Discussion Anyone scared that God actually exist, that you've been fooled all along, and that you will suffer and burn in hell for all of eternity.

[mrpeter]

I know religion isn't logical, but the fact that there are no answers about where the universe came from is scary. We don't know for sure if God exist or not and if he exists that motherfucker doesn't want to tell us, but he expects us to believe him and if you don't believe in him, he will punish you.

Not knowing whether God exist or not is scary, since even if I am a good christian, I have to believe and love him in order to not burn in hell.
Why punish people for not believing you exist, if you don't want to tell us? It's like you don't want people to believe you exist.

If God exists, I'm convinced he made us all for his entertainment and that he enjoys watching us suffer.
And where did God come from, he couldn't have just created himself.

One thing that also drives me insane, is the fact that bad things happen and people do bad things and the "God gave us free will" excuse, I don't buy. Humans were all made a certain way, and have a desire to do good and bad. Most human beings can feel sympathy for other people, which proves all humans were made a certain way. It also mentioned "God made us in his image", which makes me believe that every bad person in the world was intentionally made that way. God literally made Hitler in his image and knew that he would commit mass genocide like he wanted it to happen.

Every human in the world has a desire to sin, whether it's hatred, lust, jealousy or lying. If someone burns down your house, and kills your entire family, if you hate that person you will burn in hell and suffer for it.

If God created us then were all slaves everything we do is predetermined and were all robots, he programmed us. No one has free will. None of us have any freedom.
Honestly even if I knew God to exist, I literally cannot love this guy, he caused all the suffering in the world, and created us so he could watch us suffer and laugh at us, and if you don't like that you will burn in hell and suffer for the rest of your fucking life.

Now if I was a normal person I'd fully deny the possibility of God existing, because there's no way that we were all created by some magical fantasy creature, who literally no one in the world has seen.
But then how the FUCK do we exist? Who created us? Why do we exist? Literally nothing in the world can prove how we came, neither evolution or the big bang.

I have spent hours looking for proof God exist online, and I have talked to christians before about my doubts, and can't find a single argument that are is even slightly convincing that God exist, other than the fact that we had to have come from somewhere. One argument people make which is extremely retarded is "objective morality", and that God made us understand right from wrong, even though people STILL commit violent crimes.

I could only believe in God, if I was insanely stupid, maybe after failing a suicide attempt, I could get severe brain damage, and be stupid enough to believe God exist, and then maybe if he ACTUALLY EXISTS, I won't have to burn in hell for all eternity

 

[-nobodyknows-]

I believe in God, but I'm not concerned about the afterlife too much. Whatever happens happens. I simply hope for the best

 

[Pluto]

 

[Just_Another_Person]

I'm agnostic, I'm inclined to believe God exists but I don't believe in afterlife.

About the burn in hell for all eternity, if you mean because of suicide I made a post related to it in another thread, I'm gonna copy paste bellow.

Ok, so I was wondering how is the exact religious view about it and to my surprise they are generally "gentle" (except one ) as in you won't be automatically going to hell if you commit suicide.

Catholic & Lutheran (Protestant?) Church: you can still be "saved" and go to Heaven, the chance is higher if you have depression or similar mental health... issues? Anyway, it will depend on the circumstances.

Judaism: your situation may not be very good but you can still be "saved". Depression and similar are also taken into account.

Islam: well... you probably gonna go to Hell and there you will be tortured forever by the method you used to kill yourself (makes me wonder how that would work in case of N, SN and other peaceful methods). But there is the chance that Allah/God forgive you and you can enter paradise.

I'm not saying "go commit suicide, you will go to Heaven", I'm just citing that could not be a instant condemnation.

I only put Abrahamic religions because these are the ones I have some knowledge and can interpret "correctly". Also because the afterlife in these is similar. Also because took a lot of time to properly get the answers . There are ofc other religions and you can have your own beliefs (or not belief in anything).

 

[mrpeter]

I'm agnostic, I'm inclined to believe God exists but I don't believe in afterlife.

About the burn in hell for all eternity, if you mean because of suicide I made a post related to it in another thread, I'm gonna copy paste bellow.

I've heard about this, even if i can get "saved" that will probably never happen, since I don't believe in God, or love him, and I can't really force myself to, becoming christian with the intent to commit suicide is probably a sin.

 

[Just_Another_Person]

I've heard about this, even if i can get "saved" that will probably never happen, since I don't believe in God, or love him, and I can't really force myself to, becoming christian with the intent to commit suicide is probably a sin.

