Discussion Can depression be treated with Magic Mushrooms?

[MBG]

More support for the effectiveness of Magic Mushrooms in treating depression. Do not use if prone to schizophrenia or hallucinations. Read up online before using. Start low and go slow.

Can depression be treated with magic mushrooms or are you just high?

Studies show psilocybin from mushrooms could revolutionize depression treatment offering hope to millions who don't respond to traditional medications.

rollingout.com

 

[maniac116]

Its already being used in certain areas to treat depression. I use them 2-3 times a month & have major depressive disorder & it definitely helps me.
But everyone is different. People who take shrooms with "intent" respond better because they have an idea of what they expect to gain (intentions) from the experience.

 

[unwilling_lich]

ive had friends microdose it for that reason and they said it worked amazingly, tho thats just anecdotal

its kinda my last idea left to fix me but i lack the willpower to try growing it (too broke to afford buying it

 

[divinemistress36]

Ive microdosed and it my anxiety worse. I would love to a heroic dose with a guide walking me through it

 

[NoHope4Me]

From someone who was really deep into substance abuse I'd just recommend staying away from any kind of drug

 

[MBG]

Check on YouTube for videos on growing MM at home in a bag. The process is super easy,

Ive microdosed and it my anxiety worse. I would love to a heroic dose with a guide walking me through it

I would highly recommend NOT going straight from microdosing to a heroic dose. "Start low and go slow." You're doing this for neurological and psychological benefits, not recreationally.

You may find a guide in your area online.

From someone who was really deep into substance abuse I'd just recommend staying away from any kind of drug

Prof Matthew Johnson (Johns Hopkins) "How Dangerous?"

 

[MBG]

I should mention that magic mushrooms are still illegal at the federal level. Only CO and OR have legalized them at the state level but many cities have "decriminalized" them at the local level. Decriminalized means they've told their chiefs of police to make them a low priority for law enforcement.

More details at: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_psilocybin_mushrooms

If anyone wants to help more cities & states decriminalize Magic mushrooms, go to:

https://decriminalizenature.org/

Why push for decriminalization instead of legalization? Because legalization means taxation and regulation.

IIRC in CO one "trip" requires all day pre trip meeting with psychiatrist and therapist at their clinic, all day with both them on day of trip and at least one of them for post trip integration session.

Who pays for the rent, heating, electricity of the clinic? YOU! Who pays for all those billable hours of the psychiatrist, therapist (and office manager)? YOU! IIRC one "trip" costs between $3,000 to $5,000! That's out-of-pocket: it's not covered by insurance. The people who need psychedelic therapy the most are the least able to afford that (often due to their anxiety, depression and/or PTSD affecting their job stability, income and money management).

Now compare that to buying one $45 Magic mushroom laced chocolate bar and having a trusted friend spend a day with you making sure you're safe. Sure, the clinic approach is better, but not if you can't afford it. And even if you can, is it worth spending 100x more?

 

[whytrymyguy]

not going to give medical advice or tell you to use drugs, but in my personal experience psychedelics can help with depression, especially when microdosing. It has real potential, but due to legal restrictions in many countries research is limited.

 

[danny10]

I heard about it and one of my close friends swear by it. I am just too scared to try it, although I probably have nothing to lose. But it's very illegal in my country and I have no idea where I could get it.

 

[divinemistress36]

Not ready to do a heroic dose yet . But Im microdosing psilocybin

 

[onmywaytothebusstop]

Some people react bad to psychedelics like me. Some people are able to put their attention to the external world. As for me i internalize and critizice everything about myself. If anything it makes me want to ctb so be warry of that.

 

[MBG]

Not ready to do a heroic dose yet . But Im microdosing psilocybin

There's a big difference between a microdose (1/10th an average dose of dried mushrooms), an average dose (2-2.5 grams) and a heroic dose (>5 grams).

Do not use if personal or family history of schizophrenia or psychosis. IIRC do not use if you have high blood pressure.

Read the "Stamets Stack" microdosing protocol

For safety, have at least one sitter when taking a full dose or higher

+ eat hour or two before
+ allow 8+ hours to get back to normal
+ vomiting not unusual in first hour
+ https://tripsafe.org/how-to-take-shrooms/

+ have a specific intention for why you're taking this trip (eg, to understand why you're depressed/anxious)

+ For those hoping to focus on their mental well-being reduce external stimuli with eye masks and headphones.

+ Huberman emphasizes use of eye mask & music for therapeutic benefit

SIDE EFFECTS
+ headache
+ nausea
+ fatigue
+ dizziness
+ vomiting not unusual in first hour
+ Do not drive or work for 24 hours

Mindset
+ relaxed & open mind
+ surrender yourself to the experience, enjoy the ride

Setting
+ safe & comforting environment
+ warm clothes and blanket
+ eye mask
+ vomit bucket
+ audio recording
+ snacks & drinks: yogurt; fruit & muffin; Cliff bars
+ focus on deep, slow breathing
+ notepad and pen
+ sketch pad and colored pencils

INTENT/EXPECTATION
+ to rid myself of old, negative patterns of thoughts, habits and behaviors and replace them with positive, orderly, optimistic ones leading to success & happiness

+ "Trust", "Let Go," "Be Open"

+ "Remember to Breathe"

+ 30 min to a hour to take effect
+ peak effects between 2 to 3 hours
+ after 7 hours you'll want to sleep

+ https://tripsafe.org/how-to-take-shrooms/

Best practices: https://erievision.org/integration-3/

"Start low and go slow."

