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Canada is still determining who should be eligible for MAID for mental illness, but some experts say it could become the most permissive jurisdiction in the world

Most people who seek a doctor's help to die are already dying of cancer.

With terminal cancer, "there is something inside the body that can be seen," says Dutch psychiatrist Dr. Sisco van Veen, tumours and tissues that can be measured or scanned or punctured, to identify the cells inside and help guide prognosis.

You can't see depression on a scan. With the exception of dementia, where imaging can show structural brain changes, "in psychiatry, really all you have is the patient's story, and what you see with your eyes and what you hear and what the family tells you," van Veen says. Most mental disorders lack "prognostic predictability," which makes determining when psychiatric suffering has become "irremediable," essentially incurable, particularly challenging. Some say practically impossible. Which is why van Veen says difficult conversations are ahead as Canada moves closer to legalizing doctor-assisted deaths for people with mental illness whose psychological pain has become unbearable to them.

One year from now, in March 2023, Canada will become one of the few nations in the world allowing medical aid in dying, or MAID, for people whose sole underlying condition is depression, bipolar disorder, personality disorders, schizophrenia, PTSD or any other mental affliction. In the Netherlands, MAID for irremediable psychiatric suffering has been regulated by law since 2002, and a new study by van Veen and colleagues underscores just how complicated it can be. How do you define "grievous and irremediable" in psychiatry? Is it possible to conclude, with any certainty or confidence, that a mental illness has no prospect of ever improving? What has been done, what has been tried, and is it enough?

"I think there's going to be lots of uncertainty about how to apply this in March 2023," says Dr. Grainne Neilson, past president of the Canadian Psychiatric Association and a Halifax forensic psychiatrist. "My hope is that psychiatrists will move cautiously and carefully to make sure MAID is not being used as something instead of equitable access to good care."

In the mental health field, opinions are deeply divided. Mental illness is never irremediable, one side argues. There is always hope for a cure, always something more to be tried, and a person's ability to think rationally, to seek an assisted death when they might have a life expectancy of decades, can't help being clouded by the very fact they are struggling psychologically.

In psychiatry, really all you have is the patient's story, and what you see with your eyes and what you hear and what the family tells you

Others argue that despite well-meaning "Bell Let's Talk" days, there still exists a profound lack of understanding about, and fear of, mental illness, and that the resistance reflects a long history of paternalism and unwillingness to accept that the suffering that can come from mental illness can be as equally tormenting as the suffering from physical pain.

Sometime in April, an expert panel struck by the Liberal government to propose recommended protocols for MAID for mental illness will present its report to the government. A joint parliamentary committee studying the new MAID law has been given a mandate to report back by June 23. The expert panel's chair declined an interview request, but her 12-member assembly has been tasked with setting out proposed parameters for how people with mental illness should be assessed for and — if found eligible — provided with MAID, not whether they should be eligible.

Those who know the literature well say the panel has likely looked long and hard at several questions: Must the person seeking a doctor-assisted death have tried all possible evidence-based treatments? All reasonable treatments? At least some? How long should the "reflection" period be, the time between first assessment and provision of death? Should cases of MAID for mental illness require approval from an oversight committee or tribunal, the way abortions in this country once had to be deemed medically necessary by a three-doctor "therapeutic abortion committee," before abortion was decriminalized more than three decades ago?

The idea that mental illness might make someone eligible for state-sanctioned assisted death had long been forbidden ground in Canada's euthanasia debate, and the path from there, to here has been a convoluted one.

Canada's high court ruled in 2015 that an absolute prohibition on doctor assisted dying violated the Charter, that competent adults suffering a "grievous and irremediable" medical condition causing intolerable physical or psychological suffering had a constitutional right to medically hastened death.

That decision formed the impetus for Canada's MAID law, Bill C-14, which allowed for assisted dying in cases where natural death was "reasonably foreseeable."

In 2019, a Quebec Superior Court justice ruled the reasonably foreseeable death restriction unconstitutional, and that people who were intolerably suffering but not imminently dying still had a constitutional right to be eligible for euthanasia.

