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SchizoGymnast

SchizoGymnast

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May 28, 2024
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Good evening, my lovelies!

As you all know, I am SchizoGymnast and I am a hoarder. I've been a hoarder my whole life. My mom is a hoarder as well. I am in active recovery.

Lots of people have misconceptions about hoarders. Lots of people harbor stigma. Still others harbor pity. And I want to shed light on all those things.

So ask me, a hoarder, anything you want. Anything you were afraid to ask.

But please, do be kind. Thank you!
 
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Good evening, my lovelies!

As you all know, I am SchizoGymnast and I am a hoarder. I've been a hoarder my whole life. My mom is a hoarder as well. I am in active recovery.

Lots of people have misconceptions about hoarders. Lots of people harbor stigma. Still others harbor pity. And I want to shed light on all those things.

So ask me, a hoarder, anything you want. Anything you were afraid to ask.

But please, do be kind. Thank you!

Hi there.
I've never actually though about this.
But I'll ask something anyway.

Since you are in recovery, I guess it caused you strong distress? And what do you usually hoard? If it's okay to ask.
 
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SchizoGymnast

SchizoGymnast

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May 28, 2024
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Hi there.
I've never actually though about this.
But I'll ask something anyway.

Since you are in recovery, I guess it caused you strong distress? And what do you usually hoard? If it's okay to ask.
There are no taboo questions here.

Yes, it did cause me strong distress, but it took me awhile to admit it. We're attached to our hoards, just like drug users are attached to being high. But eventually...you're tripping over everything, your landlord is pissed off, it smells bad, and you can't find anything you need. So you admit defeat.

I have found that what I hoard has changed over the course of my life. When I was a kid, I hoarded newspapers and handwritten notes. These days, I can't wait to get rid of those things. These days, I hoard books, art supplies, religious relics, dolls, music boxes, and...cleaning supplies. Believe it or not.
 
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There are no taboo questions here.

Yes, it did cause me strong distress, but it took me awhile to admit it. We're attached to our hoards, just like drug users are attached to being high. But eventually...you're tripping over everything, your landlord is pissed off, it smells bad, and you can't find anything you need. So you admit defeat.

I have found that what I hoard has changed over the course of my life. When I was a kid, I hoarded newspapers and handwritten notes. These days, I can't wait to get rid of those things. These days, I hoard books, art supplies, religious relics, dolls, music boxes, and...cleaning supplies. Believe it or not.
And where do you get those things from? They like accumulate naturally and you are just unwilling to throw them away/get attached to them? Or you specifically look for something more to get?
And are those things determined at this time (like a list that you've just written) or it can expand gradually to other things even now, after the childhood?
 
SchizoGymnast

SchizoGymnast

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May 28, 2024
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And where do you get those things from? They like accumulate naturally and you are just unwilling to throw them away/get attached to them? Or you specifically look for something more to get?
And are those things determined at this time (like a list that you've just written) or it can expand gradually to other things even now, after the childhood?


Sorry for the delay. I was working second shift.

I defy the stereotype of hoarding in that I buy most of my items new. If I'm in the area, and I'm looking for something specific, I'll hit a thrift shop, but where I work in retail, it's just easier to buy from my workplace. I don't travel around to shops looking for things that catch my eye. I go to specific shops with an agenda in mind. And very rarely do I take free items. If I don't genuinely love it, I don't need it. Just because it's a bargain doesn't mean it's worth it.

A lot of my items I have had since early childhood. They have memories attached to them, they are in good condition and thus useful, you name the excuse, I made it. Other items I acquired as an adult, but very rarely do I specifically set out to acquire something. I will be shopping for, say, socks or I will be at an event. Then an object will catch my eye and it will "speak" to me. It's not uncommon for hoarders to have magical thinking and to believe that inanimate objects have souls. They feel that not buying an object or getting rid of an object is hurting the object's feelings or inviting the wrath of the object.

Another underappreciated aspect of hoarding is the utility aspect. We buy things like scissors, thumb tacks, etc things that don't generally generate an emotional attachment because we need them. But our hoard is so large that we forget where we put them or they are so deep in the hoard we cannot retrieve them. So we buy more. And then those recent purchases get claimed by the hoard and the cycle repeats.

