Help benzos vs opiods

[certainty]

hello all, first thread so apologies in advance for any potential mistakes :)
i'm well aware OD is considered a non-method, just doing further research. as a long time lurker here, i've contemplated SN for a while now, but i've always had an incredibly sensitive stomach. being prone to nausea, i think in my final moments i'd prefer to avoid that sensation. that being said, i'm entirely virgin to both benzodiazepines and opiods (unless you count gabapentin, which i don't - similar effects, different brain chemicals). i know nausea is a common side effect of fentanyl, for example, but would a high enough dose/low enough tolerance cause one to pass out before experiencing vomiting/hypoventilation/apnea? is there a difference in benzos vs opiods in this way? also well aware of the horrors of addiction lol, so there's some obvious concerns surrounding a failed attempt as well. just curious if anyone has any futher information or experiences!

 

[copioushopelessness]

Using both is a more guaranteed OD. Could also try to get some nausea medication. Opiods can induce nausea, but with a high enough dose you'd probably pass out first if you snorted it rather than swallowed. There's chances of you vomiting while passed out which is how a lot of people die, choking on their vomit.
With no tolerance chances are you'd be dead before you'd notice. Depends on the batch though, I suppose.

 

[58Alice85]

If someone finds you ODing on opoids you are f***** they will bring you back using a drug called narcan
ctbing by benzos only seems to always fail

 

[whywere]

I have been on Hydromorphone for around 10 years now, from a VERY nasty car crash.

I also have had prescription for Klonopin and used it sparingly.

ANY benzo has one of the most hellish withdrawals of any drug. That is why I never stayed on it, as it can take a very long time, with electrical brain zaps that are MOST unpleasant withdrawing from the drug.

Yes, I have Narcan for a od, never ever have to worry, as I track my dosage pinpoint.

From everything that I have ever encountered overdosing is a waste of time and the only thing that will come of it is either organ or brain damage. Like with liver damage, I have seen folks dying in a hospital bed with their skin and eyes yellow from their bodies poisoning themselves, no way in hell would I want to go that way, nope never.

How about some brain damage and sit around having someone take care of a person while one stares out a window drooling, nope never.

I also throw up on a flash, so taking too much of anything and I throw up almost instantly. When I have surgery, right after they always give me Ondansetron for stomach upset.

Get the picture?

I am NOT pro-life nor pro-ctb, I just want each and every soul here to make wise choices and NOT harm themselves with a lifelong disability from trying overdosing.

PLEASE, I REALLY do care about everyone here, no matter if a person dislikes (hates) me, I just do NOT want anyone to suffer short or LONG term ever.

Walter

 

[certainty]

thank you everyone for the replies! i actually have narcan as well, and understand it's efficacy and how it's used. def agree ODing is extremely hard to pull off, and certainly will leave your liver fucked if you survive (alongside the aforementioned brain damage). i have some ondansetron too, but not much. i'm sure like many others, the idea of passing away "peacefully" (i.e. while unconscious) is appealing, however improbable. i've also considered hanging but worry about SI. lots of pros + cons to weigh for sure, and i doubt i'd want to take my chances on something as unreliable as an OD.

 

[lilies.in.heaven]

Hey!

I plan on using this method (benzo + opioid), and in my case it will be IV (intravenous).
Oral route is not recommended and more likely to fail.

i know nausea is a common side effect of fentanyl, for example, but would a high enough dose/low enough tolerance cause one to pass out before experiencing vomiting/hypoventilation/apnea?

The side effects are more bearable than SN's side effects, for example.
This is because during an OD, the perception of physical pain and mental suffering is severely decreased due to the huge release of endorphins from the opioid drug.

is there a difference in benzos vs opiods in this way?

The thing is, benzos alone are unlikely to work.

also well aware of the horrors of addiction lol, so there's some obvious concerns surrounding a failed attempt as well. just curious if anyone has any futher information or experiences!

Nobody gets addicted to anything after only one time using.
Opioids won't get someone addicted really fast (but when it does, it's a hell of an addiction, as you pointed out)

I will talk about my experiences with both codeine and cocaine.

I used codeine a few times (about 10). Didn't get addicted and stopped using right after I ran out of tabs. Didn't buy more even tho I could afford. Never used again.

I snorted coke a few times (also about 10). I didn't get addicted, but I realized that the addiction was already developing, and it was not slow.
I already had decided not to snort anymore, but then I would remember how it was good being high on it and start making excuses to snort just one more time. I'm glad I realized it at the beginning and was able to rationalize and quit it.
A few months later I snorted about 3 more times.

So, if I unfortunately ended up with a failed attempt, I'd not worry about getting hooked on it.
Not to mention the maturity I developed throughout my suffering years. I learned that messing up with these will just make my suffering worse by turning me into a junkie.

 

[certainty]

hello!

plan on using this method (benzo + opioid), and in my case it will be IV (intravenous).

i've considered IV as well, given both the low success rate of oral route (like you mentioned) and risk of vomiting. if you wouldn't mind, could we pm in order for me to ask some questions? i'm curious as to some specifics and reasoning if you'd like to share :)

benzos alone are unlikely to work

interesting since they are both CNS depressants, but it does make sense to "double down" in a way (and they do interact differently w/ opiod receptors vs GABA neurotransmitters)

I learned that messing up with these will just make my suffering worse by turning me into a junkie.

i'm glad you came to that realization in time, and def agree that addiction would greatly increase suffering for even the most "mentally stable" of individuals (although mh issues is often a reason for an otherwise healthy person to use drugs lol). thank you for sharing your experiences, and i'm wishing you well