In March 2021, Bill C-7 was passed that made changes to the eligibility criteria. Gone is the "reasonably foreseeable" criterion and, as of March 17, 2023, when a two-year sunset clause expires, MAID will be expanded to competent adults whose sole underlying condition is a mental illness.

Already, the removal of imminent death has made MAID requests far more complex, providers say. These are known as "Track Two" requests. At least 90 days must pass between the first assessment and the administration of MAID. Most involve chronic, unrelenting physical pain — nerve impingement, significant muscle spasms, neuropathic pain, chronic headaches. Ottawa MAID providers have received roughly 80 Track Two requests over the past year. "I think we've had only two proceed," said Dr. Viren Naik, medical director of the MAID program for the greater Ottawa area. Of the 30 providers within The Ottawa Hospital program, only four are willing to see Track Two patients, and Naik says he's probably going to lose two more of them. Many are conflicted when people aren't close to dying. "Making sure that they're not requesting MAID because they're vulnerable in any way has also been a challenge. If I take that to mental health, I think those issues are only going to compound."

The expert panel has been instructed to recommend safeguards. For Dr. Sonu Gaind, a past president of the Canadian Psychiatric Association, the most fundamental safeguard has already been bypassed, because there is no scientific evidence, he says, that doctors can predict when a mental illness will be irremediable. Everything else goes out the window.

Gaind isn't a conscientious objector to MAID. He's the physician chair of the MAID team at Humber River Hospital in Toronto, where he's chief of psychiatry. He works with cancer patients. He's seen the positive, the value that MAID can bring. But unlike cancer, or progressive, neurodegenerative diseases like ALS, "we don't understand the fundamental underlying biology causing most major mental illnesses."

"We identify them through the clustering of various symptoms. We try to target treatments as best we can. But the reality is, we don't understand what's going on, on a fundamental biological level, unlike with the vast majority of these other predicable conditions." Without understanding the biological underpinnings, what do you base your predictions on, he asks. He's heard the argument that it's difficult to make firm predictions about anything in medicine. But there's a world of difference between the degree of uncertainty between advanced cancers and mental illnesses like depression, he argues.

"There's no doubt that mental illnesses lead to grievous suffering, as grievous, even more grievous in some cases than other illnesses," Gaind says. "It's the irremediability part that our framework also requires and that scientifically cannot be met. That we cannot do. That's the problem."

Euthanasia for mental illness has, in fact, already occurred in Canada. Testifying before a Senate committee studying Bill C-7 last year, Vancouver psychiatrist Derryck Smith told the story of "E.F.", a 58-year-old woman who suffered from severe conversion disorder, where a person's paralysis, or blindness or other bizarre nervous system symptoms can't be explained by any physical findings. She suffered from involuntary muscle spasms. Her eyelid muscles had spasmed shut, leaving her effectively blind. Her digestive system was a mess, she was in constant pain and needed to be carried or use a wheelchair. In May 2016, Alberta's Court of Queen's Bench allowed her an assisted death.

Smith took part in another case involving a 45-year-old Vancouver woman who had suffered from anorexia nervosa since she was 17. She'd endured a "gauntlet" of treatments, he said, had been certified several times under the Mental Health Act, involuntarily hospitalized and force fed by a tube in a manner that left her feeling "violated." "At the time I assessed her, she had virtually no social life … no joy in her life." Smyth determined the woman had capacity to agree to assisted death.

While most people with anorexia nervosa recover, or eventually find some stability, "a minority of those with severe and enduring eating disorders recognize after years of trying that recovery remains elusive, and further treatment seems both futile and harmful," Dr. Jennifer Gaudiani and colleagues write in a controversial paper that sparked an outcry among some colleagues for suggesting people with severe, enduring anorexia — "terminal" anorexia — have access to assisted dying.

The term terminal anorexia nervosa isn't recognized in the field "as even being a thing," Gaudiani said in an interview. "There are plenty of clinicians and parents who say, 'How dare you? This could never be a terminal diagnosis.'"

"This represents an exceptionally tiny fraction of people," Gaudiani says. In her paper, she describes three, including Jessica, a "brilliant, sensitive, thoughtful, intuitive" 36-year-old woman who had struggled with anorexia since her junior year of high school. She suffered her first hip fracture at 27, her bones collapsing from malnutrition. She cycled in and out of treatment, and every meaningful bit of weight gain was followed by more restricting, more binge eating, and laxative abuse. Terrified of a long-drawn-out death from starvation, she sought and received a prescription for MAID. Gaudiani was the consulting doctor.