It's important to note that hoarding often coexists with OCD. A good example of this is counting OCD, which I struggle with. Say you have a thing for even numbers. This means everything you buy, you have to buy two of them. Multiply that by everything you buy and it becomes a hoard pretty damn quickly.

In my experience, hoarding tendencies evolve over the lifespan. My hoard today looks different from my hoard even five years ago, and I'm 35. Five years from today, it could be baseball cards. To me, hoarding is an expression of the inner world of the hoarder, and as such, it's determined by feelings, relationships, circumstances, etc.

I love your questions!
 
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Sorry for the delay. I was working second shift.

I defy the stereotype of hoarding in that I buy most of my items new. If I'm in the area, and I'm looking for something specific, I'll hit a thrift shop, but where I work in retail, it's just easier to buy from my workplace. I don't travel around to shops looking for things that catch my eye. I go to specific shops with an agenda in mind. And very rarely do I take free items. If I don't genuinely love it, I don't need it. Just because it's a bargain doesn't mean it's worth it.

A lot of my items I have had since early childhood. They have memories attached to them, they are in good condition and thus useful, you name the excuse, I made it. Other items I acquired as an adult, but very rarely do I specifically set out to acquire something. I will be shopping for, say, socks or I will be at an event. Then an object will catch my eye and it will "speak" to me. It's not uncommon for hoarders to have magical thinking and to believe that inanimate objects have souls. They feel that not buying an object or getting rid of an object is hurting the object's feelings or inviting the wrath of the object.

Another underappreciated aspect of hoarding is the utility aspect. We buy things like scissors, thumb tacks, etc things that don't generally generate an emotional attachment because we need them. But our hoard is so large that we forget where we put them or they are so deep in the hoard we cannot retrieve them. So we buy more. And then those recent purchases get claimed by the hoard and the cycle repeats.

It's important to note that hoarding often coexists with OCD. A good example of this is counting OCD, which I struggle with. Say you have a thing for even numbers. This means everything you buy, you have to buy two of them. Multiply that by everything you buy and it becomes a hoard pretty damn quickly.

In my experience, hoarding tendencies evolve over the lifespan. My hoard today looks different from my hoard even five years ago, and I'm 35. Five years from today, it could be baseball cards. To me, hoarding is an expression of the inner world of the hoarder, and as such, it's determined by feelings, relationships, circumstances, etc.

I love your questions!
No problem. I'm just genuinely interested. You may answer when you're comfortable or not answer at all if I'll cross the line unintentionally. No pressure.

And you anticipated my next question about whether it has anything to do with OCD, which I'm very familiar with :)

I mean, are there certain emotions or events that trigger the urge to collect more, like it may happen with OCD?

Do you find it harder to manage digital clutter (photos, files, messages history) or just physical things?

Do you ever feel proud of your collection, or is it always framed as a problem?

Sorry for question bombing, I'm just really curious and want to understand :)
 
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SchizoGymnast

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May 28, 2024
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No problem. I'm just genuinely interested. You may answer when you're comfortable or not answer at all if I'll cross the line unintentionally. No pressure.

And you anticipated my next question about whether it has anything to do with OCD, which I'm very familiar with :)

I mean, are there certain emotions or events that trigger the urge to collect more, like it may happen with OCD?

Do you find it harder to manage digital clutter (photos, files, messages history) or just physical things?

Do you ever feel proud of your collection, or is it always framed as a problem?

Sorry for question bombing, I'm just really curious and want to understand :)

I love educating people about one of my favorite topics!

Hoarders collect when they're happy in order to celebrate. They collect under times of high stress. Holidays and anniversaries may be especially difficult, especially if they've lost a loved one during that time. Hoarding is unique in that it's not just self-soothing, but also self expression and celebration. Of a loved one, a hobby, a past era of their life, etc.

