Help Are Antiemetics really necessary with SN?

[Plato'sCaveDweller]

I'm going to be buying SN from DMC pretty soon, but my only issue is I might not be able to get Meto. I was pointed toward an online pharmacy that ships Meto without a prescription, but I have no clue if I'm gonna get scammed or not, or if it'll even make it through customs as it's from India. And I'm not sure if I'll be able to successfully lie to my doc to get some if the online pharmacy route doesn't work out. So I'm left wondering if it is possible to pull this off without an AE. Is it possible?

I apologize for asking this again, but my first post got buried and I got no responses, so I'm making this post at a better peak time. I could honestly use some answers asap, as it won't be long before I place my SN order. I don't yet have the search function on this site, so I can't exactly go searching for answers to this question (i've already searched through a chunk of the SN megathread, to no avail).

 

[opheliaoveragain]

IMO, yes absolutely still possible. The meds mentioned are not necessary to success, they just help ease side affects. Most people puke (p much all) with or without AE's - I think the true difference in success versus failure in this scenario is being able to physically get down a second and third glass, even if you puke all three times, the build up will be enough, in theory.

 

[Yarani]

It seems to have happened several times, but noone will be able to foresee your individual situation.

Here are the documented cases. Judge for yourself.

SN Successful and Unsuccessful cases 2023 update

I have combined and added all the brief summary of all the attempts, assumed successful and unsuccessful, of SN suicide. These are all posts that the member has made to document the method, news articles, and scientific articles. If I have missed any I apologise and it would be great if you can...

sanctioned-suicide.net

 

[Plato'sCaveDweller]

IMO, yes absolutely still possible. The meds mentioned are not necessary to success, they just help ease side affects. Most people puke (p much all) with or without AE's - I think the true difference in success versus failure in this scenario is being able to physically get down a second and third glass, even if you puke all three times, the build up will be enough.

This was my thinking too. People puke even with a 48hr AE regimen, and all sort of other extra meds. And the main point of consuming 25g of SN instead of the lethal dose of 1-3g is so that your body is flooded with SN before it can vomit it all out. And I was thinking that with a second and third glass, I'd most certainly manage to get enough in me.

I will wait for more answers though. Thank you for responding!

 

[d3ad]

I will also use it without Meto. It will work for me, I am very confident.

 

[opheliaoveragain]

This was my thinking too. People puke even with a 48hr AE regimen, and all sort of other extra meds. And the main point of consuming 25g of SN instead of the lethal dose of 1-3g is so that your body is flooded with SN before it can vomit it all out. And I was thinking that with a second and third glass, I'd most certainly manage to get enough in me.

I will wait for more answers though. Thank you for responding!

I think you're spot on. I can't think of a case where someone didn't puke if they were recording the affects. It all comes down to build up in the blood.

 

[Plato'sCaveDweller]

I will also use it without Meto. It will work for me, I am very confident.

I hope all goes well with your attempt. I wish I was as confident, though perhaps some hesitation in this case is a good thing.

 

[d3ad]

I hope all goes well with your attempt. I wish I was as confident, though perhaps some hesitation in this case is a good thing.

Thank you. I hope you will also find peace some day.

 

[Plato'sCaveDweller]

It seems to have happened several times, but noone will be able to foresee your individual situation.

Here are the documented cases. Judge for yourself.

SN Successful and Unsuccessful cases 2023 update

I have combined and added all the brief summary of all the attempts, assumed successful and unsuccessful, of SN suicide. These are all posts that the member has made to document the method, news articles, and scientific articles. If I have missed any I apologise and it would be great if you can...

sanctioned-suicide.net

so it seems at first glance that it can work just fine, as long as you aren't found early. thank you for sharing this post. very helpful and a slight confidence boost.

Thank you. I hope you will also find peace some day.

i'm going on my second year of actively trying, so I hope so too. I'm hoping SN will help me finally succeed, since I didn't have the constitution to follow through with hanging of either form. Fuck knows I tried to make it work, and it took me a long time to accept the fact that the method isn't for me.

 

[peacesky]

People who take SN almost always vomit, but I wonder if taking AEs lessens the nausea.

 

[Plato'sCaveDweller]

People who take SN almost always vomit, but I wonder if AEs lessen the feeling of nausea.

from what I understand, on top of reducing nausea (though not by much in the case of SN, it seems) it also speeds up gastric emptying, thus reducing the amount of nitric oxide created by your stomach acid interacting with the nitrite since it spends less time in your stomach. but apparently, nitric oxide also has a blood pressure lowering effect, and thus may speed up unconsciousness. so having no AE may mean you spend less time awake and bearing the discomfort of the SN. this is also a consideration when choosing whether to use an antacid or not, since less stomach acid means less nitric oxide, but it also means more SN enters your small intestine (although, with a 25g dose, I don't think you have to worry about the amount lowering too much. and when you throw up you'll take another glass anyways so it's not an issue imo).

