Story Denied Therapy For Being Suicidal

[WaitingForTheBusInTh]

So I keep being told I need to actually try to get help. And I have. I just get shut down at every turn.

I tried to get a psychiatrist, which requires a referral from a family doctor. I live a fair bit away from my family doc and they said they don't know any psychiatrists where I live and so I'd have to get a name for them. I used every website I could find, trying to find longterm care. There was no one taking patients, in one of the biggest cities in the province. So I looked at short term, they're all associated with the hospitals. Finally I find a website connected to one of the hospitals that I can have my family doc send the referral to. I tell her the website, and that she just needs to print off the form, fill it out, and fax it. 3 weeks pass. I call to see if they'd heard anything back and they forgot I'd ever told them the website! If I was as bad at my job as they are at theirs, I'd be fired! I told them to forget it.

My mom sent me a link for government funded therapy online, and I applied. Denied. They don't do suicidal people aparently.

LMAO. They won't help someone who's at the end of their rope but they'll help people with less severe issues?!?! We've just had mental health awareness week or whatever! Mental health awareness unless you're actually mentally ill and we'd have to actually do something about it. Mental health awareness unless you act mentally ill which is an inconvenience.

 

[Sadism]

They do that to escape facing any social repercussions in case you still off yourself after the therapy.

 

[WaitingForTheBusInTh]

They do that to escape facing any social repercussions in case you still off yourself after the therapy.

I even included in my application that I was planning to wait for medically assisted death to become available and go with that lmao. What a farce

 

[bed]

i had the same problem getting into therapy, "you're too suicidal". I just lied on those questionnaires to get in because i was desperate. I asked about the reasoning and apparently, it's because you are not caple of doing the work needed for therapy to help...lol. Like i just don't get it. If you get put into a psych ward your thoughts aren't going to change and if you have a treatment-resistant mental illness i guess you're just fucked because you'll be too suicidal for any therapy according to them.

I've even had caseworkers tell me to lower my scores on those questionnaires for the very reason. It's such a joke. My sympathy to you, it's incredibly hard to reach out for help. I'm sorry the system is so designed so incredibly bad for those that desperately need help.

 

[FTL.Wanderer]

They won't help someone who's at the end of their rope but they'll help people with less severe issues?

The sugar-N-spice therapy ads won't acknowledge this. Or that they can/will fire you for being suicidal. So much for "get help!"

 

[Feeding Pigeons]

My mom sent me a link for government funded therapy online, and I applied. Denied. They don't do suicidal people aparently.

Absolutely disgusting. I've experienced similar things. I've found that admitting you're suicidal and that much in pain will make everyone point you towards putting yourself into a psych ward. Always. With no exception. They have to turn you down, if you were accepted as a patient and then CTB they would be directly responsible. Nobody will risk that for you, ever. This is the world we live in.

 

[FuneralCry]

I'm sorry you are going through this. It sounds frustrating. It is hypocritical when they constantly push the idea that you must get help and then they do this. We all deserve to get the help we need. At least you have the option of euthanasia though, if I did, I would find it comforting knowing that if I couldn't take it anymore, I would get a peaceful exit from this life. I wish you the best.

 

[WaitingForTheBusInTh]

I'm sorry you are going through this. It sounds frustrating. It is hypocritical when they constantly push the idea that you must get help and then they do this. We all deserve to get the help we need. At least you have the option of euthanasia though, if I did, I would find it comforting knowing that if I couldn't take it anymore, I would get a peaceful exit from this life. I wish you the best.

Thanks much. Dont have access yet, not until 2023. But at this point I'm starting to think they'd deny me that too, so I'm considering other options again

 

[sadpinky]

this is a clear example of what's wrong with online therapy. This person clearly didn't listen to me. I don't have a live in GF , I was discharged last year today from a Well fare call that ended me in the hospital. I don't use my 3 day plan and I never feel better after. Smh is it just me?

