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Michi_Violeta

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Something happened yesterday night that dealt the last blow to my hopes of having the life I wanted. My ex is already making future plans with the asshole she replaced me with and I just cannot see a future in which I'm happy after having gone through all this. It's time to make future plans for myself and I've made up my mind: I'll ctb by the end of the month or beginning of the next. I've shared with you my emotions leading me there and you've been quite empathetic for which I'll be eternally thankful. I've also received some feedback on my methods so I'll try to combine everything in just one thread, focusing for now on how to select a method and which protocol to follow.

Urgent questions

1. Amitriptyline vs chloroquine overdose: which one is best?
2. Replacement for benzodiazepam: is zopiclone a suitable alternative to sedate myself before the pain of the overdose kicks in?

Method: it's been impossible to find SN locally and my timeframe doesn't allow me ordering from DMC. I have to available methods based on the PPH: overdosing either on amitriptyline or chloroquine. I made a thread before about ODing on amitriptyline and various members advised against it. I now realize that the amount of pills needed is too high and I still have less than half of the 10 grams required by the PPH. Then I read the section on chloroquine: apparently I don't even need a prescription for it (will try on Monday to order a couple of packs) and I require considerably less pills. It's also got a considerably higher reliability rating on the PPH, albeit a slightly lower peacefulness score. This makes the sedative essential and, sadly, I haven't been able to acquire it because I have limited choices: zopiclone being the most likely. I already got hold of metoclopramide and will be using it as indicated.

Protocol: regardless of method, I'll follow the PPH unless there are better recommendations here based on evidence or successful cases of people fortunate enough to be now out of this fucking cruel world.

Preparations: so far, besides getting the pills, my only preparations have been informing my closest and most beloved that I've made a choice and that it's not their fault. I have no idea how to proceed on the rest, although I have planned writing a will, leaving some goodbye notes, and a playlist for my funeral. I would commit suicide in a hotel room, but I'd still need to find a way to leave home without raising too much suspicion and informing someone of my location ONLY after enough time has passed and there's no chance of being rescued. In this sense, I'll also take into account speed for choosing a method (although, sadly, both score just 2/5 on the PPH).

Thank you very much everyone for reading and for this beautiful space of understanding and empathy, where we're not judged for our feelings or called selfish simply because we want a dignified exit from what we're each suffering. Any input is very much appreciated!
 
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Shameless bump because I'm really curious about any experiences with chloroquine and the suitability of zopiclone as a sedative. Maybe I'd have to take the zopiclone earlier, but in what dose?
 
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I hope you find peace from suffering, I wish you the best.
 
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UPDATE AND BUMP:

Already wrote down a will and testament, it was...surprisingly easy, but I still feel heavy after having done so. I'm having some doubts, but I think I'll have to power through because the reasons motivating me to ctb are still there: I don't want life to continue after what has happened to me and I don't want to carry this hurt for the rest of my life nor I have the willpower to heal them.

I'm still unclear on which drug would be better or if zopiclone is a viable alternative for benzos. PLEASE SOMEONE REPLY ON THIS MATTER. I don't know if this is against the rules somehow or if I should post it in another section, please let me know if this is the case, but I urgently need some answers in that regard.


I hope you find peace from suffering, I wish you the best.

Thank you very much, it's what brings us all together here <3
 
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BUMP

Guys, please, I'm desperate for answers and info on regards to chloroquine and on using zopiclone as a sedative. Don't ignore me SaSu, you're the only ones I can trust with this 🥺
 
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Michi_Violeta

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Guys, I'm desperate, please: if for whatever reason my pain or my reasons are not valid enough for you, ok, fine, say so. But I feel so helpless being ignored here, a place I thought was a safe haven without judgment. I'm scared, like anyone facing their final decision, and not being sure about the drugs I'm taking only makes it worse.

Info on zopiclone and chloroquine, it's all I need for now. I beg you, SaSu!
 
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Michi_Violeta

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Guys, I'm desperate, please: if for whatever reason my pain or my reasons are not valid enough for you, ok, fine, say so. But I feel so helpless being ignored here, a place I thought was a safe haven without judgment. I'm scared, like anyone facing their final decision, and not being sure about the drugs I'm taking only makes it worse.