I actually have no problem at all blasting through digital clutter. My digital space is very organized for some reason. I guess for me digital clutter often involves things that are a lot less sentimental, like, say, college notes. With digital clutter, I don't have to find a place to put it, or drag it to the dump. The physical labor is nonexistent. Other people struggle with it because they aren't tech savvy, or they have a hard time managing objects that don't occupy 3D space. Also, part of the recovery process is physically handling the object and then physically depositing it in the trash, donation bin, etc and that same release can't be achieved with digital files. Something to be wary of is that for a lot of people with OCD, digital files can trigger a desire to hoard information. and also make it exceedingly easy to hoard information.

I'm always proud of my collections, but I'm not proud of the way I've maintained them. I want them to be displayed in a place of honor, organized, clean, and not in a pile under my bed. Furthermore, we've discussed hoarding collections in this conversation, but for me, there is also a darker side of hoarding, and *that's* where my problem lies. Some people hoard trash, bugs, bodily fluids, food, etc. For me, it's trash and expired food. I'm not purposefully hanging onto the trash. I want to get rid of it, but between my physical illness and my mental disability, taking out the trash just doesn't happen as often as it needs to. Taking trash to the trash can doesn't happen as often as it needs to, and it accumulates. Then after a certain point, you begin to be afraid that you accidentally threw out something critically important in the trash, but digging through the trash is just too big of a task. So the trash stays. As far as the food goes, I experienced food insecurity when I was younger so I developed a habit of buying way too much food that would then go bad. And once it went bad, I grieved the loss of that food. The money I wasted, the people that would never be fed. Throwing it away felt disrespectful, like disturbing a gravesite.

Keep it up, I love it!
 
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I love educating people about one of my favorite topics!

Hoarders collect when they're happy in order to celebrate. They collect under times of high stress. Holidays and anniversaries may be especially difficult, especially if they've lost a loved one during that time. Hoarding is unique in that it's not just self-soothing, but also self expression and celebration. Of a loved one, a hobby, a past era of their life, etc.

I actually have no problem at all blasting through digital clutter. My digital space is very organized for some reason. I guess for me digital clutter often involves things that are a lot less sentimental, like, say, college notes. With digital clutter, I don't have to find a place to put it, or drag it to the dump. The physical labor is nonexistent. Other people struggle with it because they aren't tech savvy, or they have a hard time managing objects that don't occupy 3D space. Also, part of the recovery process is physically handling the object and then physically depositing it in the trash, donation bin, etc and that same release can't be achieved with digital files. Something to be wary of is that for a lot of people with OCD, digital files can trigger a desire to hoard information. and also make it exceedingly easy to hoard information.

I'm always proud of my collections, but I'm not proud of the way I've maintained them. I want them to be displayed in a place of honor, organized, clean, and not in a pile under my bed. Furthermore, we've discussed hoarding collections in this conversation, but for me, there is also a darker side of hoarding, and *that's* where my problem lies. Some people hoard trash, bugs, bodily fluids, food, etc. For me, it's trash and expired food. I'm not purposefully hanging onto the trash. I want to get rid of it, but between my physical illness and my mental disability, taking out the trash just doesn't happen as often as it needs to. Taking trash to the trash can doesn't happen as often as it needs to, and it accumulates. Then after a certain point, you begin to be afraid that you accidentally threw out something critically important in the trash, but digging through the trash is just too big of a task. So the trash stays. As far as the food goes, I experienced food insecurity when I was younger so I developed a habit of buying way too much food that would then go bad. And once it went bad, I grieved the loss of that food. The money I wasted, the people that would never be fed. Throwing it away felt disrespectful, like disturbing a gravesite.

Keep it up, I love it!
I still have a few questions for today :)

What do you wish people understood the most about hoarders that they usually don't?

Does hoarding affect your relationships with friends etc.?

Do you work with a therapist, take any medications, or do you recover through willpower alone?

And probably the last question for today: is this one of the reasons why you are on this forum? If at all. And if it plays significant role in this...


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Sorry, my mind is shutting down for now.

I've been apathetic and depressed for a long while now, but you managed to get me curious. So thank you, I guess I am still capable to love to find out something new.

You've given me a lot to think about. Thanks again for answering my curious questions so kindly.
I really appreciate your openness, it helped me understand things a lot better.

Sending you lots of love and good vibes.
Wishing you strength and hope you'll feel better!
 