 

[ALifeNotWorthLiving]

Those therapists are pussies. Imagine if firemen stopped going into firing buildings and only rescued kittens from trees.
This is exactly what those therapists are.

 

[demuic]

This just shows that all of the talk about "help is out there" is really just talk. If someone has more than moderate issues they're fucked and left on their own.

Therapy really is just geared toward minor problems, most therapists are incompetent and don't want to do the work of dealing with a "difficult" patient who's problems can't be solved by mindless reptitions of cognitive behavior therapy.

Mental health awareness unless you're actually mentally ill and we'd have to actually do something about it. Mental health awareness unless you act mentally ill which is an inconvenience.

This describes the mental health industry in a nutshell, really. What a sad state of affairs. It only serves to make those preaching mental health awareness feel good about themselves and to make the mental health industry richer.

Those therapists are pussies. Imagine if firemen stopped going into firing buildings and only rescued kittens from trees.
This is exactly what those therapists are.

So well put.

 

[PeacefulTonic]

Yeah I'm not even gonna bother with therapy. I know they can't help me. Everything is unfixable. And I'm suicidal, they don't want that on their conscience, and they probably won't even take me in as a patient because of that.

After I told a couple friends that I just want them to understand, listen to me vent until I die, and anything they say or do won't change my mind, they've suggested therapy as a last ditch effort. Only because "they are paid professionals, and it's their job." I suppose I can't blame them. But I know it won't change anything. I can't wait until everything is in order so I can finally leave this place

 

[FTL.Wanderer]

After I told a couple friends that I just want them to understand, listen to me vent until I die, and anything they say or do won't change my mind, they've suggested therapy as a last ditch effort.

Every time I've opened up to long-time friends about my feelings, even though I've watered down what I'm feeling, they've vanished immediately after. Every. Single. Time. Once, after college, my "best friend" had me institutionalized. She, doing her psychiatry residency, called the cops on me when I told her how I felt. After I was released from the degrading forced hold, she commanded me never to speak to her again.

Lesson learned: keep my big mouth shut.

Therapy really is just geared toward minor problems, most therapists are incompetent and don't want to do the work of dealing with a "difficult" patient who's problems can't be solved by mindless reptitions of cognitive behavior therapy.

You made my day. I woke up, after a fitful three hours of "sleep," depressed to have to start another day. Then I read your post. How fulfilling and gratifying to read that you understand. Giant hug to you.

 

[PeacefulTonic]

Every time I've opened up to long-time friends about my feelings, even though I've watered down what I'm feeling, they've vanished immediately after. Every. Single. Time. Once, after college, my "best friend" had me institutionalized. She, doing her psychiatry residency, called the cops on me when I told her how I felt. After I was released from the degrading forced hold, she commanded me never to speak to her again.

Lesson learned: keep my big mouth shut.

I guess I'm one of the lucky few here. I have a couple good friends that try to be understanding and keep things to themselves

 

[WaitingForTheBusInTh]

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this is a clear example of what's wrong with online therapy. This person clearly didn't listen to me. I don't have a live in GF , I was discharged last year today from a Well fare call that ended me in the hospital. I don't use my 3 day plan and I never feel better after. Smh is it just me?

Jesus..... well I'm glad I've not yet tried for BetterHelp. So sorry that this was your experience. I find it so hard to believe that they dont see what they're really saying when they say stuff like this. Like how far up your own ass do you have to be to see that sort of statement as helpful

 

[KuriGohan&Kamehameha]

You all should put these Better Help tossers on blast when another ad of theirs interrupts your browsing. Let others know exactly how they treat suicidal people, how they view us as unruly liabilities rather than real people with dehabilitating problems that transcend surface level niceties.

There's a paradox in the mental healthcare industry, in the sense that others will shout from the rooftops that therapy and psychiatry is a safe place to spill your greatest suffering and weaknesses, yet the reality couldn't be further from the truth.

