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I have tried a reasonable amount of drugs:
5 MEO-DMT - beautiful but temporary
Weed - was my best friend and I don't like it anymore
Shrooms - make me feel horrible in my tummy and make me cry with the hallucinations - my first time was the best time
LSD - I don't like it anymore
Ayahuasca - I might try it again, but am scared of it
DMT - I don't think I could breathe it in deeply enough for it to work
Heroin - didn't like it, just tried it once
Ketamine - didn't like it that much. Don't think I went to the K-hole, though I snorted a fair bit

I have Tramadol (nearly) but just read the reviews and don't know if I like the sound of it. It makes you feel sick the first time you take it apparently - I did feel sick after the heroin and I don't like that feeling. Unless I should just try it for a week or two to see if it's good if I take it consistently. I also read about the withdrawals.

Feel desperate and lost....are there any other drugs anyone recommends so at least I can have a break from all of this?
 
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I would like to know too. wow you have a lot of experience. maybe I just buy alcohol ... maybe tramadol. I'm currently addicted to benzos, but they don't work anymore, I'm just afraid of seizures.
 
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To be honest, drugs are just a temporary relief from all pain. I used to get really drunk and smoke a lot of hash.
 
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I only do medical marijuana. Way too much. I shake the next day when I crash. If my resistance gets up, I stop for a few days.
 
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I only do medical marijuana. Way too much. I shake the next day when I crash. If my resistance gets up, I stop for a few days.

This happens to me with MMJ. I feel great at small doses throughout the day and then I start to need it more often. When I take a brake or switch strains I get even more miserable.
 
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This happens to me with MMJ. I feel great at small doses throughout the day and then I start to need it more often. When I take a brake or switch strains I get even more miserable.
Thank you for that! I thought I was the only one!! It isn't a very common symptom.
 
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Feel desperate and lost....are there any other drugs anyone recommends so at least I can have a break from all of this?

do you want to get better, or to have a break? most drugs that will give you a "break" are short lived and will often leave you in a worse position afterwards. Cocaine, MDMA, Meth, Crack are all amazing "breaks" but are probably not what you need. I am quite passionate about psychedelics as therapy, though they are difficult experiences, I think probably the most beneficial and most likely to help you to recover. When you tried ayahuasca was it a one off ceremony? was it with someone who knew how to deliver it? you say you're scared of it and I get that, but is that because it is showing you the parts of yourself that need to change? if you are resistant to want to recover the psychedelic experience will be more difficult. If you can admit to yourself that you want to get better and address the dark parts of yourself, psychedelics may be your best bet. I'm not trying to come across as judgmental, what I'm saying may be completely irrelevant since I know nothing about you, take care x
 
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do you want to get better, or to have a break? most drugs that will give you a "break" are short lived and will often leave you in a worse position afterwards. Cocaine, MDMA, Meth, Crack are all amazing "breaks" but are probably not what you need. I am quite passionate about psychedelics as therapy, though they are difficult experiences, I think probably the most beneficial and most likely to help you to recover. When you tried ayahuasca was it a one off ceremony? was it with someone who knew how to deliver it? you say you're scared of it and I get that, but is that because it is showing you the parts of yourself that need to change? if you are resistant to want to recover the psychedelic experience will be more difficult. If you can admit to yourself that you want to get better and address the dark parts of yourself, psychedelics may be your best bet. I'm not trying to come across as judgmental, what I'm saying may be completely irrelevant since I know nothing about you, take care x

Hello SlackJim

Have you had any luck with psychedelics? I'd love to hear which ones and your experiences if you'd like to share. I've written a long ramble below on my experiences - because my brain is not working very well and it makes me feel kind of numb when I am writing. Hope you don't mind. I do appreciate your message and thoughts x

For me, it's increasingly clear to me that there is nothing that makes me feel better. I get two weeks off from time to time, then anything that is helping me stops working. Psychedelics at the most give me a day off - and not even that anymore. I'm pretty bedridden and just trying to gather the energy to do stuff like write my will and suicide notes. I am also writing a medication test schedule -because there are some I haven't tried. My big fear is that I get even worse, and do not have the energy to CTB - so I want to make sure I am all prepared to CTB.