The Denver eating disorders specialist says she couldn't imagine endorsing MAID for any other psychiatric condition, although "it may be that I will down the road." But with chronic, enduring anorexia nervosa, "some people think that you must continue to force folks to keep trying, keep doing new things, rather than accepting that they may have a case that can't be turned around," she said.

But how is it possible to know that it can't? The case illustrates how fraught the question can be. Offering MAID to people with anorexia nervous would be "complicated beyond belief," says Dr. Blake Woodside, a professor in the department of psychiatry at the University of Toronto and former director of the largest hospital-based eating disorders program in the country, at Toronto General Hospital.

Doctors would need an enormous amount of clarity about the criteria, assessments would need to be done by people deeply experienced in treating the disease who could differentiate between someone who is hopeless, "and somebody who has made a reasoned decision that their life should end. And those are two different situations," Woodside says.

"Most people with anorexia nervosa do not want to die, and most people with severe anorexia nervosa do not see themselves at risk of death. The majority of people with bad anorexia nervosa have significant denial about how severe their illness is."

Woodside was once involved in a study testing deep brain stimulation for severe anorexia. Investigators had hoped to recruit six people with a history of at least 10 years of illness, and at least three unsuccessful attempts at intensive treatments. In the end, 22 people signed on — "22 people who were willing to volunteer for experimental neurosurgery in the hope they would have a better life." About a third made a substantial recovery; another third had some meaningful improvement. For the rest, the brain stimulation didn't touch them. But Woodside has a patient who, after 11 admissions to intensive treatment programs, is now fully recovered. "It took her eight or nine years to recover, but she's fully recovered." She recently had a second baby.

It's not a request they are making in the height of a despaired moment

Gaind worries about the overlap of isolation and poverty. "We know there is so much overlap with all sorts of psycho-social suffering." The people who get MAID when death is foreseeable are seeking autonomy and dignity, he said. They also tend to come from a higher socioeconomic standing.

"But when you expand it to sole mental illness conditions, the entire demographic shifts, and it's people who have unresolved life suffering that also fuels their request," Gaind says. A stark gender gap also emerges: when MAID is provided to the imminently dying, it's a 50-50 gender split. As many men as women seek and get it. Experience in the Netherlands and other countries shows that twice as many women seek and receive MAID for mental illness.

Why that concerns Gaind is that it parallels the ratio of suicide attempts. "Two-to-one women to men attempt suicide in the context of mental illness. Most who attempt suicide once don't try again, and don't subsequently actually take their lives. So, the concern is, are we then shifting this transient suicidality into a permanent death?"

He believes people should have autonomy to make their own decisions. But with depression, "it does affect your outlook on the future. You don't think about the future the same way. You see nothing. And there's that hopelessness."

When the Ontario Medical Association surveyed members of its psychiatry section last year, only 28 per cent of those who responded said MAID should be permitted for sole mental illness as an underlying condition; only 12 per cent said they would support it for their own patients.

Others argue that mental illness can sometimes be irremediable, the suffering intolerable and that competent, capable people have the right to make their own judgements and decide how much uncertainty they're willing to accept. They reject the arguments around vulnerability and that MAID is an "easier" path to suicide. In one study, 21 Dutch people who had a wish for assisted death because of suffering from mental illness said they wanted a "dignified" end of life. "Suicide was perceived as insecure and inhumane, for both the patient and others," the authors write. The people saw "impulsive suicidality" as different from a request for doctor-hastened death. "Suicidality, although sometimes also planned, was perceived as an act out of desperation and crisis; a state of mind in which there is no more room for other thoughts or control over actions. A wish for (assisted dying) was more well considered."

Under Canada's MAID law, people requesting assisted dying for a medical condition can refuse treatments they don't find acceptable. It's not clear whether the same will hold where mental illness is the sole underlying condition. The law also states that intolerable suffering is wholly subjective and personal. It's what the person says it is, and, unlike the Netherlands, a doctor doesn't have to agree.

