Method Bathub drowning vs sea drowning at night?

[Young]

What's a better plan? Bathub drowning or going into the sea at night?

 

[NearlyIrrelevantCake]

I tried drugging myself and then drowning in the ocean, I went to the waterfront at about midnight after taking all of my pills. I passed out at the edge of the water and someone found me, called 911. I was in a coma for a week or two and then the psych ward.

Bathtub avoids the risk of being found early.

 

[ma0]

If you want to ensure you don't go up to the surface then I'd recommend the ocean. At least that's what I plan to do.

 

[Crow_88]

The ocean is a lot more certain. Getting caught by the tide and pulled in versus sitting in a bathtub of water where your body can automatically break the surface and take a breath. I got caught in an undertow as a child and there was no way I was getting away from it. Someone had to jump in and save me. It's really a shame that they did. That could've been it right there.

 

[UnnervedCompany]

What's a better plan? Bathub drowning or going into the sea at night?

Neither. It's a very common misconception that drowning is painless. Drowning is one of the most painful ways to die. I have experienced drowning twice to a near death level and I do not wish that type of pain on anyone. It's slow and it hurts so much.

 

[Alexei_Kirillov]

What's your plan for bathtub drowning? Apart from exceptional circumstances, it's significantly more difficult to achieve due to how easy it is to get out.

 

[hearball]

drown in SN instead

 

[ZurgLein]

I tried drugging myself and then drowning in the ocean, I went to the waterfront at about midnight after taking all of my pills. I passed out at the edge of the water and someone found me, called 911. I was in a coma for a week or two and then the psych ward.

Bathtub avoids the risk of being found early.

Can you tell me more please both about the attempt? why the fck did they bother you at the ward after coma? how long were you kept in there?

 

[NearlyIrrelevantCake]

Can you tell me more please both about the attempt? why the fck did they bother you at the ward after coma? how long were you kept in there?

I took hundreds of prescription pills [a shitty method, but I didn't know that at the time] and went to the water, intending to drown.

I was in the psych ward after the coma because it was obviously a suicide attempt. I don't remember how long I was in the ward for, but it couldn't have been more than a week or two.

 

[TimetoGo!]

Neither. It's a very common misconception that drowning is painless. Drowning is one of the most painful ways to die. I have experienced drowning twice to a near death level and I do not wish that type of pain on anyone. It's slow and it hurts so much.

Absolute rubbish!!!

 

[UnnervedCompany]

Absolute rubbish!!!

Controlled drowning is a literal torture method. I'm telling the individual this because I don't want them to suffer when CTBing.

 

[Blueberry Panic]

I saw another person on here try huffed deodorant in a backpack at sea and they never were active again . So I think the sea route is best .

 

[Intoxicated]

Controlled drowning is a literal torture method. I'm telling the individual this because I don't want them to suffer when CTBing.

Other user mentioned a different experience:

Drowning actually is not bad, I almost drowned to death when I was 9 when someone tried to kill me. The water filled my lungs and it hurt a bit, but nothing ever too crazy. It hurts only for a bit.

Are there.. good methods?

I do not think I would rely on helium because it is rare on Earth and we have a limited amount, therefore it will be harder to find. I plan on just going down to the store and buying some nice rope, and then going home and tying a nice noose. That is, if I finally decide to do it. I don't know...

sanctioned-suicide.net

 

[L'absent]

Drowning, whether in a bathtub or the sea, does not guarantee lethality because there are many unpredictable factors. If someone were to find you and save you in time, you could end up with severe consequences such as permanent brain damage from lack of oxygen, cognitive and motor impairments, chronic respiratory failure caused by pulmonary edema, or complications from hypothermia, especially in cold water. It is impossible to predict exactly how your body would react, but the damage could be significant and irreversible.

 

[Eudaimonic]

Drowning, whether in a bathtub or the sea, does not guarantee lethality because there are many unpredictable factors. If someone were to find you and save you in time, you could end up with severe consequences such as permanent brain damage from lack of oxygen, cognitive and motor impairments, chronic respiratory failure caused by pulmonary edema, or complications from hypothermia, especially in cold water. It is impossible to predict exactly how your body would react, but the damage could be significant and irreversible.