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What was your absolute breaking point?


Hoarding is a condition that tends to recur, so I've had a couple absolute breaking points.

Two examples I can think of are:

A) When a pipe burst in my living room when I was at work. I came home to my electronics submerged in an inch of water and all my belongings knocked over and scattered absolutely everywhere. I don't know if you've ever heard a frozen pipe burst, but it sounds like a gunshot and it terrified my cats. They got the zoomies, which led to them knocking all my shit over. Anyway, I stood there, with my valuables submerged in brown water, gone for good, and realizing that they probably would still be okay if they weren't in a hoard. More importantly, the condition of my apartment was so bad that I refused to let anyone see inside...even though I had Lake Superior in my house. I thought to myself...it's not that deep. It will stop eventually. I don't need to call maintenance. And I realized...what am I thinking? If there was ever a time to get over your embarrassment and call maintenance, it's now. One of the telltale signs that someone struggles with hoarding is that they will live without utilities and allow their homes to go into disrepair in order to keep their hoarding a secret, and I saw myself in them. I called maintenance immediately after. My property manager was less than thrilled, but she was supportive of me getting treatment.

B) As I mentioned earlier, I have cats. I change my cats' litter pretty regularly, but if you know anything about cats, that's sometimes not good enough. If cats don't like the litter, or where you put the litter box, they'll mess outside the litter box. Cats also will mess outside the litter box if they are under stress or marking their territory. Why do I say this? Because one day I noticed that the litter boxes were...surprisingly clean despite it being a couple weeks since the last change. And yet the smell was horrible. A couple more weeks passed, the litter boxes were untouched but the smell was worse. Then one day, by accident, I stumbled upon it. I moved a chair in my living room and I found a literal land mine of cat shit. Some of it was petrified. Some of it was fresh. I did some serious dry heaving. Cleaning it up was a nightmare. And I realized...these land mines could be all over my home, buried in my clutter. In my book stacks. In my food stores. In my laundry. And I just wasn't going to have it. I would rather live with cockroaches. I haven't fully recovered from that, but I keep that image in mind when I'm struggling to find the motivation to clean.
 
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I still have a few questions for today :)

What do you wish people understood the most about hoarders that they usually don't?

Does hoarding affect your relationships with friends etc.?

Do you work with a therapist, take any medications, or do you recover through willpower alone?

And probably the last question for today: is this one of the reasons why you are on this forum? If at all. And if it plays significant role in this...


___________________________

Sorry, my mind is shutting down for now.

I've been apathetic and depressed for a long while now, but you managed to get me curious. So thank you, I guess I am still capable to love to find out something new.

You've given me a lot to think about. Thanks again for answering my curious questions so kindly.
I really appreciate your openness, it helped me understand things a lot better.

Sending you lots of love and good vibes.
Wishing you strength and hope you'll feel better!
A couple of things come to mind:

One is that, like any behavior, hoarding serves a purpose. Self harm helps a person cope with emotional pain. Tantrums help toddlers with limited vocabulary process big feelings. And hoarding also serves a purpose. For some, it is a way to rebel against perfectionistic standards. For those who identify as neurodivergent, who are forced to keep themselves under tight control in their outside lives, hoarding is a way for their minds to unravel and unmask. For other people, hoarding is about safety. For others it's rage. There are so many purposes that a hoard can serve in the life of the hoarder. Is hoarding potentially destructive to the hoarder and to those around her? Of course. Does that need to be addressed? Absolutely. However, we can have these conversations in a way that honors this reality, and when we design interventions for a hoarder, we need to give them an alternative means to meet that need.

The next thing I wish people understood about hoarders is the level of brain disease found in our population. Most people already know that hoarding tends to coexist with trauma and mental illness, and you would hope people would have compassion for that. Unfortunately, even people who have a history of trauma and mental illness still tend to believe that this is something that you should just suck it up and power through. But I would argue that there is a huge segment of the hoarder universe that is literally incapable of that. Look at how many elderly hoarders are diagnosed with a dementia related illness. Hoarding is actually considered a form of self neglect and is actionable by adult protective services. Look at how many hoarders have a history of traumatic brain injury. It's not just psychological, but a very physiological barrier that these people face in maintaining a livable environment.