Under those criteria, Canada could become the most permissive jurisdiction in the world with respect to MAID and mental illness, according to an expert panel of the Council of Canadian Academies.

"We don't force people to undergo treatment in order to realize their autonomy," says Dalhousie University's Jocelyn Downie, a professor of law and medicine. "We don't compel people with cancer to try chemotherapy — they don't have to have tried any if they want to have MAID, because we are basically respecting their autonomy. We're saying, 'You don't have to make that choice, even though many people would think that is a reasonable thing to do, to try these things before you proceed.' But we don't force that." Still, if someone is refusing the most basic treatments, "that to me is a red flag about their decision-making capacity," Downie says. "It doesn't mean they don't have decision-making capacity." But unreasonable decisions can be warning flags a deeper dive is needed.

What will psychiatrists in Canada be looking for? A robust, eligibility assessment process, Neilson says. That any request for doctor-assisted death is one of "durability and voluntariness," that it's a settled one, free of undue, outside influences. That it's not an impulsive wish. "It's not a request they are making in the height of a despaired moment, or at a time when they are vulnerable." That standard treatments have been offered, attempted and failed, with no other reasonable alternatives. That at least one independent psychiatrist expert in the specific disease be involved in the assessment, which is problematic. In many parts of the country, it can be a challenge to find a psychiatrist to treat mental illness, let alone provide an assessment for assisted death.

Assessing competence is, in practice, not as big a challenge as some might think, van Veen says. In the Netherlands, 90 per cent of requests don't end in MAID. "Sometimes they are retracted by patients, but most are denied by psychiatrists." In the CMAJ study, psychiatrists providing assessments described being morally conflicted. Many grappled with doubt: Am I being too early? Am I missing something? "You can't be too rash in helping these people die," says van Veen, of the Amsterdam University Medical Centre. But MAID has also started conversations about the limits of psychiatric treatments.

Those who do seek MAID in the Netherlands often have decades-long therapeutic histories, severe, therapy-resistant disorders that have put them in and out of hospital, again and again. "The repetitiveness, the waxing and waning of psychiatric suffering…. You have some good years, but there is always the fear and danger looming of a new mental health crisis," van Veen says. "These are the patients who are very, very unlucky." They're also tired. "Treatment fatigue is really something that stands out in this patient group."

He does believe it is possible to establish irremediability, incurability, in psychiatry. "I just think it's very challenging." He and his co-authors plea for a "retrospective" view, meaning look at the person's history of failed treatments, rather than the prospect for improvement.

That approach "absolves the psychiatrist from the unreasonable task of making highly accurate prognostic claims," they write. It moves from "this will never get better," to, "everything has been tried."

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Do you have to be a Canadian citizen for this? I'd qualify now for "Track 2" if they're already allowing it.
You have to be a Canadian resident who is eligible to access healthcare here. This is to prevent "suicide tourism" to Canada.
 
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I have been reading the commission's report on what challenges present and what considerations have to be made.

I expect the new rules to be VERY similar to those in Netherlands/Belgium/Lux.

- Most requests will be rejected (90%)
- Patients w mood disorders (depression, anxiety) will have it MUCH harder to fulfill the requirements compared to people with neurological illnesses like Alzheimer's/Dementia.

The problem with mood disorders:
part of the illness is "poor decision making", clouded judgement and often a distorted view of reality.

This will lead to the argument that patients with mood disorders are unable to make a rational, autonomous, well considered decision BECAUSE of their illness.

There will be many more "guardrails" in place to prevent people in crisis or who haven't tried every "reasonable treatment" from accessing MAID.

While I think this is a great step towards the right to choose and having bodily autonomy, I do NOT expect this to be available to many Canadians.

Remember:
Accessing psychiatric treatment is hard. We barely have enough doctors to access treatment as it is.
It will require a continuous record of tried and failed treatments over years (5-10 yrs or longer) to even come close to being able to prove that your condition is "grievous and irremediable".
 
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To answer the question in the title, all people should have the right to euthanasia. Why should people be forced to live against their wishes. People should not have to resort to risky and painful methods to end their suffering. We have no obligations to stay alive as we did not ask to exist.
 