You may reveal your pain up to the point of social acceptability. Once you toe the line, for example, divulging in suicidal ideation, or coming clean about how something like CBT isn't making so much as a dent in your severe complex trauma or horrific socioeconomic circumstances, then they panic and start prioritising the liability of their practice.

Genuine concern for other humans shouldn't require beurocracy, yet the mental health industry is fundamentally structured (like most branches of medicine, although I'd consider psychology and psychiatry to be more akin to a pseudoscience in many cases) around minimising risk, not what would make their clients truly happy or fulfilled.

The entire practice of forced hospitalization is barbaric. I can see the case being made for, say, a serial killer who has been imprisoned under a plea for insanity, and has to be restrained for the safety of OTHERS. Locking up vunerable suicidal people in the same institution as violent criminals should be seen as a human rights violation, yet it happens everyday and no one bats an eye.

They will claim that dismissing you from therapy and encouraging hospitalization is for your safety and wellbeing, but this couldn't be further from the truth. Involuntary hospitalizations to psychiatric wards are useless at best and traumatising at worst. Do these baboons seriously think stripping away a person's bodily autonomy, freedoms, and dignity will cure whatever ails them?

Forcing medication down someone's throat and telling them that they're not right in the head will not make them less suicidal. In many cases, it makes it worse and leave permanent scars. Yes I'm aware not all facilities operate in such a callous manner, but they all follow similar paradigms of 'treatment' that don't tangibly change anything about a person's life.

Sure, you'll get SSRI or antipsychotic #4728291, but I imagine most people are taking similar prescriptions before they end up in a ward in the first place. Suicide is not as impulsive as they let on, it is often a slow burn of misery.

The reality is that the structure of therapy limits it to very specific short term problems or vague constructions like "cognitive distortions/irrational beliefs". When all therapists can provide you with is CBT/DBT workbooks and mindfulness meditation, it should be fairly obvious the system is broken.

However, people will still tell EVERYONE to go to therapy and act like it's a cure all. All the stories that have been shared in this thread prove that current modalities of therapy and the beurocratic policies surrounding them are ill equipped to help suicidal individuals.

Hell, I've even seen ptsd charities turn people away for being suicidal, stating that it was due to the fact you won't be able to be "in the right mindset to do the work" . An added kicker was that the trauma had to have happened over a year ago, as you aren't able to process it so quickly. Where are the studies to back this up? Oh right, there are none, because they made it up to ensure they don't get public backlash if a patient of theirs catches the bus.

This entire system is a massive failure for anyone with complex, or long term issues. No one wants to address this or hear criticisms though. Before the therapy subreddit went private, I saw stories on there of therapists and psychiatric nurses who addmited they had a guilty conscious from being forced to physically or verbally abuse their patients in psychiatric hospitals.

Another therapist lamented that she didn't feel equipped to deal with a homeless client, and the other commenters told her that it wasn't her responsibility to sort this man's life out. I guarentee you though, that the homeless man has been told dozens if not hundreds of times that he needs to go to therapy and fix himself/sort his life out.

Therapy cannot provide the resources and human connections that people need to thrive. As long as others fail to acknowledge this, suicidal people, homeless people, addicts, orphans, the estranged, the impoverished, and the disabled will continue to die. Yet our plight will be blamed on our "broken minds" rather than a broken system.

 

[Rational man]

So I keep being told I need to actually try to get help. And I have. I just get shut down at every turn.

I tried to get a psychiatrist, which requires a referral from a family doctor. I live a fair bit away from my family doc and they said they don't know any psychiatrists where I live and so I'd have to get a name for them. I used every website I could find, trying to find longterm care. There was no one taking patients, in one of the biggest cities in the province. So I looked at short term, they're all associated with the hospitals. Finally I find a website connected to one of the hospitals that I can have my family doc send the referral to. I tell her the website, and that she just needs to print off the form, fill it out, and fax it. 3 weeks pass. I call to see if they'd heard anything back and they forgot I'd ever told them the website! If I was as bad at my job as they are at theirs, I'd be fired! I told them to forget it.