I actually fall into one of these categories. I have severe right hemisphere brain dysfunction. This condition inhibits executive function, which is the ability to plan to get from point A to point B. When that piece of your cognition is missing, even simple tasks seem huge and confusing and exhausting. Throwing away a piece of trash? Doing a few dishes? Too complicated. My disability also affects my visual perception. I have 20/20 vision, yet I can't see objects that are right in front of my face because my brain doesn't decode it. So if I'm looking at clutter and filth, there is a good chance that I can't visually see all the messy details that you can see. I can't act on something that I can't see. And when I *do* commit to, say, an organizing project, the visual clutter that a hoard entails just crashes my server. Make sense?

It's mixed. I'm fortunate that my friends all have a basic respect for both me and my possessions. They don't see me as a hoarder because I don't fit the stereotype. They see me as someone that loves her stuff and is a little disorganized. I've had people come into my apartment and say it's not that bad, that they were expecting way worse. A couple of them feel claustrophobic in my apartment and thus choose not to come over. They all want good things for me. My family doesn't understand. They're embarrassed. They refuse to come over. We still have a good relationship but I accept that this is one of those things they will never understand.

Perhaps the most significant relationship that has been impacted by my hoarding is my property manager. I've gotten multiple eviction notices because of the hoarding and one time, she even yelled at me over the phone. With the help of a caseworker, I have been able to educate her about my condition. And every single time I got a lease violation or an eviction notice, I made sure I cleaned up the place. I haven't attracted pests or damaged the property or caused a nuisance. My hope is that she will see that, and she will see that I continually show up for her and maybe she'll show up for me too.

I don't think it's possible to recover from a genuine hoarding illness through willpower alone. Medication can treat symptoms that lead to the hoarding, but there is no medication to treat hoarding itself. For example, I take a high dose SSRI for OCD, which contributes to my hoarding. Someone else might take anti-psychotics if they have delusional beliefs about their possessions. Therapy is the preferred mode of treatment for hoarding, and there are a few different types you can try. You can try exposure response prevention (ERP), where you intentionally expose yourself to your worst fears (in this case throwing out prized possessions) in order to become desensitized. Cognitive behavioral therapy is good for reframing your attitudes about your possessions and dialectical therapy can increase your distress tolerance. Occupational therapy can give people organizational and basic living skills. In some cases, grief counseling may be appropriate, because people are often grieving not only the loss of their things, but also the trauma that caused them to hoard. In some cases, they started hoarding after a loved one died and/or the hoard itself consists of the deceased's belongings. You may have to experiment. And this may actually be where willpower comes in. No matter how much help you get, you're going to put in hours of work and it's going to suck, and you may not see results at first, especially if you go the ERP route. In any case, it's better than staying stuck where you are.

Hoarding was THE reason I opened an account in the first place. At the time I signed up last year, I had gotten my latest eviction notice not just for hoarding, but for animal hoarding no less. My PM was under the impression that I had 15 cats in the unit., which I most certainly did not. I was tired of constantly being threatened with the loss of my home. I'm tired of bringing my broken body home to an apartment that reeks. I'm tired of my home looking like a storage unit instead of my home. I'm tired of not having any room to do any of the projects that I love to do, or living in fear that something in my apartment will break that I can't fix, and not having people over. I'm tired of eating crap food because my kitchen is unusable. Deep down, I feel like I deserve better and yet I'm trapped in both a brain and a body that are useless. A;ll I can do is eat ravioli out of a can and watch myself be buried alive.

It means a lot to me that people are reading my content. So many people don't view hoarders as even human, you know?
 
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A couple of things come to mind:

One is that, like any behavior, hoarding serves a purpose. Self harm helps a person cope with emotional pain. Tantrums help toddlers with limited vocabulary process big feelings. And hoarding also serves a purpose. For some, it is a way to rebel against perfectionistic standards. For those who identify as neurodivergent, who are forced to keep themselves under tight control in their outside lives, hoarding is a way for their minds to unravel and unmask. For other people, hoarding is about safety. For others it's rage. There are so many purposes that a hoard can serve in the life of the hoarder. Is hoarding potentially destructive to the hoarder and to those around her? Of course. Does that need to be addressed? Absolutely. However, we can have these conversations in a way that honors this reality, and when we design interventions for a hoarder, we need to give them an alternative means to meet that need.