 

[rian 69]

There's a big difference between a microdose (1/10th an average dose of dried mushrooms), an average dose (2-2.5 grams) and a heroic dose (>5 grams).

Do not use if personal or family history of schizophrenia or psychosis. IIRC do not use if you have high blood pressure.

Read the "Stamets Stack" microdosing protocol

Have at least one sitter when taking a full dose or higher

+ For those hoping to focus on their mental well-being reduce external stimuli with eye masks and headphones.

+ Huberman emphasizes use of eye mask & music for therapeutic benefit

+ eat hour or two before
+ allow 8+ hours to get back to normal
+ vomiting not unusual in first hour
+ https://tripsafe.org/how-to-take-shrooms/

+ have a specific intention for why you're taking this trip (eg, to understand why you're depressed/anxious)

+ For those hoping to focus on their mental well-being reduce external stimuli with eye masks and headphones.

+ Huberman emphasizes use of eye mask & music for therapeutic benefit

SIDE EFFECTS
+ headache
+ nausea
+ fatigue
+ dizziness
+ vomiting not unusual in first hour
+ Do not drive or work for 24 hours
Mindset
+ relaxed & open mind
+ surrender yourself to the experience, enjoy the ride

Setting
+ safe & comforting environment
+ benzodiazepine to stop trip
+ warm clothes and blanket
+ eye mask
+ vomit bucket
+ audio recording
+ snacks & drinks: yogurt; fruit & muffin; Cliff bars
+ focus on deep, slow breathing
+ notepad and pen
+ sketch pad and colored pencils

INTENT/EXPECTATION
+ to rid myself of old, negative patterns of thoughts, habits and behaviors and replace them with positive, orderly, optimistic ones leading to success & happiness

+ "Trust", "Let Go," "Be Open" "Remember to Breathe"

+ 30 min to a hour to take effect
+ peak effects between 2 to 3 hours
+ after 7 hours you'll want to sleep

+ https://tripsafe.org/how-to-take-shrooms/
Best practices: https://erievision.org/integration-3/

"Start low and go slow."

I have both microdosed and taken 2 1.75 a week apart. I am 69 and did it maybe a year ago. I live in MD but DC has made it fairly easy and inexpensive. Didn't help; no idea if it hurt or not. My issues are so mercurial that it's hard for me to quantify. Though over the last 4-6 months and surely over time they have significantly worsened. I now have no desire to even leave my house, little to no energy to try unless absolutely necessary (and even that's questionable) and tried to get into the Hopkins trial but of course was aged out which actually really sucked.

A couple of weeks ago I tried suspension and guess knits aren't my thing or I have no neck. Will try that one more time soon and if same result WHO KNOWS.

 

[MBG]

"Try everything before you throw everything away…."

If I were you I'd follow those tips I posted and try again. There are several good Jordan Peterson lectures about depression on YouTube.

Here's some suggestions I shared with a friend.

Just a reminder of what Jordan Peterson said: the only happiness you'll have in life is "goal pursuit emotion." If you're not actively pursuing a valued goal it is impossible to be happy. Without a goal that you orient your life to achieve, you are disoriented and unhappy.

Pursuing and accomplishing ANY valued goal/s, even routine tasks—getting out of bed, cooking meals, praying, cleaning home, going to work, walking, exercising, reading a long delayed book (Bible?), saving money for investments or house down payment—orients your life and makes you happy when you make progress.

No valued goals = no happiness.

1 quart (or 1.5L) water bottle (2): 2#, $2
1 gallon water jug (2): 8.3#, $2.50
2.5 gallon water jug (2): 20.75#, $5

For less than $20 (in CA) you can buy water containers for emergencies that can act as dumbbells for exercises like squats, lunges, overhead presses, shrugs, upright rows, bent over rowing, bicep curls, Farmers walks. Plenty of YouTube resources for more ideas.

Watch some comedies too, preferably with friends. ;)

 

[tiredoflife2]

Wanted to try this, but I wouldn't trust myself in taking the right dose. Imagine if you ended up hallucinating and you hurt someone. Life would be even worse. Too risky.

 

[Kyotospade]

Definitely helps and they honestly should be legalized

 

[MBG]

Wanted to try this, but I wouldn't trust myself in taking the right dose. Imagine if you ended up hallucinating and you hurt someone. Life would be even worse. Too risky.

That's why you use a sober trip sitter whenever taking a full dose.

Buy 3 MM chocolate bars from reputable company at same time so they're more likely to be from the same batch and about the same "strength." Use first bar to "start low and go slow" increasing amount for each trip. Once you've established how much is required to start tripping, use remainder of first bar and second and third bars to take 2 full trips 3 weeks apart (same as research studies). Use up any leftovers microdosing or taking mild trips later.

 

[tiredoflife2]

That's why you use a sober trip sitter whenever taking a full dose.

Buy 3 MM chocolate bars from reputable company at same time so they're more likely to be from the same batch and about the same "strength." Use first bar to "start low and go slow" increasing amount for each trip. Once you've established how much is required to start tripping, use remainder of first bar and second and third bars to take 2 full trips 3 weeks apart (same as research studies). Use up any leftovers microdosing or taking mild trips later.

Thanks for this info. Never heard of a sober trip sitter. I think I'd need a friend to do that, and I don't have any of them anymore

I wouldn't know where to purchase the mm chocolate bars in the UK.