 

[maynoname]

IMO, yes absolutely still possible. The meds mentioned are not necessary to success, they just help ease side affects. Most people puke (p much all) with or without AE's - I think the true difference in success versus failure in this scenario is being able to physically get down a second and third glass, even if you puke all three times, the build up will be enough, in theory.

Three glasses? For me it's two 25g glasses?

 

[Aprilfarewell4]

The only thing necessary is the SN.

 

[rozeske]

No AE doesn't mean automatic failure. That is where second cup helps. It's best to have it and give yourself the best chance but vomiting doesn't always remove everything ingested, even when it happens immediately. There are a lot of medical reports of sn poisoning out there, some of the results indicate no antiemetic was used, some even report no AE and no sign of vomit.

 

[opheliaoveragain]

Three glasses? For me it's two 25g glasses?

Two is fine by all the threads I have read. SOME people make a third just to be sure. Doesn't mean it's needed, the protocols usually say prepare 2.

 

[Amarajoy]

Did you ever come to a decision about this? I'm leaning towards sn as my chosen method but there is no way I could do the regiment called for with the medications. Also, with my health history meto is pretty much a no go. Even a stat dose I don't feel particularly comfortable with. I just won't be able to do all the drugs that can make it more comfortable but I just really don't want to fail.

 

[Plato'sCaveDweller]

Did you ever come to a decision about this? I'm leaning towards sn as my chosen method but there is no way I could do the regiment called for with the medications. Also, with my health history meto is pretty much a no go. Even a stat dose I don't feel particularly comfortable with. I just won't be able to do all the drugs that can make it more comfortable but I just really don't want to fail.

I did. I ended up finding a pharmacy for Meto, and I've got it now; better safe than sorry, especially with something like CTBing. I want to make sure I have the best chance of success, since I've only got one shot at this with SN.

I do share your concerns regarding Meto, since it can cause some pretty nasty adverse reactions. But I'm betting on it being okay for me, since those reactions tend to be very rare and usually only with long-term use. Why don't you want to use Meto? Did you have a bad reaction to it in the past? Or would it be risky to use given your current health?

It's worth noting that it seems that you can still pull it off without an AE. But you're probably less likely to succeed, given the antiemetic's function in the protocol (not to prevent vomiting, but rather speed up gastric emptying to facilitate faster absorption and allow less time to vomit it all up).

 

[hopelesswanderer]

I get that meto helps with the gastric emptying, but would a longer fast have the same effect? I too am struggling to source the complementary drugs necessary to pull this off

 

[Plato'sCaveDweller]

I get that meto helps with the gastric emptying, but would a longer fast have the same effect? I too am struggling to source the complementary drugs necessary to pull this off

No, that may even slow down your gastric emptying speed. A longer fast also may increase your chances of vomiting too quickly (according to info I read somewhere on the forum).

8 hours minimum, and probably no more than 24 is recommended.

 

[hopelesswanderer]

Ah, that's very good to know. Thank you for educating me on this. :)

 

[suffering_mo]

@Plato'sCaveDweller @Asleepatlast

I'm more concerned about the side effects. There has been long term implications for people with even one dose of this, though rare. There's even a blackbox warning. But I am very sensitive and have adverse reactions and am medically harmed. I have domperidone but it also scares me, especially in a high dose. Like, what if I fail and end up with tardive dyskinesia, etc on top of everything? Also, what about SI? Until you drink that SN, you may not be able to go through with it. I'm hoping to overcome that and not get that far when the time comes but it's still a real possibility.

 

[Plato'sCaveDweller]

@Plato'sCaveDweller @Asleepatlast

I'm more concerned about the side effects. There has been long term implications for people with even one dose of this, though rare. There's even a blackbox warning. But I am very sensitive and have adverse reactions and am medically harmed. I have domperidone but it also scares me, especially in a high dose. Like, what if I fail and end up with tardive dyskinesia, etc on top of everything? Also, what about SI? Until you drink that SN, you may not be able to go through with it. I'm hoping to overcome that and not get that far when the time comes but it's still a real possibility.

These are all completely fair concerns. There's really no way to tell how it'll affect you until it happens. Some people do a test dose before the actual event, but I'm not gonna do one simply because I wouldn't be able to explain why I have Meto to doctors if I end up in the hospital due to an adverse reaction. So I have to bet on it not adversely affecting me.