The next thing I wish people understood about hoarders is the level of brain disease found in our population. Most people already know that hoarding tends to coexist with trauma and mental illness, and you would hope people would have compassion for that. Unfortunately, even people who have a history of trauma and mental illness still tend to believe that this is something that you should just suck it up and power through. But I would argue that there is a huge segment of the hoarder universe that is literally incapable of that. Look at how many elderly hoarders are diagnosed with a dementia related illness. Hoarding is actually considered a form of self neglect and is actionable by adult protective services. Look at how many hoarders have a history of traumatic brain injury. It's not just psychological, but a very physiological barrier that these people face in maintaining a livable environment.

I actually fall into one of these categories. I have severe right hemisphere brain dysfunction. This condition inhibits executive function, which is the ability to plan to get from point A to point B. When that piece of your cognition is missing, even simple tasks seem huge and confusing and exhausting. Throwing away a piece of trash? Doing a few dishes? Too complicated. My disability also affects my visual perception. I have 20/20 vision, yet I can't see objects that are right in front of my face because my brain doesn't decode it. So if I'm looking at clutter and filth, there is a good chance that I can't visually see all the messy details that you can see. I can't act on something that I can't see. And when I *do* commit to, say, an organizing project, the visual clutter that a hoard entails just crashes my server. Make sense?

It's mixed. I'm fortunate that my friends all have a basic respect for both me and my possessions. They don't see me as a hoarder because I don't fit the stereotype. They see me as someone that loves her stuff and is a little disorganized. I've had people come into my apartment and say it's not that bad, that they were expecting way worse. A couple of them feel claustrophobic in my apartment and thus choose not to come over. They all want good things for me. My family doesn't understand. They're embarrassed. They refuse to come over. We still have a good relationship but I accept that this is one of those things they will never understand.

Perhaps the most significant relationship that has been impacted by my hoarding is my property manager. I've gotten multiple eviction notices because of the hoarding and one time, she even yelled at me over the phone. With the help of a caseworker, I have been able to educate her about my condition. And every single time I got a lease violation or an eviction notice, I made sure I cleaned up the place. I haven't attracted pests or damaged the property or caused a nuisance. My hope is that she will see that, and she will see that I continually show up for her and maybe she'll show up for me too.

I don't think it's possible to recover from a genuine hoarding illness through willpower alone. Medication can treat symptoms that lead to the hoarding, but there is no medication to treat hoarding itself. For example, I take a high dose SSRI for OCD, which contributes to my hoarding. Someone else might take anti-psychotics if they have delusional beliefs about their possessions. Therapy is the preferred mode of treatment for hoarding, and there are a few different types you can try. You can try exposure response prevention (ERP), where you intentionally expose yourself to your worst fears (in this case throwing out prized possessions) in order to become desensitized. Cognitive behavioral therapy is good for reframing your attitudes about your possessions and dialectical therapy can increase your distress tolerance. Occupational therapy can give people organizational and basic living skills. In some cases, grief counseling may be appropriate, because people are often grieving not only the loss of their things, but also the trauma that caused them to hoard. In some cases, they started hoarding after a loved one died and/or the hoard itself consists of the deceased's belongings. You may have to experiment. And this may actually be where willpower comes in. No matter how much help you get, you're going to put in hours of work and it's going to suck, and you may not see results at first, especially if you go the ERP route. In any case, it's better than staying stuck where you are.

Hoarding was THE reason I opened an account in the first place. At the time I signed up last year, I had gotten my latest eviction notice not just for hoarding, but for animal hoarding no less. My PM was under the impression that I had 15 cats in the unit., which I most certainly did not. I was tired of constantly being threatened with the loss of my home. I'm tired of bringing my broken body home to an apartment that reeks. I'm tired of my home looking like a storage unit instead of my home. I'm tired of not having any room to do any of the projects that I love to do, or living in fear that something in my apartment will break that I can't fix, and not having people over. I'm tired of eating crap food because my kitchen is unusable. Deep down, I feel like I deserve better and yet I'm trapped in both a brain and a body that are useless. A;ll I can do is eat ravioli out of a can and watch myself be buried alive.