Info on zopiclone and chloroquine, it's all I need for now. I beg you, SaSu!
I feel like I'm screaming into the void here and it's particularly painful because I really appreciate this community. Please, guys, if I broke some unwritten rule or I'm being too annoying just say so, please, but I have no idea where else to find information on the matter.

If the methods I'm considering are not recommended at all, then please say so too, ANYTHING. I NEED TO SUCCESSFULLY AND EFFECTIVELY CTB BY THE END OF THE MONTH. PLEASE I'M BEGGING YOU.
 
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I'm really sorry I don't know anything about overdosing on either of those drugs but I just wanted to comment to say I hear you and im sorry you're struggling x
 
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I'm really sorry I don't know anything about overdosing on either of those drugs but I just wanted to comment to say I hear you and im sorry you're struggling x
Hey there, no worries, I still appreciate you replying <3 I received some zopiclone today, but still not sure about it's effects compared to benzos :c
 
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Hey there, no worries, I still appreciate you replying <3 I received some zopiclone today, but still not sure about it's effects compared to benzos :c
I've overdosed on zopiclone many times, sometimes trying to kill myself and sometimes just to get high. I think the most I've done is in the mid 10s. Sometimes concerned friends have taken me to hospital and sometimes I've just rode it out at home. It's never had any kind of effect aside from heavy sleep, whenever I've been to hospital they've just monitored me but essentially told me you can't overdose on it
 
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bump for visibility. hope someone who knows more spots this.
 
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I've overdosed on zopiclone many times, sometimes trying to kill myself and sometimes just to get high. I think the most I've done is in the mid 10s. Sometimes concerned friends have taken me to hospital and sometimes I've just rode it out at home. It's never had any kind of effect aside from heavy sleep, whenever I've been to hospital they've just monitored me but essentially told me you can't overdose on it
Oh, not thinking on zopiclone for the OD, but rather as a sedative so it can make me fall asleep while the chloroquine does it's job.

In your experience with zopiclone, how long did it take to have an effect and how strong was it? It'd be really helpful info! :)
 
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Bumping for you as well!❤️
 
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Michi_Violeta

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Feb 3, 2025
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Chloroquine arrived today. 2 x 20 packs with 250mg tablets.

Have the meto. Could only get zopiclone as sedative, 30 x 7,5 mg.

Tomorrow my mother wants to talk to me about this. I'm scared she'll tell me to kill her too. A friend said he'd try talking to my ex without telling her I'm suicidal and she's the only one that can help.

PLEASE PEOPLE, I NEED SOME HELP STILL. ANY LITERATURE OR KNOWLEDGE OR EXPERIENCE WITH CHLOROQUINE IS SORELY NEEDED.

SAME WITH THE ZOPICLONE. I NEED TO KNOW IF TAKING IT BEFORE THE ZOPICLONE WILL ENSURE DYING IN MY SLEEP.

I beg you, SaSu, I feel heavy. I feel running out of will, trapped. Please help me plan a dignified exit.
 
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this study found that 7 out of 44 patients died.

I'm not exactly sure but the abstract appears to suggest that the amount you ingest isn't actually significantly correlated with mortality: instead, the peak blood concentration is significantly correlated with mortality.
Around a quarter ingested more than 5g. Even with "massive ingestion" which I assume means >5g, mortality was ≤10% (not very good odds).

This study also defines severe chloroquine poisoning as >5g. 10/11 survived.

It appears that if you're put on a ventilator and given epinephrin and diazepam you have very good odds of surviving even a very large overdose.
 
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this study found that 7 out of 44 patients died.

I'm not exactly sure but the abstract appears to suggest that the amount you ingest isn't actually significantly correlated with mortality: instead, the peak blood concentration is significantly correlated with mortality.
Around a quarter ingested more than 5g. Even with "massive ingestion" which I assume means >5g, mortality was ≤10% (not very good odds).

This study also defines severe chloroquine poisoning as >5g. 10/11 survived.