According to the Catholic pope, atheists can go to Heaven

 

[weirdoldguy]

No, I don't believe there is a 'god'.

I do believe that humans are created, we suffer from the human condition which is contradictory in all accounts, and from an early age we build up belief systems in religion/school.

This causes something simple that most religious people fall back towards, a pre-built belief system that they fall back on when something doesn't compute towards it. Making denial easy, this is called cognitive dissonance and it affects most humans. Speaking purely from an advantageous angle which involves self growth, cognitive dissonance isn't helpful in the least bit. It leads to denial, avoiding conversations, and avoiding knowledge with growth.

Humans seem to be created in line with being made to fear things due to instincts which allow us to live longer because if we're afraid of things we'll avoid them, such as caves or the ocean. We're also built with cognitive dissonance in mind since that can reject most of reality; this happens in the scientific community a lot and change doesn't occur there unless it's a new generation of scientists unfortunately.

Whoever made humans had something in mind with our natural precepts of the world and how we deal with problems, this natural inclination is abused modernly by technology and authority; this can be a reflection of whatever there is beyond this earthly life. If we're beings made by some god he's not benevolent but sadistic and abusive.

 

[ijustwishtodie]

No, religion and god are obviously man made concepts than something that actually exist in reality

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

I think if God exists and he's really as all-knowing and all-powerful as he is known to be, then he's a fucking moron IF the afterlife is not designed exactly the way it is at the end of The Good Place. And if that's the case then there's literally nothing to worry about.

Otherwise there's probably just nothing that happens after death, the atheist's dream.

But then again as an agnostic, I can't outright deny the possibility of being forced to exist as a ghost or something. That would suck.

 

[covwillgo]

god is likely uninvolved and were some sort of meaningless experiment fueled by brain chemicals and "genetics". god is there, but hell is a foolish illogical scarecrow for normie robots

 

[BoulderSoWhat]

Which gods or goddesses? Are you going to believe in all of them, "just to be safe?" Then you're fucked if the egotistical deities exist that want you to have no other gods or goddesses "before them." And if you do decide to believe in all of them anyway, if you've ever killed an insect, you're also fucked...

"Andhakupa (well with its mouth hidden): It is the hell where a person who harms others with the intention of malice and harms insects is confined. He is attacked by birds, mammals, reptiles, mosquitoes, lice, worms, flies and others, who deprive him of rest and compel him to run hither and thither."

Naraka - Wikipedia

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[alienfreak]

I don't worry about a god punishing me for my actions, because I have absolutely no way to know what god would want me to do.

I don't understand reality at all. Nobody understands consciousness or how it can form. Logically it makes no sense that something could be created from nothing, so I think there was always something. I think we don't even understand the concept of time. I have no reason to believe in Christianity in particular as compared to all the other thousands of religions and possible spiritual realities. It's just as likely to me that I could be rewarded for having the courage to reject society and kill myself.

 

[nux_walpurgis]

I dread the thought that I may commit suicide to escape the hell I live in, only to end up in a LITERAL hell.
Fuck that shit, and if there is a God that allows such a thing, fuck him too

 

[Forever Sleep]

If God exists, then I'm terrified and yes, I'm scared it's possible. It seems equally improbable too though. I just wish I could be a better atheist.

 

[permanently tired]

I'm so tired of living, I'd skip reincarnation to burn in hell cuz I can't do this shit again

 

[foreverfalling]

Just flip it around. God is just another trap made to fool you and whatever created life wants to see if you'll fall for it or not.

 

[uniqueusername4]

Honestly, no. Not at all. I grew up surrounded by religion, but never believed myself. It seemed too obviously about control and there was so much bad that came with it, like wars and excuses for otherism. No offense to anyone, I support people having their own beliefs, but personally I don't think it is real.

 

[escape_from_hell]

I share your fears to some extent.

But at this point, I just accept I stand NO CHANCE to decipher the truth, to know what to believe. It seems hell is destined. What if you believe in a slightly wrong version. What is the point. Isn't it a torturous game from the start, see if you can pick all the correct choices at every possible junction to make a choice (god or not, that's how the process of life works).

 

[pandorasactor]

If I happen to meet God, I'm going to ask him why he put sad chemicals in my brain :(

 

[NoPoint280491]

I believe in God which makes CTB even harder but I've had so many questions for so long like why give me free will... why create me at all just to glorify You? Surely You knew I would make poor decisions and end up hating myself. Why give me the choice to believe in You but to sin so I feel condemned because I can't truly love You if I question everything and no longer see life as a gift. I wish I was atheist as then none of this would matter and I could CTB more freely

 

[untothedepths]

if gods real he made humanity to feel better about himself. yet the only way he knows how to receive attention is through coercion and abuse. and when he doesnt get that you go to hell. but he must enjoy sending his disobedient creation to hell, because he made us that way. so either way, he gets what he wants.

in other words its not a god worth believing in.