This is why I would rent an Airbnb with a pool. But agreed in the sea and especially in a bathtub is unreliable.

 

[Corvette90]

The ocean is a lot more certain. Getting caught by the tide and pulled in versus sitting in a bathtub of water where your body can automatically break the surface and take a breath. I got caught in an undertow as a child and there was no way I was getting away from it. Someone had to jump in and save me. It's really a shame that they did. That could've been it right there.

That happened to me in a river when I was two. I almost drowned. I have also felt the same regret about being saved.

 

[Eudaimonic]

I guess it would depend on how remote the ocean is. But I would be very concerned about being seen and rescued with typical drowning where you will likely struggle somewhat at first. Also, with a bathtub, the water is likely not deep enough, so it seems possible that convulsions may result in you ending up with your face above water.

Honestly, I wonder how reliable shallow water blackout (with N2O) in a remote lake/river would be. It seems like there's substantially less risk of being seen in that case since you're just entering the water one second and the next, you're under. There's no transition between the two. I'm debating between doing that and, like I said, renting an Airbnb with a pool.

 

[Intoxicated]

Also, with a bathtub, the water is likely not deep enough, so it seems possible that convulsions may result in you ending up with your face above water.

Having weights attached to your neck, you'd need to splash a lot of water out in order to make your head not submerged.

Honestly, I wonder how reliable shallow water blackout (with N2O) in a remote lake/river would be. It seems like there's substantially less risk of being seen in that case since you're just entering the water one second and the next, you're under.

I know some small ponds near my city that are very rarely visited by people. Water may be very cold there though )

I'm debating between doing that and, like I said, renting an Airbnb with a pool.

You'd likely need a unit with a private pool then. Units with public/shared pools are much more common.

 

[Eudaimonic]

Having weights attached to your neck, you'd need to splash a lot of water out in order to make your head not submerged.

Yeah I guess with weights it's not an issue

I know some small ponds near my city that are very rarely visited by people. Water may be very cold there though )

If I do it, it will be in the summertime to minimize chances of resuscitation.

You'd likely need a unit with a private pool then. Units with public/shared pools are much more common.

Noted

 

[curiousbeing]

The ocean is a lot more certain. Getting caught by the tide and pulled in versus sitting in a bathtub of water where your body can automatically break the surface and take a breath. I got caught in an undertow as a child and there was no way I was getting away from it. Someone had to jump in and save me. It's really a shame that they did. That could've been it right there.

I am looking at YouTube videos and learning about rips and undertow. It seems hard to understand but I wish I will understand, correctly identify them at sea and be caught in undertow. That way, hopefully my body will get dragged into sea so i won't be found

I guess it would depend on how remote the ocean is. But I would be very concerned about being seen and rescued with typical drowning where you will likely struggle somewhat at first. Also, with a bathtub, the water is likely not deep enough, so it seems possible that convulsions may result in you ending up with your face above water.

Honestly, I wonder how reliable shallow water blackout (with N2O) in a remote lake/river would be. It seems like there's substantially less risk of being seen in that case since you're just entering the water one second and the next, you're under. There's no transition between the two. I'm debating between doing that and, like I said, renting an Airbnb with a pool.

But if it's done at night, how can people see drowned person? Only if I am drown very near to shore maybe or there is a ship far away?
I really hope there won't be a ship far. Or after drowning, a ship may suddenly appear. I have to do it when weather is dark. It's scary but reliable this way

 

[melonpan]

Drowning in the ocean would be the most liable choice as you'll be swept away too
In the bathtub, survival instinct will probably pull you out and who knows, maybe you can even swim back ashore if you walk into the sea.

But, it's going to be a despairing and painful experience, that's the only warning I'll say

 

[TimetoGo!]

I guess it would depend on how remote the ocean is. But I would be very concerned about being seen and rescued with typical drowning where you will likely struggle somewhat at first. Also, with a bathtub, the water is likely not deep enough, so it seems possible that convulsions may result in you ending up with your face above water.