Psychedelics on the whole have given me hallucinations, which I used to believe. I got married on the back of an Ayahuasca trip, because it was all so convincing for me. It was with a proper Shaman. I felt so in touch with my higher self (as I then believed in it). Now my marriage is over, and I am having to face the reality that all my visions were not true, and that I am a woman with a mental illness that I can find no treatment that helps. My days are spent panicking and wanting to die, and every night I am scared of going to sleep, because the next morning it starts all over again.

I have read up on whether Ayahuasca helps depression, and there are very mixed reports. I am dubious as to whether it does - if the reports were more promising I would return to it like a shot, but just not listen to the hallucinations.

I do love cocaine. I have only had it once, it was just beautiful. Meth and crack haven't tried. MDMA doesn't do much for me - I asked my psychiatrist if that meant anything re my brain, and he said "maybe just bad drugs" which wasn't helpful. I was hoping he was going to say something like - maybe I have no serotonin receptors, which would not surprise me....Basically, what do psychiatrists know. Maybe I will get some more cocaine....

I am a different person when I am happy (which I had for 11 days this year because of a supplement that then stopped working). I don't know how I can change myself, when all I am doing from the moment I wake up is suffering suicidal thoughts and panic. I would take anything to escape, and yet hardly anything helps.

For me, in general, psychedelics make me hallucinate - it's all Kabbalah, mysticism, Hindu Gods and Goddesses, also Egyptian ones. I am thoroughly fed up of it. I used to believe in all of it - and now it is pointless to me. My Ayahuasca story - it's quite ridiculous:

Ayahuasca was with a shaman in Spain, he is now deceased. It was part of a one week course, containing two ceremonies. The second ceremony took away my long-held self hatred (I used to wake up every day thinking I hate myself and I want to die, and after aya it was simply I want to die)...The vision was about choosing my mother to act like she hated me, because that was how much I hated myself. I tapped myself a lot on the forehead and everywhere else - I said I was "recalibrating." I also said during the ceremony while I was on teh Ayahuasca, that I was never drinking Ayahuasca again. I felt very in touch with my "higher self" as I then believed in it, so also believed never taking Ayahuasca again was the right solution.

My then boyfriend was desperate to marry me (even though I was entirely mad and moody and unsure about the relationship, and kept breaking up with him). On the Ayahuasca, in touch with what I believed was my higher self, I had a vision of our engagement ring, was told the name of the crystal for it (which I had never heard of before) and was told everyone celebrates when we get married. I also had a vision that we would have male twins.

Because of that vision, and because I trusted it so much, I got engaged and then married! The marriage was very unhappy for both of us, we rowed all the time. But still, I committed to it and believed it would work, because of what I saw when I was high. As I increasingly realised the severity of my depression, and more recently my mental illness, nevertheless I still believed my husband and I would stay together and we would have male twins.

We separated just last year. I am still grieving because I ended up feeling so much commitment to the marriage, and so invested in it working. Though now I increasingly know that nothing helps me, and that I will not get better.

Now my marriage is over and I have learned to take everything seen on psychedelics with a big pinch of salt. Everything I ever believed in crumbled away.

I'm sorry this all makes me sound so grumpy.

I don't think psychedelics can do anything lasting for me - I have taken a lot of LSD it doesn't help me anymore, even on the day I take it. Besides look at Jim Morrison!!! He took so much LSD it is TERRIFYING!!! He was practically pickled in it.

Mushrooms nowadays, after one beautiful experience many years ago, just turn my stomach into knots and make me cry because I hallucinate with regrets about being so ill in my marriage, and there is nothing I can do about the grief or shame of that. I feel like they are bleeding my brain with tears. That is how I would describe it. Just horrible.

I have also tried: Peyote - first time a massive vision about Tantra/Kabbalah and also grief for an abortion I had, second time nothing
Ibogaine - at home - not recommended at home!
Kambo - made me feel better the first time for two weeks, since then does nothing for me.
5 MEO-DMT - told me to write a letter to an ex of mine, which on sobering up I knew was a very bad idea
DMT - didn't last that long

What else is there to try?!!!
 
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I didn't throw up or feel sick from tramadol, FWIW.
 
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I didn't throw up or feel sick from tramadol, FWIW.