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Well, shit. That totally sucks. At least I have peaceful options but I'd much rather have someone with me.

Thanks for letting me know.
Yes it most certainly does suck.
The article says that 80 people applied, only 2 were approved (!!) and only 4 out of 30 physicians are even willing to assess someone for MAID.

I expect this to be available in theory, but inaccessible for most.
 
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People with eating disorders should be allowed to end their lives if that's what they wish for.
 
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No one can predict how easy to access MAID for mental illness is going to be. All my hope is in MAID next year and that gives me kind of peace of mind. Speaking for myself, if I get denied euthanasia, travelling to South America to obtain N would be plan B.
 
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People with eating disorders should be allowed to end their lives if that's what they wish for.
I agree and apparently that is one of the Illnesses doctors are more likely to approve. However most in the field still assume that "there could be a cure SOME day" and that's enough for them to deny requests and make patients suffer even longer.

It's rather vile tbh
No one can predict how easy to access MAID for mental illness is going to be. All my hope is in MAID next year and that gives me kind of peace of mind. Speaking for myself, if I get denied euthanasia, travelling to South America to obtain N would be plan B.
True we don't know what the future holds.

However you can read the arguments made from both sides of experts in their report.

This is the basis on which they now make suggestions how to assess applicants.

 
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I agree and apparently that is one of the Illnesses doctors are more likely to approve. However most in the field still assume that "there could be a cure SOME day" and that's enough for them to deny requests and make patients suffer even longer.

It's rather vile tbh

True we don't know what the future holds.

However you can read the arguments made from both sides of experts in the report that was just released.

This is the basis on which they now make suggestions how to assess applicants.

Not to put too fine a point on things, but that report, released in 2018, is no longer valid as the immanence provision was struck down in 2019. Also, the National Post referenced Ottawa physicians, and numbers might be expected to change elsewhere in Canada. But the larger point you make, that this will yet be a restrictive process, stands. It's early days, and I can certainly understand folks wanting to side with caution.

At the end of the day, it comes down to who can demonstrate an impaired capacity to reasonable enjoyment of, and ability to participate in, life. So your condition has to be persistent over time, there had to have been reasonable attempts made at treatment, etc., all with unsuccessful outcome. Unfortunately, that means a 20-something, who wants to ctb because the love of their life just walked won't qualify. Nor should they.

Nor should someone be eligible when they're actively in crisis. That's the time for crisis intervention, not offing oneself. Crisis, after all, is temporary, and decisions like leaving should be made after a period of reflection, in the cool light of day.

It's far from perfect, and there's a lot that needs doing, but I think it's a step in the right direction.
 
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Any adult with no financial dependents who understands the decision they are making. Regardless of mental or physical illness.
 
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This is a mediocre step. It will likely be very difficult to access. They're probably going to require a hell of a medical history.
 
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Not to put too fine a point on things, but that report, released in 2018, is no longer valid as the immanence provision was struck down in 2019. Also, the National Post referenced Ottawa physicians, and numbers might be expected to change elsewhere in Canada. But the larger point you make, that this will yet be a restrictive process, stands. It's early days, and I can certainly understand folks wanting to side with caution.

At the end of the day, it comes down to who can demonstrate an impaired capacity to reasonable enjoyment of, and ability to participate in, life. So your condition has to be persistent over time, there had to have been reasonable attempts made at treatment, etc., all with unsuccessful outcome. Unfortunately, that means a 20-something, who wants to ctb because the love of their life just walked won't qualify. Nor should they.

Nor should someone be eligible when they're actively in crisis. That's the time for crisis intervention, not offing oneself. Crisis, after all, is temporary, and decisions like leaving should be made after a period of reflection, in the cool light of day.

It's far from perfect, and there's a lot that needs doing, but I think it's a step in the right direction.
Absolutely agree with everything you said. (And I amended my post, I thought it was just released but yes it's from 2018)

In the end it will also come down to "who has the means and access to healthcare" in order to access MAID.

Our own data here and also that from Benelux countries shows that those who access MAID are well situated and well educated.

Those who can advocate for themselves are more likely to be successful than those who can't.

Those who can argue and know how the system works, will more likely find someone who is willing to assess them.

Healthcare sadly is not at all "equitable" and far from universal.
 