Honestly, I wonder how reliable shallow water blackout (with N2O) in a remote lake/river would be. It seems like there's substantially less risk of being seen in that case since you're just entering the water one second and the next, you're under. There's no transition between the two. I'm debating between doing that and, like I said, renting an Airbnb with a pool.

I agree that a pool at an Airbnb is the best idea……although not cheap to get a private pool at a house , and you'd probably want to book at least two or three nights.

A pool would be deep enough and you could attach weight as well plus heavy sedation.

I can work in the bath if somehow held under and again sedated so you don't flap about too much.

 

[human909]

I would say neither since a bathtub is not deep enough and the ocean unless you go very far in since if you don't there will be a high possibility of getting found, like others suggest recommend booking a hotel room instead and go to the pool there since it would be deep enough to actually ctb in. (please do late evening if you decide so you don't trumatize anyone.)

 

[Eudaimonic]

I agree that a pool at an Airbnb is the best idea……although not cheap to get a private pool at a house , and you'd probably want to book at least two or three nights.

A pool would be deep enough and you could attach weight as well plus heavy sedation.

I can work in the bath if somehow held under and again sedated so you don't flap about too much.

I think I might use a hotel bathtub tbh. I'll prop my feet up when I do it and try to determine how much weight is needed to hold down my head/neck. I might also use an inflatable air pillow that will deflate when I pass out. I don't think anoxic seizures should be too much of an issue as long as you fill the tub up enough and weigh down your neck, arms, and maybe legs. This genuinely seems like the perfect method.

 

[TimetoGo!]

I think I might use a hotel bathtub tbh. I'll prop my feet up when I do it and try to determine how much weight is needed to hold down my head/neck. I might also use an inflatable air pillow that will deflate when I pass out. I don't think anoxic seizures should be too much of an issue as long as you fill the tub up enough and weigh down your neck, arms, and maybe legs. This genuinely seems like the perfect method.

I couldn't do it lying down face up, has to be face down with a nose clip. Lying face up could be more unpleasant.

Many dont agree but drowning, if done correctly, is the perfect method. It can't fail if you are held under for 3 mins or more

 

[Eudaimonic]

I couldn't do it lying down face up, has to be face down with a nose clip. Lying face up could be more unpleasant.

Many dont agree but drowning, if done correctly, is the perfect method. It can't fail if you are held under for 3 mins or more

Do you think I will remain unconscious if I inhale N2O to the point of syncope?

If my understanding of respiratory physiology, pathophysiology of shallow water & hypoxic blackouts, etc. is correct, then the time until death should track that of SWB (a couple of minutes only) and waking up should effectively be impossible because of cerebral hypoxia.

 

[TimetoGo!]

Do you think I will remain unconscious if I inhale N2O to the point of syncope?

If my understanding of respiratory physiology, pathophysiology of shallow water & hypoxic blackouts, etc. is correct, then the time until death should track that of SWB (a couple of minutes only) and waking up should effectively be impossible because of cerebral hypoxia.

I wouldn't know about N20 and its affects, and my own plan would be to sedate with strong Z meds.

 

[Intoxicated]

Do you think I will remain unconscious if I inhale N2O to the point of syncope?

If my understanding of respiratory physiology, pathophysiology of shallow water & hypoxic blackouts, etc. is correct, then the time until death should track that of SWB (a couple of minutes only) and waking up should effectively be impossible because of cerebral hypoxia.

Have you ever tried to carry out asphyxiation with N2O to the point of unconsciousness or near-unconsciousness? If you did such experiments, then you probably noticed that the transition to unconsciousness is gradual rather than abrupt and the transition from near-unconsciousness to full consciousness also happens gradually. When unconsciousness is near, you experience a lack of control over your body and the senses are severely weakened, you feel like you're under influence of lidocaine.

