Creating an alternative to DMC

[littleraccoon3]

First of all, my English may be a little broken, I use a translation program, if you don't understand, please ask.
Hello, it is very easy to reach SN in my country and 1 kg of SN to Europe, individual shipping fee, is about 70-75 dollars. Of course, these prices will decrease as the amount decreases.

I think that sites like DMC have become a place where people like us use their personal information such as their needs, payment methods, etc. a lot, transaction fees are high. For these reasons, there is a lot of fraud among other members, in fact, like SASU or the member who sold .N. in the past? Can't we create a site just for us or can't we determine a person? I am ready to talk to a moderator for this. We will both prevent fraud among members and create a secure formation that can be managed by moderators. I am ready to share all the information and ideas about this issue with the moderators because everyone is losing a lot of money both on the dark web and among members, can I please talk to a moderator about this issue?

Definitely do not ask me for a link for SN. I will not take this responsibility without the approval of the administrators. In general, I am talking about an idea that is easily accessible to everyone and can be under the control of administrators.

 

[boxingbeagle]

It all comes down to Liability. For example, galaxy gas took down their entire site and stopped nitrous sales because of their "blow up" which caused many more deaths - many individuals are pointing their finger at Galaxy Gas because they were selling their "Whipped cream cartridges" to smoke shops.

The same thing applies here - if a SaSu member created a site (let's call it BusStop) that sells things like exit bags, SN, etc., the deaths connected to BusStop would of course have family , friends, and pro-life activists calling it out and that's legal trouble that would require a pretty stacked lawyer.


I think the best workaround and that's one of the members "opens their own butcher or meat curing shop" (It's commonly known SN is a curing agent for meats like bacon or beef)
to get the licensing/business requirements for suppliers, and anyone who would regularly shop on BusStop, coincidentally can develop a hobby in meat curing.

I remember a few years ago there was a scuba instructor (now at peace) who got quite a few people connected with scuba gear. Same concept.

It sure would be nice to have a couple more sources. Dmc web traffic is highest it's been too - I don't know if that's good or bad, but it's definitely a sign more people are learning about it.

 

[RCantCope]

I'm only just learning about it too, through this website. I can't seem to find where most people are getting their top information from though. it's hard to decipher words like DMC, CTB and SN.
I got there tho lol

 

[rozeske]

It can be a personal wish of an individual, doing what they wish to help the community or whatever, doing all the work, taking full responsibility and liability, which isn't a piece of cake btw, but the site can not be involved in such activity. It's getting heat left and right for just providing a safe space to discuss suicide and things surrounding it, what do you honestly think what you're suggesting would do?

 

[littleraccoon3]

It all comes down to Liability. For example, galaxy gas took down their entire site and stopped nitrous sales because of their "blow up" which caused many more deaths - many individuals are pointing their finger at Galaxy Gas because they were selling their "Whipped cream cartridges" to smoke shops.

The same thing applies here - if a SaSu member created a site (let's call it BusStop) that sells things like exit bags, SN, etc., the deaths connected to BusStop would of course have family , friends, and pro-life activists calling it out and that's legal trouble that would require a pretty stacked lawyer.


I think the best workaround and that's one of the members "opens their own butcher or meat curing shop" (It's commonly known SN is a curing agent for meats like bacon or beef)
to get the licensing/business requirements for suppliers, and anyone who would regularly shop on BusStop, coincidentally can develop a hobby in meat curing.

I remember a few years ago there was a scuba instructor (now at peace) who got quite a few people connected with scuba gear. Same concept.

It sure would be nice to have a couple more sources. Dmc web traffic is highest it's been too - I don't know if that's good or bad, but it's definitely a sign more people are learning about it.

Of course, I'm not saying that it's direct selling when they think about it legally, but there was an honest seller here on ppheps who sold N, everyone was buying from him and his email was in the help booklets The same can be done on SN, that's what I'm talking about. If I create my own website, of course with the permission of the moderators, I think it would be the safer alternative. Since I'm in the Middle East, selling SN is completely legal
I hope I explained myself.