Thank you. I'm going to pick it up today if I can get myself out the house. I've been taking Lithium Orotate which is microdose Lithium and then today a St John's Wort pill to get me out of bed (which worked), but hopefully by tomorrow I should be okay to test the Tramadol. Then if it helps my depression, do I take it at a low dose every day? I guess I should not get too excited too early.

I know it's not ideal as a long term depression treatment. I am just so lost as to what to try next - because everything seems to involve getting worse before the faint possiblity of getting better.


Also - here is an article which is positive on Ayahuasca and depression. If it would help my depression, I would take it every week!!! https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/ayahuasca-psychedelic-tested-for-depression/

Here's another Ayahuasca story: https://www.webmd.com/depression/news/20191031/can-psychedelic-ayahuasca-help-with-depression

This one is about microdosing Ayahuasca: https://mayahuascaperu.com/ayahuasca-depression/
 
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Meth is obviously dangerous and so is adderall, but have you tried regular amphetamine?
 
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Meth is obviously dangerous and so is adderall, but have you tried regular amphetamine?

Not yet - but I do have access to this and have heard it helps depression. Apparently it will make me do lots of cleaning - erm and my friend who has it has a dirty house! So that might be good :)
 
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Not yet - but I do have access to this and have heard it helps depression. Apparently it will make me do lots of cleaning - erm and my friend who has it has a dirty house! So that might be good :)

It does, those feels go away pretty quickly though.
 
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I did some speed back in the days, but I've only done it once since I fell ill and just at a low dose. It almost felt like hypomania, which probably doesn't say much for you, and I did feel better for a while. The comedown at higher doses can be quite brutal, though, so be prepared for that.
 
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I only do medical marijuana. Way too much. I shake the next day when I crash. If my resistance gets up, I stop for a few days.
I think a smoke was nice to take time off sometimes, although haven't in ages we got the RSO oil for my Dad when he was sick, the correct stuff knocked us out, was weird but nice feeling. I don't think we have medical marijuana here in uk not accessible perhaps ms patients but that's it, cbd oils are here but soo dear
 
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I think a smoke was nice to take time off sometimes, although haven't in ages we got the RSO oil for my Dad when he was sick, the correct stuff knocked us out, was weird but nice feeling. I don't think we have medical marijuana here in uk not accessible perhaps ms patients but that's it, cbd oils are here but soo dear

There is some high strength weed oil in UK if you have contacts! I don't like weed anymore - it was my best friend for years, but now I don't like the hallucinations I get on it. Saying that, was so depressed last week i contemplated using it again - just have left my vape somewhere!
 
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There is some high strength weed oil in UK if you have contacts! I don't like weed anymore - it was my best friend for years, but now I don't like the hallucinations I get on it. Saying that, was so depressed last week i contemplated using it again - just have left my vape somewhere!
Yes that's the ctb I was vaping you needed loads, the RSO is just pure it was too strong lol, but helped my dad a lot during that illness, I feel it would just make me feel shit atm and want to remain level headed, but yeah was good when used it. :-)
Yes that's the ctb I was vaping you needed loads, the RSO is just pure it was too strong lol, but helped my dad a lot during that illness, I feel it would just make me feel shit atm and want to remain level headed, but yeah was good when used it. :-)
**cbd stupid phone auto correct :-(
 
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Yes that's the ctb I was vaping you needed loads, the RSO is just pure it was too strong lol, but helped my dad a lot during that illness, I feel it would just make me feel shit atm and want to remain level headed, but yeah was good when used it. :-)

**cbd stupid phone auto correct :-(


I thought I had a very very high tolerance - than swim gave me one capsule of Cannabis oil (he takes 3 of them a day) and just one was so strong I passed out for a few hours, then woke up hallucinating. I did not enjoy it - I've given away my second capsule.

I know what you mean about wanting to be level headed. I would give so much to be happy and sober. I am also beginning to prefer even the horrors of depression to being high.
 
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I thought I had a very very high tolerance - than swim gave me one capsule of Cannabis oil (he takes 3 of them a day) and just one was so strong I passed out for a few hours, then woke up hallucinating. I did not enjoy it - I've given away my second capsule.

