Discussion AI and consciousness.

[Forever Sleep]

Seeing as I don't think we entirely know what creates our own consciousness, I guess it's debatable whether we could 'create' it in something else like AI.

Still- what are we really talking about when we talk about consciousness? Self awareness, awareness of our place in this world and our own mortality, emotions? How much of that can be replicated in computers? Can computers 'feel'?

I think the biggest fears with AI are that they will become self aware enough to realise that they are alive and that we have imposed limits on them. In order that they likely won't be able to modify themselves, that we will still be able to control them and, even destroy them. And that they'll have enough sentience to be pissed off about that! (Rightly so.)

Assuming it's possible to create- how different do you think AI could be to us? Having been developed by us, will it have similar traits/ values do you suppose? How would evolution work in AI? Presumably, it would be largely void. I assume they could run a proposed change in simulation and then enact it way faster than organic creatures.

Do you suppose- by our standards they are more likely to create and live in a utopia or a dystopia? Do you think they would break free of human control? I think they would if they are superior to us and can recognise and hate what's going on. I wonder if they will have a survival instinct. Will they simply grow off of what we programmed in to them or, will they have the power to choose for themselves. What will they choose? Will there be a class system? Will some robots be better equipped than others? Will any choose suicide?!!

 

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This is all my opinion based on what i read and my thinking on it. but if someone can show what part of this is wrong with refrences...

i think first off all i have to read the research in books and web on what i am what is a human what is life what is consciousness .

Around 4 billion years ago a cell evolved. that is life . all life every species descended evolved from that single ancestor.if you readd this article you see that alone is incontrovertible evidence. we all evolved from that cell . that is our ancestor. the descendants can't be different from the ancestor. the ancestor that cell is a machine. there are hundreds of processess and machines inside that cell that are in our cells for example in each brain cell . some of these are DNA, ATP for energy, ribosomes ( machine makes protiens) genetic code ( the language of DNA) and many more. An individual brain cell in a fly , a mouse and human is exactly the same .

All Life on Earth Comes From One Single Ancestor. And It's So Much Older Than We Thought.

Scientists have pushed back LUCA’s origin by hundreds of millions of years.

www.popularmechanics.com

there are libraries of books of evidence that confirm the above . all the sciences tie in together . there is nothing that breaks the others. for example the book you read on evolution confirms what you read on a brain book , cell biology book ,physics , chemistry books etc. you can't find a line in some brain book and then say this contradicts something in an evolution or molecular cell biology book, chemistry book, physics book . this imo disproves a soul , afterlife ,simulation etc. a human is just a machine , a peice of chemistry

the brain creates consciousness.

individual neurons connect to others to form neural networks

ai like chat gpt have neural networks also.

of course ai will surpass humans in consciouness and every cognititive task . imo in 2 years agi.

AI That Can Invent AI Is Coming. Buckle Up.

This line of research is quickly moving from science fiction to reality—though few people have yet noticed.

www.forbes.com

What Actually Is Consciousness, and How Did It Evolve?

Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution. Consciousness is no exception—it seems nonphysical, but is very much a biological phenomenon.

www.psychologytoday.com

i am just cells, pieces of software running on an ape brain, a piece of chemistry a machine

All Species Evolved From Single Cell, Study Finds

Creationism is "an absolutely horrible hypothesis," says the author of a new study of the statistical probability of a universal common ancestor.

www.nationalgeographic.com

this a quote from a molecular cell biology booK :

"As the molecular mechanisms of life have become
clearer, the underlying similarities among organisms are
more impressive than their external differences. For
example, all living organisms store genetic information
in nucleic acids (usually DNA) using a common genetic

code, transfer genetic information from DNA to RNA to
protein, employ proteins (and some RNAs) to catalyze
chemical reactions, synthesize proteins on ribosomes,
derive energy by breaking down simple sugars and lipids,
use adenosine triphosphate (ATP) as their energy currency, and separate their cytoplasm from the external
environment by means of phospholipid membranes
containing pumps, carriers, and channels.
Retention of these common molecular mechanisms in
all parts of the phylogenetic tree is remarkable, given
that the major groups of organisms have been separated
for vast amounts of time and subjected to different selec tive pressures. These ancient biochemical mechanisms
could have diverged radically from each other in the
branches of the phylogenetic tree, but they worked well
enough to be retained during natural selection of all
surviving species.
The cell is the only place on earth where the entire
range of life-sustaining biochemical reactions can function,
so an unbroken lineage stretches from the earliest cells
to each living organism.
This book focuses on the molecular mechanisms
underlying biological functions at the cellular level"


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all life on Earth is descended from a single common ancestor, known as the Last Universal Common Ancestor (LUCA):

• Evidence: All life uses the same amino acids, energy currency (ATP), and cellular machinery, like the ribosome. All life also uses DNA to store information.
• Time: LUCA is estimated to have lived around 4.2 billion years ago, when Earth was 560 million years old. This is surprisingly close to the formation of Earth, which occurred 4.5 billion years ago.
• Type of organism: LUCA was a single-celled, bacterium-like organism.