It appears that if you're put on a ventilator and given epinephrin and diazepam you have very good odds of surviving even a very large overdose.
Well, fuck. Thank you very much for the information, truly, if anything you've saved me a very painful and demoralizing trip to the ER. Honestly, why does this have to be so fucking hard? ;-; Why is life an obligation? I don't understand why they list it on the PPH if there's such a high rate of survival, it's scary it shouldn't even be considered as a method for euthanasia.

Fuck, fuck, fuck, I DON'T WANT TO BE IN THIS FUCKING WORLD WHY IS EVERYTHING SO HARD WHY AM I FUCKING FORCED TO DO EVERYTHING AGAINST MY WILL?

So what now? According to the PPH chloroquine was supposed to be more reliable than amitriptyline so that's probably a no go as well. SN is nigh impossible to get here, got no access to firearms, and I'm too clumsy and coward to hang myself up. Really no idea where to go from here and it's so fucking disappointing it only furthers my resolve to get out of this fucking world.
 
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UPDATE AND BUMP

Ok, back to the drawing board, but I honestly don't know where to start. Amitriptyline and chloroquine seem to be a no go, no idea why the fuck they're on the PPH in the first place, but I've made my choice and I want to carry on. So, again. No firearms, no trains. Too clumsy and afraid to hang myself.

Is there any other prescription drug that can can cause you an overdose and kill you in your sleep?


I'll try again to find some SN, but it'll be very hard to source locally and I'm not sure I'll be able to get it from DMC before I chicken out. I don't want to get better. I don't want to try again. I want to die on this hill and leave this world with whatever dignity I have left. Today my mother talked with me, she says she wants to try and talk with my ex, but I know she won't come back. I told her how I feel, why I feel this way, that it wasn't her fault, that nothing was ever her fault, that I just...can't go on like this, broken and hopeless, my heart and my dreams in a million pieces I just don't have the energy to put together again. It's hard, it's really hard, some days I feel a bit better, but I know what I want to do and I will do it. As one of my favorite short stories says: "My body can feel scared, I can not."
 
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I'm sorry, I know very little about these methods and have never even heard of the medication you're referring to for the sedative except maybe one other time also in this forum. But from what I can tell, there aren't any great overdose options that are prescription drugs. Additionally, switching out benzos with other non prescription sedatives seems not that great as they don't do the same thing.
 
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Michi_Violeta

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Feb 3, 2025
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BUMP AND UPDATE

Well, back to the drawing board. Brain getting better, heart definitely not. I feel like my mind is betraying my essence and forcing me to move on and heal. It doesn't feel like healing, it feels like being forced: as if life was an obligation and to keep on living is just accepting everything no matter how shitty it is, just absolute impotence and lack of agency. I think I found a local source of SN (FINALLY!) but it doesn't seem to be food grade, so again, here comes a question in bold and underlined letters:

Is laboratory grade SN viable to ctb or does it need to be food grade? Is it what I need long as it says NaNO2?
Here's the link of the manufacturer that a local supplier sells. Do you think it could work? It's not even expensive, around $40USD for 500 g which sounds a bit too good to be true considering the prices from other sources discussed here.


As always, I'm begging you guys. I DO NOT WANT TO RECOVER, I DO NOT WANT THINGS TO GET BETTER, AND I DON'T WANT TO MOVE ON. I want to finally have something in my life to go like I planned it instead of life forcing its bullshit on me and everyone telling me "Oh, that's life, deal with it."

I'm sorry, I know very little about these methods and have never even heard of the medication you're referring to for the sedative except maybe one other time also in this forum. But from what I can tell, there aren't any great overdose options that are prescription drugs. Additionally, switching out benzos with other non prescription sedatives seems not that great as they don't do the same thing.

Well, I do have a prescription sedative (zopiclone) it's just not a benzo. I'm really worried it won't be enough to keep me asleep while the SN does its job. Still, thank you very much for your empathy and for the bump <3
 
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Michi_Violeta

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Shameless bump because I'm desperate for info. Any help is, as always, appreciated because I'd prefer to order the SN as soon as possible.
 