My mom sent me a link for government funded therapy online, and I applied. Denied. They don't do suicidal people aparently.

LMAO. They won't help someone who's at the end of their rope but they'll help people with less severe issues?!?! We've just had mental health awareness week or whatever! Mental health awareness unless you're actually mentally ill and we'd have to actually do something about it. Mental health awareness unless you act mentally ill which is an inconvenience.

You all should put these Better Help tossers on blast when another ad of theirs interrupts your browsing. Let others know exactly how they treat suicidal people, how they view us as unruly liabilities rather than real people with dehabilitating problems that transcend surface level niceties.

There's a paradox in the mental healthcare industry, in the sense that others will shout from the rooftops that therapy and psychiatry is a safe place to spill your greatest suffering and weaknesses, yet the reality couldn't be further from the truth.

You may reveal your pain up to the point of social acceptability. Once you toe the line, for example, divulging in suicidal ideation, or coming clean about how something like CBT isn't making so much as a dent in your severe complex trauma or horrific socioeconomic circumstances, then they panic and start prioritising the liability of their practice.

Genuine concern for other humans shouldn't require beurocracy, yet the mental health industry is fundamentally structured (like most branches of medicine, although I'd consider psychology and psychiatry to be more akin to a pseudoscience in many cases) around minimising risk, not what would make their clients truly happy or fulfilled.

The entire practice of forced hospitalization is barbaric. I can see the case being made for, say, a serial killer who has been imprisoned under a plea for insanity, and has to be restrained for the safety of OTHERS. Locking up vunerable suicidal people in the same institution as violent criminals should be seen as a human rights violation, yet it happens everyday and no one bats an eye.

They will claim that dismissing you from therapy and encouraging hospitalization is for your safety and wellbeing, but this couldn't be further from the truth. Involuntary hospitalizations to psychiatric wards are useless at best and traumatising at worst. Do these baboons seriously think stripping away a person's bodily autonomy, freedoms, and dignity will cure whatever ails them?

Forcing medication down someone's throat and telling them that they're not right in the head will not make them less suicidal. In many cases, it makes it worse and leave permanent scars. Yes I'm aware not all facilities operate in such a callous manner, but they all follow similar paradigms of 'treatment' that don't tangibly change anything about a person's life.

Sure, you'll get SSRI or antipsychotic #4728291, but I imagine most people are taking similar prescriptions before they end up in a ward in the first place. Suicide is not as impulsive as they let on, it is often a slow burn of misery.

The reality is that the structure of therapy limits it to very specific short term problems or vague constructions like "cognitive distortions/irrational beliefs". When all therapists can provide you with is CBT/DBT workbooks and mindfulness meditation, it should be fairly obvious the system is broken.

However, people will still tell EVERYONE to go to therapy and act like it's a cure all. All the stories that have been shared in this thread prove that current modalities of therapy and the beurocratic policies surrounding them are ill equipped to help suicidal individuals.

Hell, I've even seen ptsd charities turn people away for being suicidal, stating that it was due to the fact you won't be able to be "in the right mindset to do the work" . An added kicker was that the trauma had to have happened over a year ago, as you aren't able to process it so quickly. Where are the studies to back this up? Oh right, there are none, because they made it up to ensure they don't get public backlash if a patient of theirs catches the bus.

This entire system is a massive failure for anyone with complex, or long term issues. No one wants to address this or hear criticisms though. Before the therapy subreddit went private, I saw stories on there of therapists and psychiatric nurses who addmited they had a guilty conscious from being forced to physically or verbally abuse their patients in psychiatric hospitals.