I know what you mean about wanting to be level headed. I would give so much to be happy and sober. I am also beginning to prefer even the horrors of depression to being high.
And by "level headed" lol I simply mean like before I make that choice, want to be level headed, heads wrecked lol don't think will be level headed in that way but you get what I mean lol, I feel the same about the weed at min deffo don't want to feel high with even more questions to ask myself. Depression is shit I wish could help, it's nice chatting to people going through their own things still reaching out to others,At ease with things atm so just take my meds that's all :)
 
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That's actually brutal. Seems like a lot of drugs just don't agree with you. I don't think I've had a drug that I didn't enjoy, although some are kind of overrated. One that caught my eye though, tried heroin once and didn't like it. That's very common tbh. New users often don't get along with it right away.
 
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And by "level headed" lol I simply mean like before I make that choice, want to be level headed, heads wrecked lol don't think will be level headed in that way but you get what I mean lol, I feel the same about the weed at min deffo don't want to feel high with even more questions to ask myself. Depression is shit I wish could help, it's nice chatting to people going through their own things still reaching out to others,At ease with things atm so just take my meds that's all :)
Also Hope you feel better and have a nice evening it's a shit place to be, hope some warmth and light comes to you ❤️
 
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That's actually brutal. Seems like a lot of drugs just don't agree with you. I don't think I've had a drug that I didn't enjoy, although some are kind of overrated. One that caught my eye though, tried heroin once and didn't like it. That's very common tbh. New users often don't get along with it right away.

Thank you, you made me grin from ear to ear.

All my drug use has been often solo, hallucinating alone. Some of it was really unpleasant. So it's good to talk about it
 
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Thank you. I'm going to pick it up today if I can get myself out the house. I've been taking Lithium Orotate which is microdose Lithium and then today a St John's Wort pill to get me out of bed (which worked), but hopefully by tomorrow I should be okay to test the Tramadol. Then if it helps my depression, do I take it at a low dose every day? I guess I should not get too excited too early.

I know it's not ideal as a long term depression treatment. I am just so lost as to what to try next - because everything seems to involve getting worse before the faint possiblity of getting better.


Also - here is an article which is positive on Ayahuasca and depression. If it would help my depression, I would take it every week!!! https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/ayahuasca-psychedelic-tested-for-depression/

Here's another Ayahuasca story: https://www.webmd.com/depression/news/20191031/can-psychedelic-ayahuasca-help-with-depression

This one is about microdosing Ayahuasca: https://mayahuascaperu.com/ayahuasca-depression/
I take 200mg maxitram each day for back pain (motorbike spill few years ago) it's obs an opioid so there's always that slight euphoric feeling but it's never made me feel sick, but I guess Tolerance has gone up long term use :-/ hope it helps you, just my 2cents
 
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Looking at your list it seems you have tried most of the promising stuff people are using therapeutically for depression/ running clinical trials on. i.e. mushrooms, ketamine, ayahuasca. So I would guess that actually it isn't one of those drugs you need. I use medicinal herbs, like ashwagandha and St. John's wort as long term therapies instead of a day off, although they can work well like that too. Not quite the same as heroin though haha. They can be surprisingly powerful though.

Bearing in mind you already tried all those maybe more drugs/ trips isn't a good way to keep trying?

The non drug long term therapies are often the best ones, like CBT and mindfulness, maybe you tried those already. I've found spiritual practices are the best way to look after my mental health, mindfulness is one of those I do. It does work well for some people.

I'm actually here because of chronic pain because that has f***** me after all these years dealing with the psychological shit. There's really not any good options for that it seems.
 
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Looking at your list it seems you have tried most of the promising stuff people are using therapeutically for depression/ running clinical trials on. i.e. mushrooms, ketamine, ayahuasca. So I would guess that actually it isn't one of those drugs you need. I use medicinal herbs, like ashwagandha and St. John's wort as long term therapies instead of a day off, although they can work well like that too. Not quite the same as heroin though haha. They can be surprisingly powerful though.

Bearing in mind you already tried all those maybe more drugs/ trips isn't a good way to keep trying?

The non drug long term therapies are often the best ones, like CBT and mindfulness, maybe you tried those already. I've found spiritual practices are the best way to look after my mental health, mindfulness is one of those I do. It does work well for some people.

I'm actually here because of chronic pain because that has f***** me after all these years dealing with the psychological shit. There's really not any good options for that it seems.