Domperidone is better than Meto, if you're worried about TD. It has a much lower incidence rate of causing extrapyramidal symptoms. It also has less risk of causing cardiovascular events. Though, it's not without its own share of possible side effects. You're lucky to have Dom. I would've gotten it if I knew it could be snuck through customs, but I went with Meto since it's FDA approved and Dom is not.

 

[BlackEyedDog]

I wish i could get some Domperidone but don't know of any reliable online pharmacies that will make it through US customs.
Please pm me if you have any suggestions!

Else I'm considering SN without any AE, just taking a higher dose of Quetiapine the day of, and use Clonazepam for benzo.

 

[Amarajoy]

so it seems at first glance that it can work just fine, as long as you aren't found early. thank you for sharing this post. very helpful and a slight confidence boost.

i'm going on my second year of actively trying, so I hope so too. I'm hoping SN will help me finally succeed, since I didn't have the constitution to follow through with hanging of either form. Fuck knows I tried to make it work, and it took me a long time to accept the fact that the method isn't for me.

If you don't mind sharing what you think went wrong with hanging? I'm deciding between this and sn. Only if you want to of course.

 

[Plato'sCaveDweller]

If you don't mind sharing what you think went wrong with hanging? I'm deciding between this and sn. Only if you want to of course.

It's no bother!

It was SI, primarily. With partial, I'd usually be able to easily occlude my arteries, and I'd endure all the symptoms like: lightheadedness, weightlessness, heavy feeling in my chest, tingling in my arms and hands, mild-medium convulsions of the extremities, tingling in my lips, staticy/blurry vision and sometimes tunnel vision, distorted hearing. And just as I would be about to pass out, I'd simply stand up or release a bit of pressure. When I switched to full, the closest I ever got was standing on my stool with the noose pretightened around my neck, all ready to go. I simply needed to step off the stool or kick it over, but I could never conjure up the balls to do it. I had 10 earnest attempts with partial, and countless ones where I couldn't even get myself to try. With full, I had maybe about a dozen or more "attempts" (though I don't count these as real attempts, since I didn't actually try anything).

Eventually, I came to realize that the method just wasn't for me. It took a long ass time for me to finally admit to myself that I didn't have the required balls to do it, nor am I desperate enough to try hard enough to make it work. I simply need an easier way out, and SN is the closest thing I or anyone can get to Nembutal.

 

[Amarajoy]

It's no bother!

It was SI, primarily. With partial, I'd usually be able to easily occlude my arteries, and I'd endure all the symptoms like: lightheadedness, weightlessness, heavy feeling in my chest, tingling in my arms and hands, mild-medium convulsions of the extremities, tingling in my lips, staticy/blurry vision and sometimes tunnel vision, distorted hearing. And just as I would be about to pass out, I'd simply stand up or release a bit of pressure. When I switched to full, the closest I ever got was standing on my stool with the noose pretightened around my neck, all ready to go. I simply needed to step off the stool or kick it over, but I could never conjure up the balls to do it. I had 10 earnest attempts with partial, and countless ones where I couldn't even get myself to try. With full, I had maybe about a dozen or more "attempts" (though I don't count these as real attempts, since I didn't actually try anything).

Eventually, I came to realize that the method just wasn't for me. It took a long ass time for me to finally admit to myself that I didn't have the required balls to do it, nor am I desperate enough to try hard enough to make it work. I simply need an easier way out, and SN is the closest thing I or anyone can get to Nembutal.

Thank you so much for sharing. It's definitely no easy feat. When you say you stood up you did that on your own, like consciously?

 

[Plato'sCaveDweller]

Thank you so much for sharing. It's definitely no easy feat.

Sure thing! And it really isn't. I truly admire those who can pull off hanging.

When you say you stood up you did that on your own, like consciously?

No. That's why I attribute it to SI. The lizard part of my brain would just have me back out whenever I'd get close; I wasn't thinking about backing out, it'd just happen. Or I'd be close to passing out but it went on longer than 15 seconds, and I'd realize it's because I started lifting some of the pressure off.

 

[Amarajoy]

Sure thing! And it really isn't. I truly admire those who can pull off hanging.

No. That's why I attribute it to SI. The lizard part of my brain would just have me back out whenever I'd get close; I wasn't thinking about backing out, it'd just happen. Or I'd be close to passing out but it went on longer than 15 seconds, and I'd realize it's because I started lifting some of the pressure off.

That's the concerning part.

I've never thought ctb cowardly. I know it takes a lot to pull this stuff off. Our bodies are designed to live even in the most horrendous experiences.

Ironically, my illness is making this much harder because I've experienced extreme physical distress for several years. I have actual PTSD from it so I have to fight against that to attempt any of this. Just the thought of some of these symptoms triggers PTSD symptoms. I've experienced all of them regularly for several years. It hasn't made it easier for me to handle them. It's made it harder.