Anti psychotics

[Vivian]

Just out of curiosity, are there any studies anyone could link me to about the effectiveness of anti psychotics? I remember reading about it but I don't remember where.

 

[EddieAllenPoe]

I haven't seen any studies but I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to look. I just wanted to chime in and say I can testify to them being useful in my own life. The funny thing about drug studies though is they're always questionable. Did you know they've shown in large scale studies that people can not tell the difference between a placebo and acetaminophen? They have. I'm not going to look up the study but it's out there. I also remember reading in a psychology textbook one time how people even tend to rate headache medicine as "stronger" when it is gel-capped and has a certain color. It can be the exact same substance and people still report their results differently. I still take headache medicine when I have a headache. It seems to help. I'm not saying antipsychotics are fake. I just find all these so called "studies" as funny. It seems like you can prove almost anything if you have a large enough data set.

 

[Vivian]

I mean, I am not having delusions which is a good thing. But I am having a lot of anxious thoughts. I don't know whether that's the medication or my own mindset willing myself not to be in the state of mind I was in when I had delusions.


What you pointed out about the studies is really interesting. I guess I'd better take any study I see with a grain of salt then.

 

[EddieAllenPoe]

I mean, I am not having delusions which is a good thing. But I am having a lot of anxious thoughts. I don't know whether that's the medication or my own mindset willing myself not to be in the state of mind I was in when I had delusions.


What you pointed out about the studies is really interesting. I guess I'd better take any study I see with a grain of salt then.

Yeah, don't be fooled by the name. Being given them doesn't mean you're psychotic or have delusions. The brain is a funny organ. I don't think anyone completely knows how it all works. These medications can have other off the label uses... Like anxiety. Seroquel is commonly prescribed for anxiety. It can be hard to tell when something is working. I had to have an extreme bout of mania that lasted for months to know the difference. The reason I know it works for me is that I could look back on my thoughts and behavior and I just knew after taking the medicine that something had been wrong. It wasn't fun to go through because I actually went for years being somewhat normal. I used to avoid all medication because, honestly, it often was the opposite of helpful. I always had some symptoms of bipolar disorder but I never thought it was a big deal. I guess I had to go completely off the rails to see how a medicine worked.

 

[Vivian]

I'm glad that bipolar medication worked for you. However, I question the ethics of giving medication that may or may not work.

 

[EddieAllenPoe]

I'm glad that bipolar medication worked for you. However, I question the ethics of giving medication that may or may not work.

I definitely hear you there. I'm just glad somebody knew what the fuck they were doing this last time. I was in a situation where I didn't even know something was wrong. It was embarassing. But you have good reason to be skeptical. I've been burned a few times by bad psychiatrists.

 

[Vivian]

In my case, taking the medicine definitely helped. But I don't know how long it's going to help. For some reason, some medicines stop working on patients for no reason at all, other than the fact their body can't tolerate it anymore. I really don't want to get to that point and shop for a new medication. These chemicals are bad for my body and I refuse to treat myself as I am a machine.

 

[Divine Trinity]

I haven't seen any studies but I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to look. I just wanted to chime in and say I can testify to them being useful in my own life. The funny thing about drug studies though is they're always questionable. Did you know they've shown in large scale studies that people can not tell the difference between a placebo and acetaminophen? They have. I'm not going to look up the study but it's out there. I also remember reading in a psychology textbook one time how people even tend to rate headache medicine as "stronger" when it is gel-capped and has a certain color. It can be the exact same substance and people still report their results differently. I still take headache medicine when I have a headache. It seems to help. I'm not saying antipsychotics are fake. I just find all these so called "studies" as funny. It seems like you can prove almost anything if you have a large enough data set.

Not if you're a professional that's familiar with research and statistical methods, they'll know when someone fudges data. Of course corruption and conflict in interest is a thing so you'd need some context.

Yeah, don't be fooled by the name. Being given them doesn't mean you're psychotic or have delusions. The brain is a funny organ. I don't think anyone completely knows how it all works. These medications can have other off the label uses... Like anxiety. Seroquel is commonly prescribed for anxiety. It can be hard to tell when something is working. I had to have an extreme bout of mania that lasted for months to know the difference. The reason I know it works for me is that I could look back on my thoughts and behavior and I just knew after taking the medicine that something had been wrong. It wasn't fun to go through because I actually went for years being somewhat normal. I used to avoid all medication because, honestly, it often was the opposite of helpful. I always had some symptoms of bipolar disorder but I never thought it was a big deal. I guess I had to go completely off the rails to see how a medicine worked.

Correction, nobody has a clue how it works. Just like there's a map of all DNA in humans yet we don't have a clue about it either. Nobody has a clue how these psychiatric actually effect the brain either, it's literal mass human experimentation.

I wonder if there's a correlation between psychiatric drug use and wealth. I'd bet families with $75k - $300k or so, have the highest usage. Individually, white single females making $35k - $70k between 20-40.

I don't know as much about antipsychotics or scizophrenia, than depression or anxiety, although my interest was peaked after hearing homeless people talking to themselves and their interactions with people in public. Side effects appear to be more bothersome/severe, i don't have a clue why the drugs affect metabolic function (ie make you fat).

Effectiveness of antipsychotics: Is the CATIE trial a tsunami?

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

and:

How Effective Are Antipsychotics in Treating Schizophrenia? | HealthyPlace

Overview of schizophrenia and atypical antipsychotics used in the treatment of schizophrenia.

www.healthyplace.com

To note: These aren't really measuring effectiveness because there's no placebo. It's like measuring several object's speed without taking to account that they're on top of a moving car, logic-wise.

 

[Vivian]

I read this, it just confirmed what I already knew in my mind. The medication isn't what's working, my mindset is what's doing all the work. I'm not going to get off them bc I need them to commit suicide. I have a question to ask you in private, may I ask you?

Antipsychotic Medications and the Brain

BACKGROUND PAPER June 2016 Click here for a PDF of this backgrounder complete with references SUMMARY Changes in brain structure are caused both by the

www.treatmentadvocacycenter.org

 

[JadedGray]

I've been on Seroquel before for anxiety and it just made me more psychotic and I had horrible sleep paralysis on it. After that I never took it again. It was one of the most terrifying experiences I ever had.

 

[Woolfy]

I hear zyprexa works real good for anxiety. I'm on Seroquel which helps with the racing thoughts and some anxiety. It's kind of just different for everyone as far as what works best. I'd love to give some haldol or thorazine a try though

 

[Chalken]

I'm on Aripiprazole (Abilify) and they don't do shit, but give me intense suicidal thoughts.

 

[BridgeJumper]

Ive gone through many of them. They never helped in the slightest. Best case scenario didnt do anything at all to me, like Ive just swallowed a sugar pills, at worst they gave me horrible side effects.
My illness kinda dissipated over time, but owing to developing coping skills, not useless pills.

 

[RememberWhatUCameFor]

cant they cause parkinson etc in the long run?

 

[NOT]

Correction, nobody has a clue how it works. Just like there's a map of all DNA in humans yet we don't have a clue about it either. Nobody has a clue how these psychiatric actually effect the brain either, it's literal mass human experimentation.