Exactly what you said - I tried all the stuff they say helps depression....and not for me.

Have you tried Kratom for pain? I have seen great reviews. I tried that too for depression and anxiety - it helps some people a lot. I'm sorry you're suffering with pain.

So far, St John's Wort works better for me than anything else - suicidal thoughts quieter. But I do also feel weird and neurotic on it and also keep planning suicide, so while it's better than nothing, it ain't saving me! I have Ashwaganda but don't feel anything from it. Do I need to give it time to build up? I have just tried it one off/occasionally
 
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I think tramadol will give you a break for a day. If so you'll likely want to stretch that into more days...

Good days will be followed by extra shitty ones, similar to after you took H. Longer you're on it worse it will be coming off it. If I were you I'd think about buying a 2 day supply then take a break + see what happens.
 
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I think tramadol will give you a break for a day. If so you'll likely want to stretch that into more days...

Good days will be followed by extra shitty ones, similar to after you took H. Longer you're on it worse it will be coming off it. If I were you I'd think about buying a 2 day supply then take a break + see what happens.

Thank you - the stuff I didn't like after H was the nausea. Didn't enjoy that at all.

There are people on drugs.com - quite a lot of them - that take daily Tramadol for depression. I have no clue yet if it will work for me or not. I am worried about getting addicted/dependent - but plan to keep it at 50mg, and if tolerance builds, then come off it. I might just try it for a few days, then try my next anti-depressant combo - which is Moclobemide/Selegiline/Memantine - it's been recommended. Next week is kind of my last chance to return to work - I've been off sick for months - but the truth is I'm not better, so I'm hoping a pill is going to be magic. I guess que sera sera
 
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Thank you - the stuff I didn't like after H was the nausea. Didn't enjoy that at all.

There are people on drugs.com - quite a lot of them - that take daily Tramadol for depression. I have no clue yet if it will work for me or not. I am worried about getting addicted/dependent - but plan to keep it at 50mg, and if tolerance builds, then come off it. I might just try it for a few days, then try my next anti-depressant combo - which is Moclobemide/Selegiline/Memantine - it's been recommended. Next week is kind of my last chance to return to work - I've been off sick for months - but the truth is I'm not better, so I'm hoping a pill is going to be magic. I guess que sera sera

Theoretically the problem of "treating" depression with tramadol is it depresses the Central Nervous System. In the long run those drugs generally make depression worse and screw up biochemistry. I could see it being a crutch to get through tough times, just don't forget the downside. Am not familiar with the other drug combo moclobemide is not used in the US
 
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Thank you, you made me grin from ear to ear.

All my drug use has been often solo, hallucinating alone. Some of it was really unpleasant. So it's good to talk about it
If possible look into a sitter perhaps? But yeah headspace and such will affect how you feel
 
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Exactly what you said - I tried all the stuff they say helps depression....and not for me.
Have you tried Kratom for pain? I have seen great reviews. I tried that too for depression and anxiety - it helps some people a lot. I'm sorry you're suffering with pain.
So far, St John's Wort works better for me than anything else - suicidal thoughts quieter. But I do also feel weird and neurotic on it and also keep planning suicide, so while it's better than nothing, it ain't saving me! I have Ashwaganda but don't feel anything from it. Do I need to give it time to build up? I have just tried it one off/occasionally

I did try kratom, and it didn't work. I felt kind of nice the first time at the start, and then I just felt sick or was it a headache or something. It wasn't good anyways. I tried maybe 60 herbs over 2 years to do something about the pain, because the drugs did not work. I did succeed in making myself feel very relaxed though, and they did effect mood as well. I sleep very well now with them.

Anyway. You can combine herbs together for greater power to get synergy.

Ashwagandha you probably need to take 2-4 times what it says on the label, if your not feeling anything that might be why. It is a strong anxiolytic and can make you feel uplifted. There is a type called KSM66 which is quite good although the traditional root powder is good as well. Should feel effects the same day.

Another one that is nice is holy basil, that gets anxiety and depression quite a bit. Again might need to take more than on the label if you don't feel anything the same day.

Herbs are interesting. You could go to /r/herbalism for more info, links, advice etc maybe.

@Sensei has made a thread on them as well.
 
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