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Absolutely agree with everything you said. (And I amended my post, I thought it was just released but yes it's from 2018)

In the end it will also come down to "who has the means and access to healthcare" in order to access MAID.

Our own data here and also that from Benelux countries shows that those who access MAID are well situated and well educated.

Those who can advocate for themselves are more likely to be successful than those who can't.

Those who can argue and know how the system works, will more likely find someone who is willing to assess them.

Healthcare sadly is not at all "equitable" and far from universal.
That, sadly, is very true. There is such a glaring need for folks who can advocate for those that cannot for themselves. Also sadly, it will never be enough…
 
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That, sadly, is very true. There is such a glaring need for folks who can advocate for those that cannot for themselves. Also sadly, it will never be enough…
And the very same social worker that WOULD be advocating for someone who can't are those who have been trained to prevent suicides.

They have a very hard time adjusting to the concept of "not all voluntary deaths are suicides".
 
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And the very same social worker that WOULD be advocating for someone who can't are those who have been trained to prevent suicides.

They have a very hard time adjusting to the concept of "not all voluntary deaths are suicides".
Yes, and that's a matter of training, which will come with shifting attitudes. All of this is new, and will take some time. Not helpful to those in need right now, I know, but there it is…
 
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Yes, and that's a matter of training, which will come with shifting attitudes. All of this is new, and will take some time. Not helpful to those in need right now, I know, but there it is…
Maybe that is going to be my raison d'être going forward.

Calmly, clearheaded and eloquently explain to my healthcare providers why MAID is beneficial for people suffering from mental illness.

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[Nor should someone be eligible when they're actively in crisis. That's the time for crisis intervention, not offing oneself. Crisis, after all, is temporary, and decisions like leaving should be made after a period of reflection, in the cool light of day.]

Sounds good in print, but in the long cold hellfire of day, hopelessly suffering people often deeply regret not seizing the desperate surge of boldness of a dark night of the soul. Some people can kill themselves in a mood of calm cold determination, but many can't, and there's no reason that everyone should be able to kill themselves in the same way.
 
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Well, shit. That totally sucks. At least I have peaceful options but I'd much rather have someone with me.

Thanks for letting me know.
Maybe suicide marriages could be an idea? .."..until death do you part." "Yeah, Chief, that'd be Sat. abt 4:30"
 
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I think there's a really obvious answer to this.

What matters is that someone has consistently held the view that life does not feel worth living for quite some time, and that they have tried a significant number of treatments available to them.

What has to be considered is some people are unlikely to ever get some treatments made available to them, either because of law or lack of money. This absolutely should not disqualify then from MAID. Why should someone have to suffer all their life because of unhumane laws or lack of money?

If, say, someone for 10-20 years has not once in that time, believed that life has positive value for them, that's one check point that should qualify them for MAID.

If, a person has ALSO tried many medications and therapy, the best options available to them most likely to work, over 10-20 years, but nothing had worked, then the chance of anything new coming along in a reasonable amount of time that could help them is slim to none.

I think after trying medications and consistently wanting to die for 20 years should be more than enough proof that that person is suffering enough, and has less than sufficient hope for recovery, so should be allowed to die.

Just because mood disorders make someone pessimistic should not invalidate the fact that they don't hold positive value in life. Suffering for an extended period is proof in itself that any pessimism is clearly warranted, and the desire to die is valid.

I don't understand why this approach isn't considered. It seems incredibly obvious to me as an extremely valid approach that absolutely validates one's will to die as being rational and actionable.
 
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Its most certainly that they will give priority to those that are more a burden for them and that are not filling their pockets with money. Humans always known for that
 
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To answer the question in the title, all people should have the right to euthanasia. Why should people be forced to live against their wishes. People should not have to resort to risky and painful methods to end their suffering. We have no obligations to stay alive as we did not ask to exist.
I feel like this is kind of dangerous though, what if people make a impulsive decision when they could be living a happy life if they just waited a month? I think there should be a limit or like a screening process.
 
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I will be more than happy to volunteer
 
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It's like abortion or sex ed. Just because you restrict access doesn't mean people are gonna stop doing it. They're just gonna resort to less safe methods.
 

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