 

[mrpeter]

if gods real he made humanity to feel better about himself. yet the only way he knows how to receive attention is through coercion and abuse. and when he doesnt get that you go to hell. but he must enjoy sending his disobedient creation to hell, because he made us that way. so either way, he gets what he wants.

in other words its not a god worth believing in.

God could exist but just be evil

 

[Sprite_Geist]

In the far-off past I was fearful of a god existing, and the wrath that he/she/it could bring on me for committing suicide, but not anymore. After being alive for so long I have experienced more than enough abuse and mistreatment; as well as the many people in the world who have experienced far, far worse than me...

...where is god?

This made me think that any omnipotent being that potentially exists - religious or otherwise - does not work to help us. God must be indifferent to human issues such as suffering; god must be indifferent to everything. If it does not care enough to help then it should not care enough to punish either; especially if we are assuming that it was a higher power who created this awe-inspiring, but strange sandbox we call "life" in the first place. We had no choice about whether or not to play this game, so we should have the choice to leave.

 

[AAE]

I've heard about this, even if i can get "saved" that will probably never happen, since I don't believe in God, or love him, and I can't really force myself to, becoming christian with the intent to commit suicide is probably a sin.

What you're talking about in the first post and this one, is how self-entitled heaven goers judge others. Jesus said "the last shall come first". Search within for what you believe and not for what indoctrinated people think, who judge everything and everyone as if they're perfect themselves. There are no "good" or "bad" christians. Jesus didn't even tell people to call themselves christians. He called people hypocrites who judge others without first looking at themselves.

As for the origins of the universe, meaning of life/existence etc, we are too primitive to comprehend such things, no matter what scientists say. I choose to believe that eternity/infinity is as simple as taking away time and only be in the present. Pretty much the way animals still live.

According to the Catholic pope, atheists can go to Heaven

Who is the pope to talk about that? He's no closer to Heaven than any other human. Jesus said "the last shall come first". He also said: "Nobody on earth shall you call father, for you only have one father and he is in Heaven." Now what do catholics call their priests? :)

 

[Innereye]

Look in the munchausen's trilemma. Worrying about the possibility of something that exists outside logic Is pointless because it could be anything at that point. It's a zero-sum game so worry about what's perceivable.

 

[hawkoflight]

Who knows. I personally find reincarnation comforting, but I also find the idea of nothing being after this just as comforting.
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[leloyon]

To an extent, but there's so many different religions that who am I to say which one is correct? Whatever happens to me when I die, happens. Nothing I can realistically do about it.

 

[nux_walpurgis]

Yes and this is one of the things that scare me off cbt. What if I die and instead of finding relief I end up in some hell burning forever?

 

[star.trip]

I don't really know what to think. Sometimes I think it exists and sometimes it seems like there is nothing. Sometimes there's like a thread that binds things or people together. Every day there 're many interactions with others and I suppose that depending on the personality or conscience of each one acts in one way or another. The fear I have is that when I die I will have to give an account of everything I have done in my life and when I am asked, "What have you done during your life? I will not know how to answer or answer what I was not able to do.

 

[Just_Another_Person]

What you're talking about in the first post and this one, is how self-entitled heaven goers judge others. Jesus said "the last shall come first". Search within for what you believe and not for what indoctrinated people think, who judge everything and everyone as if they're perfect themselves. There are no "good" or "bad" christians. Jesus didn't even tell people to call themselves christians. He called people hypocrites who judge others without first looking at themselves.

As for the origins of the universe, meaning of life/existence etc, we are too primitive to comprehend such things, no matter what scientists say. I choose to believe that eternity/infinity is as simple as taking away time and only be in the present. Pretty much the way animals still live.


Who is the pope to talk about that? He's no closer to Heaven than any other human. Jesus said "the last shall come first". He also said: "Nobody on earth shall you call father, for you only have one father and he is in Heaven." Now what do catholics call their priests? :)

My answer was to reassure the person, Idk why the hell you going all anti-catholic/anti-christian over me, specially since I am neither. I just cited that because I saw on the news, if it was an Orthodox/Jewish/Buddhist leader I would do the same.