It means a lot to me that people are reading my content. So many people don't view hoarders as even human, you know?
Wow, as I already said before, I never really thought about this topic. Well, apart from a few crappy news reports, but I don't usually pay much attention to what journalists say and what conclusions they try convey.

So the way you broke down the different purposes hoarding can serve, and how it ties into brain function and trauma and possible connection to OCD... that makes so much sense now.
I appreciate your time and how honest you are about the messy parts and the effort it takes.
It gave me food for thought, which I haven't experienced for a while.
Thanks once again for putting this out here.
I hope you will feel better after all.
Sending love and hugs!
 
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I figure I will turn this into one of my ongoing educational threads. It seems there is a market for it but not much content.

WARNING: This is super gross.

Mostly, in this conversation, I have talked about collections...art, books, things that presumably have value. Or at least they had value at one point before they got damaged. However, if you've ever watched a hoarding TV show, or saw a news story about hoarding, there's a good chance you've seen instances of people hoarding bodily fluids and waste. People ask how they can live like that. Or what could possibly be valuable about bodily waste. I'm going to attempt to answer that question here.

I personally do NOT hoard those things, so I can't speak for these people. However, I can use the research I have read, and my hoarder mind, and give you an idea.

Most people that hoard these things aren't doing so because they're emotionally attached to the waste. Thank God for that. Rather, it's a utility issue. Imagine that your toilet needs repairing, but your living room is hoarded out and you are embarrassed to have a maintenance worker see it. Or let's say the bathroom itself is so heavily hoarded that it's inaccessible. Guess what? Your toilet isn't usable, and you're forced to find an...alternative solution.

I have other theories as to why someone might hoard these materials. Someone with a psychotic illness might have delusional beliefs about these substances, maybe that they are magic or that they are symptoms of a disease. A hoarder that is obsessed with the usefulness of their items might see these items are fertilizer. And an ecologically conscious hoarder might simply not want to use a toilet because they think their toilet is harmful to the environment. I do NOT have any documented incidences of these scenarios happening, I am simply exploring why someone might accumulate these items beyond simply necessity.
 
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You know what's interesting? I came across a thread on Reddit about people who worked for rich people. And one guy went to some millionaire couple's house. And the couple had mountains of clothes in each room. Mountains and mountains of clothes. Every single room. It turns out that they didn't do laundry for whatever reason. I can't understand why. They would just buy new clothes every time they wanted to change the ones they were wearing and toss the old ones in a pile. Do you think that this is a type of hoarding?Or is it something else?

Also, I remember an old episode of 'the practice'. A TV show about law practice about defense lawyers that defend criminals . And one episode showed a man storing all his semen in bottles in his fridge.I think that's somewhat in line with your above post about hoarding bodily fluids.He had a reason too for why he did it, but I can't recall.
 
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You know what's interesting? I came across a thread on Reddit about people who worked for rich people. And one guy went to some millionaire couple's house. And the couple had mountains of clothes in each room. Mountains and mountains of clothes. Every single room. It turns out that they didn't do laundry for whatever reason. I can't understand why. They would just buy new clothes every time they wanted to change the ones they were wearing and toss the old ones in a pile. Do you think that this is a type of hoarding?Or is it something else?

Also, I remember an old episode of 'the practice'. A TV show about law practice. And one episode showed a man storing all his semen in bottles in his fridge.I think that's somewhat in line with your above post about hoarding bodily fluids.
If there's no emotional attachment to the clothes and/or there's no substantial distress at the thought of giving them up, my guess is that they don't meet the formal criteria for hoarding disorder. However, if they don't do laundry and they can't seem to keep their living spaces clear, they almost certainly have severe chronic disorganization. CD tends to go hand in hand with HD and sometimes it's hard to draw a boundary between the two. Furthermore, even if these people don't have HD, CD very often co-occurs with other conditions such as ADHD.