 

[Kali_Yuga13]

Honestly while your heart may be in the right place a shadow marketplace managed by the mods could subject anyone involved to RICO laws in the US and not only that but leave them subject to charges that could result from facilitating a suicide. In addition to that lets say someone fails but needs lengthy medical care, a civil suit could result in hundreds of thousands or even millions in judgments which would shut this place down.

It's a huge conflict of interest for the owner and mods of this site to offer a discussion forum and also provide a direct path to a "solution" in the form of substances that cause death. So for now, lone wolf suppliers and word of mouth is the safest bet for everyone involved.

Honestly while your heart may be in the right place a shadow marketplace managed by the mods could subject anyone involved to RICO laws in the US and not only that but leave them subject to charges that could result from facilitating a suicide. In addition to that lets say someone fails but needs lengthy medical care, a civil suit could result in hundreds of thousands or even millions in judgments which would shut this place down.

It's a huge conflict of interest for the owner and mods of this site to offer a discussion forum and also provide a direct path to a "solution" in the form of substances that cause death. So for now, lone wolf suppliers and word of mouth is the safest bet for everyone involved.

To add: Independent sellers assume a lot of risk that I quite frankly see members abusing as evidenced by an endless stream of unnecessary posts flaunting their assumed handle or abbreviation. These type of posts lack discretion.
ie:
"I just ordered from ABC today, it's on the way!
Tracking my ABC order, it says 2 days, do you think it will arrive?
I can't wait for ABC, how about you?
Do you think ABC is a bad person?
I got ABC but now I'm having second thoughts

...etc

 

[stella68]

Innanzitutto, il mio inglese potrebbe essere un po' stentato, utilizzo un programma di traduzione, se non capite, chiedete pure.
Ciao, è molto facile raggiungere SN nel mio paese e 1 kg di SN in Europa, spese di spedizione individuali, sono circa 70-75 dollari. Naturalmente, questi prezzi diminuiranno man mano che la quantità diminuisce.

Penso che siti come DMC siano diventati un luogo in cui persone come noi usano molto le loro informazioni personali come le loro esigenze, metodi di pagamento, ecc., le commissioni di transazione sono elevate. Per queste ragioni, ci sono molte frodi tra gli altri membri, in effetti, come SASU o il membro che ha venduto .N. in passato? Non possiamo creare un sito solo per noi o non possiamo determinare una persona? Sono pronto a parlare con un moderatore per questo. Entrambi impediremo le frodi tra i membri e creeremo una formazione sicura che può essere gestita dai moderatori. Sono pronto a condividere tutte le informazioni e le idee su questo problema con i moderatori perché tutti stanno perdendo un sacco di soldi sia sul dark web che tra i membri, posso per favore parlare con un moderatore di questo problema?

Sicuramente non chiedetemi un link per SN. Non mi assumerò questa responsabilità senza l'approvazione degli amministratori. In generale, sto parlando di un'idea che è facilmente accessibile a tutti e può essere sotto il controllo degli amministratori.

la tua idea e' molto interessante, facci sapere se ci sono sviluppi!

 

[Forever Sleep]

Is assisting a suicide not illegal in the Middle East? It seems to be via a quick Google search. If you knowingly sell products to people with full knowledge they intend to kill themselves with them, I imagine that's what they'd try to charge you with. If you end up being tricked into selling to a minor, I imagine they'd pursue murder charges.

I don't think any seller of something like SN- which does have other non-lethal uses would want to be associated with this site. Because it demonstrates clear knowledge of what the product is being bought for. I don't think our mods would want to be connected to the actual purchase of suicide aides and actual suicide deaths.

I'm sure your intentions are kind but I think you'd be putting yourself in enormous risk.

Out of interest- how would you ascertain whether a person is of sound mind to buy a product and end their life? Would you bother about verifying their age? That would require ID. Which in itself throws up the issue of- Why are you needing to verify ID? Are you aware that they might be trying to kill themselves?