When you try to stop the transition to unconsciousness by breathing with fresh air, it may take up to 20 - 25 seconds till the breaking point is reached and the inverse transition to full consciousness starts. Considering the theory and what I've experienced in my brief tests, I have an impression that regaining at least partial consciousness after reaching full blackout without further inhaling oxygen is unlikely, and regaining consciousness to the degree that would significantly differ from near-unconsciousness should be nearly impossible.

Regardless of whether you regain some partial consciousness or not after fainting, you probably won't perceive any significant physical discomfort. But if you asphyxiate yourself for the first time, the perceptions may seem very unusual and produce anxiety. This is why familiarizing yourself with the effect of N2O before the actual CTB attempt can be very helpful. Then you would have a much better understanding of what you can feel at the last seconds of your conscious life.

It also probably makes sense to mentally prepare yourself to the scenario when you somehow return to semi-consciousness while drowning (following the wisdom "hope for the best, prepare for the worst"), so it won't be surprising, should it really happen. Obviously, you can't remain semi-conscious for a substantially long lime, so all you have to do in such a case is to patiently wait for the next blackout, which will probably occur in a few seconds and be the last one. Remembering this well may be somewhat important, since you likely lose the ability to think clearly under hypoxia, and then your estimation of whether the current situation is "safe" or "unsafe" (worth panicking) may highly depend on your memories about it. If in your memories it's associated with something that is expected and not threatening, there are less chances for panicking and greater chances for flawless CTB.

 

[outofbounds]

I think, if carefully planned, the ocean would be a better bet than a bathtub, because it would be harder to escape when the SI kicks in. You would have check beforehand to make sure that the spot you picked didn't have a current that would take you back to land too soon, and/or bring some weights to sink yourself with.

 

[Eudaimonic]

Have you ever tried to carry out asphyxiation with N2O to the point of unconsciousness or near-unconsciousness? If you did such experiments, then you probably noticed that the transition to unconsciousness is gradual rather than abrupt and the transition from near-unconsciousness to full consciousness also happens gradually. When unconsciousness is near, you experience a lack of control over your body and the senses are severely weakened, you feel like you're under influence of lidocaine.

When you try to stop the transition to unconsciousness by breathing with fresh air, it may take up to 20 - 25 seconds till the breaking point is reached and the inverse transition to full consciousness starts. Considering the theory and what I've experienced in my brief tests, I have an impression that regaining at least partial consciousness after reaching full blackout without further inhaling oxygen is unlikely, and regaining consciousness to the degree that would significantly differ from near-unconsciousness should be nearly impossible.

Regardless of whether you regain some partial consciousness or not after fainting, you probably won't perceive any significant physical discomfort. But if you asphyxiate yourself for the first time, the perceptions may seem very unusual and produce anxiety. This is why familiarizing yourself with the effect of N2O before the actual CTB attempt can be very helpful. Then you would have a much better understanding of what you can feel at the last seconds of your conscious life.

It also probably makes sense to mentally prepare yourself to the scenario when you somehow return to semi-consciousness while drowning (following the wisdom "hope for the best, prepare for the worst"), so it won't be surprising, should it really happen. Obviously, you can't remain semi-conscious for a substantially long lime, so all you have to do in such a case is to patiently wait for the next blackout, which will probably occur in a few seconds and be the last one. Remembering this well may be somewhat important, since you likely lose the ability to think clearly under hypoxia, and then your estimation of whether the current situation is "safe" or "unsafe" (worth panicking) may highly depend on your memories about it. If in your memories it's associated with something that is expected and not threatening, there are less chances for panicking and greater chances for flawless CTB.

Thank you for your response.

I have not yet experimented, but I plan to before the attempt for the reasons that you stated.

From my research I also have that impression. In SWBs for example I think regaining consciousness is essentially impossible since unconsciousness occurs invariably at ~30 mmHg (unless sufficient vasoconstriction is present, which by definition is not the case for SWB). I've never heard of it happening without intervention (as long as the person remains submerged) at least. That said, there are certain drug classes that depress cerebral blood flow, which should effectively make the chances of waking up zero even if syncope occurs somewhat prematurely due to vasoconstriction from e.g., hypocapnia.