As for the second part, was this a fictional show? In any case, I could easily see someone having magical beliefs about semen.
 
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If there's no emotional attachment to the clothes and/or there's no substantial distress at the thought of giving them up, my guess is that they don't meet the formal criteria for hoarding disorder. However, if they don't do laundry and they can't seem to keep their living spaces clear, they almost certainly have severe chronic disorganization. CD tends to go hand in hand with HD and sometimes it's hard to draw a boundary between the two. Furthermore, even if these people don't have HD, CD very often co-occurs with other conditions such as ADHD.

As for the second part, was this a fictional show? In any case, I could easily see someone having magical beliefs about semen.
Yeah, it was a fictional show. And umm, you maybe right about the beliefs.Apparently this was a client that was being defended by the defense lawyers. And I think he attacked a woman or something. And his belief was he was saving it in order to impregnate as many women as he could. Something like that. But again, is that some other disorder? Because he's not hoarding it for the sake of hoarding.He's storing it for some purpose I guess, right? So it doesn't fit the criteria of hoarding?
 
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Yeah, it was a fictional show. And umm, you maybe right about the beliefs.Apparently this was a client that was being defended by the defense lawyers. And I think he attacked a woman or something. And his belief was he was saving it in order to impregnate as many women as he could. Something like that. But again, is that some other disorder? Because he's not hoarding it for the sake of hoarding.He's storing it for some purpose I guess, right? So it doesn't fit the criteria of hoarding?
It still could fit the criteria. All hoarders see their collections as serving some greater purpose. They all see themselves as doomsday preppers or brilliant entrepreneurs and such. Whether he has HD or not, I would strongly consider that he was anti-social personality disorder, maybe even a touch of delusional disorder.
 
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Unrelated but,
One more thing I got to ask, you made a post earlier about your basement getting flooded. how long did you leave it like that? Did you face any mold issues? My mother has an office building. It has a basement that got flooded because of ground water seeping through small cracks.The smell was horrific.
 
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Unrelated but,
One more thing I got to ask, you made a post earlier about your basement getting flooded. how long did you leave it like that? Did you face any mold issues? My mother has an office building. It has a basement that got flooded because of ground water seeping through small cracks.The smell was horrific.
I had just come home from a 16-hour overnight shift when I discovered it. The burst pipe was still actively gushing pounds of water pressure so I couldn't exactly ignore it. It took me 10-20 minutes to gather up the courage to call. How long the pipe was gushing for, I have no idea. If the pipe weren't still gushing, I probably would have tried to fix it myself. As for mold, that place has had mold issues since I moved in, so I guess I had someone to blame if it came to that.
 
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I had just come home from a 16-hour overnight shift when I discovered it. The burst pipe was still actively gushing pounds of water pressure so I couldn't exactly ignore it. It took me 10-20 minutes to gather up the courage to call. How long the pipe was gushing for, I have no idea. If the pipe weren't still gushing, I probably would have tried to fix it myself. As for mold, that place has had mold issues since I moved in, so I guess I had someone to blame if it came to that.
That's brutal. Is this your old place or the current one that you're paying quite a bit of rent for?I remember you saying that your current place had an inspection during your sleep time a few weeks ago.
 
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That's brutal. Is this your old place or the current one that you're paying quite a bit of rent for?I remember you saying that your current place had an inspection during your sleep time a few weeks ago.
I pay $1,400/mo, which is market rate for my area. That's $1,400 too much in my opinion, but the corporate landlords have us right where they want us. IT's particularly bad in my state because it's a hot vacation destination. All the private firms want the short term vacation housing.
 
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I hoard books and records, should I have a bonfire and burn this crap?
If you're able to, yes. I used to buy a lot of stuff and put it away in cabinets and closets. Now I just stopped buying stuff. I've become more minimalist. Not by choice. But just because of anhedonia in general. I've lost interest.

I don't want the headache of dusting and cleaning either.
Although someone else does that for me. I just don't want stuff that I'm not using collecting dust around my house, and I think books are the very worst of them. Or you could organize a sale and try to dispose of all them?
 

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