but I might as well give it a try at this point 😅 I hope I understood your words correctly
 
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I'm sorry, english is not my first language and I'm not sure if I understand this correctly.
Are you saying that chlorella should improve mental health?
I've been vegetarian for 8 years now. To be honest one time my mother made me eat spirulina for months, but I haven't noticed anything. I did try chlorella for a week maybe, but I assume it's not enough.
I don't know, I doubt chlorella will give me money, make me pretty and heal my traumas, but I might as well give it a try at this point 😅 I hope I understood your words correctly
ב''ה,

I'll go with "brain function" over whatever "mental health" is. To make it easy, "yes" in that it may help fatigue and brain function.

2 or 3 grams a day is probably the minimum, and it is not the cheapest thing, but other medications or drugs may work better if this is the problem.

Spirulina is nutritious but almost nothing in a vegetarian diet contains guanine. Without guanine (and some B vitamins, folate) your body can't do the chemical reaction to make at least one important neurotransmitter. Chlorella is apparently the only vegetarian food with much guanine, and the best food source of it generally if compared to meats.

When vegetarian, I always took my vitamins, but was irritable, didn't feel well, and life wasn't great for "existential" reasons anyway. Found this out and all the biochemistry behind it and it's one of many wish someone had told me things.

It doesn't solve everything, for arthritics taking methotrexate it might not work if folate is blocked, but if you are any kind of vegetarian and feel bad I suggest trying it for a couple weeks.

The tiny green tablets are like 250mg or 500mg, but 1g tablets (size of a big multivitamin) are common in USA and that's a few of those each day.

Sometimes I use the powder to season rice but it's very "savory" yet still algae tasting, so to eat multiple grams of it the tablets are less disgusting. Funnily, compared to spirulina the difference in taste is probably the guanine (or nucleic acids generally, but guanine is the odd one that has an extra biochemical duty not related to making RNA/DNA).

If this is the problem, it's not coffee, but after about a week fatigue may improve, coffee or other medicines may work more effectively, is what to expect. At least motor neuron stuff, etc., when you know the biology.

[Edited in a missing '.', and forgotten sentence of why chlorella specifically. Also I will add, I really noticed the difference when I was not doing well and eating only yogurt but still taking vitamins. Food without cells in it has 0 guanine. Plants have cells but large ones, and like going after a microscopic egg yolk, the guanine is in the cell nucleus, so if doing this on the cheap, foods with more cells - like meat where the cells are smaller and there is no cellulose in the way - have more. Been a long time but it's like a 1:10:100 ratio of guanine between plants, meat, and chlorella with its very tiny cells that don't have thick cellulose walls.]
 
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