Another therapist lamented that she didn't feel equipped to deal with a homeless client, and the other commenters told her that it wasn't her responsibility to sort this man's life out. I guarentee you though, that the homeless man has been told dozens if not hundreds of times that he needs to go to therapy and fix himself/sort his life out.

Therapy cannot provide the resources and human connections that people need to thrive. As long as others fail to acknowledge this, suicidal people, homeless people, addicts, orphans, the estranged, the impoverished, and the disabled will continue to die. Yet our plight will be blamed on our "broken minds" rather than a broken system.

we have a tsunami of mental health issues in England, partly due to the pandemic, amongst children too. I question if our NHS can cope with the volume. I was refereed once to a phone service by my gp. He was a pleasant guy but he kept on talking about the obsession with numbers, like do i think of numbers. Well yes, i was an accounts manager at one point. It was strange...point is im perfectly sane, I think,!.... rational, etc. The problem i have is intractable physical disease.

 

[KuriGohan&Kamehameha]

we have a tsunami of mental health issues in England, partly due to the pandemic, amongst children too. I question if our NHS can cope with the volume. I was refereed once to a phone service by my gp. He was a pleasant guy but he kept on talking about the obsession with numbers, like do i think of numbers. Well yes, i was an accounts manager at one point. It was strange...point is im perfectly sane, I think,!.... rational, etc. The problem i have is intractable physical disease.

I like to call the NHS the no help service. They are making me wait 2 years probably to go to the one specialist service for CFS (who likely can't do anything.)

All they will give me for my physical pain is antidepressants. I am expected to suffer forever and get 0 assistance with my physical disabilities, then it's somehow my fault that I can't cope. It's all a big joke!

 

[Rational man]

I like to call the NHS the no help service. They are making me wait 2 years probably to go to the one specialist service for CFS (who likely can't do anything.)

All they will give me for my physical pain is antidepressants. I am expected to suffer forever and get 0 assistance with my physical disabilities, then it's somehow my fault that I can't cope. It's all a big joke!I fee

I like to call the NHS the no help service. They are making me wait 2 years probably to go to the one specialist service for CFS (who likely can't do anything.)

All they will give me for my physical pain is antidepressants. I am expected to suffer forever and get 0 assistance with my physical disabilities, then it's somehow my fault that I can't cope. It's all a big joke!

No offence but antidepressants are known as the the poor persons therapy. Its cheaper than paying a specialised.doc. My GP seems to prescribe almost anything to get me out of the office. i don't blame gps, I blame.the system and the f xxxxxx
government for mishandling the system. Algorithms seem to be the norm and doctors stripped of their gut instinct. I feel.for you,

 

[tryingtoescape]

Yes! I've been denied therapy for being suicidal too (although I was careful with my words to avoid being locked up.) Therapists have asked me if I had any suicide attempts and because I had one in the past 2 years they considered that recent and said they weren't able to treat me and I needed a different "level of care" and sometimes referred me to local hospitals (which I was traumatized by each time in the past.) I was just being honest as I could. I'm so sick of being given that fucking hotline.

 

[FTL.Wanderer]

although I'd consider psychology and psychiatry to be more akin to a pseudoscience in many cases

This. Many popular and academic publications have rigorously made this argument around the world. But government regulation, as is the case in so much of public policy, has been bought and is far too heavily controlled by the mental health, insurance, and pharmaceutical industries... We have excellent evidence about the social interventions that reduce population mental health illness prevalence AND the policies that drastically increase these illnesses. But even after the evidence and successful pilot programs are put forth, they're voted down (by officials, representatives, not the people).

Speaking out against this, no matter your qualifications and professional history, quickly earns you a scarlet letter. And in today's world of realized Big Brother, your publications are almost instantly censored. No need for a public debate when one side has been erased from the public's view. Mental health won't improve because it doesn't serve the government or corporate moguls to improve it. There are enough of us to do what the overlords need done, and the rest of us are content so long as our tiny circles seem to be OK.