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ladylazarus4

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May 12, 2024
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BUMP AND UPDATE

Well, back to the drawing board. Brain getting better, heart definitely not. I feel like my mind is betraying my essence and forcing me to move on and heal. It doesn't feel like healing, it feels like being forced: as if life was an obligation and to keep on living is just accepting everything no matter how shitty it is, just absolute impotence and lack of agency. I think I found a local source of SN (FINALLY!) but it doesn't seem to be food grade, so again, here comes a question in bold and underlined letters:

Is laboratory grade SN viable to ctb or does it need to be food grade? Is it what I need long as it says NaNO2?
Here's the link of the manufacturer that a local supplier sells. Do you think it could work? It's not even expensive, around $40USD for 500 g which sounds a bit too good to be true considering the prices from other sources discussed here.


As always, I'm begging you guys. I DO NOT WANT TO RECOVER, I DO NOT WANT THINGS TO GET BETTER, AND I DON'T WANT TO MOVE ON. I want to finally have something in my life to go like I planned it instead of life forcing its bullshit on me and everyone telling me "Oh, that's life, deal with it."

98% pure SN from a reliable manufacturer would certainly work, but how do you plan on actually getting it? I can't even see how to buy it on the website. I highly doubt any reliable seller would sell to a layperson. I mean, you could try I guess. I understand you're in a rush but death is quite literally forever- better to wait a bit longer for a method. So why not DMC? You'd spend longer (and probably be fruitless) trying to find an alternate method of overdose than it'd take to get the product from DMC. Believe me- many have tried to find reliable ODs and they're really just not out there.

Also- the reason no one is replying to you is not because they want to discourage you from CTBing. It's because we don't really have answers for you.
 
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98% pure SN from a reliable manufacturer would certainly work, but how do you plan on actually getting it? I can't even see how to buy it on the website. I highly doubt any reliable seller would sell to a layperson. I mean, you could try I guess. I understand you're in a rush but death is quite literally forever- better to wait a bit longer for a method. So why not DMC? You'd spend longer (and probably be fruitless) trying to find an alternate method of overdose than it'd take to get the product from DMC. Believe me- many have tried to find reliable ODs and they're really just not out there.

Also- the reason no one is replying to you is not because they want to discourage you from CTBing. It's because we don't really have answers for you.
Thanks again for your reply! That's just the manufacturer's website, the actual supplier sells SN from that manufacturer and is a local online store for lab supplies (beakers, reagents, etc.). They offer shipping, in-store pickups, and don't mention anything about licenses or bulk sales. I tried contacting them on WhatsApp for a question yesterday, but they probably don't work Saturdays so I'll try again tomorrow. If that fails, then I'll go for DMC.

I also understand the reason for people not replying now that you mention it, but I'm getting really anxious and it's...the silence, I don't know, it makes you feel even more desperate. I apologize everyone if I get annoying, I'm just really conflicted with this all and don't want to end up with a failed attempt if I go through this.
 
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98% pure SN from a reliable manufacturer would certainly work, but how do you plan on actually getting it? I can't even see how to buy it on the website. I highly doubt any reliable seller would sell to a layperson. I mean, you could try I guess. I understand you're in a rush but death is quite literally forever- better to wait a bit longer for a method. So why not DMC? You'd spend longer (and probably be fruitless) trying to find an alternate method of overdose than it'd take to get the product from DMC. Believe me- many have tried to find reliable ODs and they're really just not out there.

Also- the reason no one is replying to you is not because they want to discourage you from CTBing. It's because we don't really have answers for you.
Hello there.
I've never known what DMC stood for - any help with that ?
 
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I'd like to know what DMC is...?
It used to be the acronym for a reliable supplier of sodium nitrite. I think the website is down now and it came back under another name.
 
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frommolecules2stars

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Dec 23, 2024
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I'd like to know what DMC is...?
The new website acronym is DSL. I recommend using Yandex as a search engine rather than Google.. set your location to Ukraine.

To OP: if either of those SN suppliers fail, I would recommend downloading the app IndiaMART. May be useful, just check reviews.
 
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The new website acronym is DSL. I recommend using Yandex as a search engine rather than Google.. set your location to Ukraine.

To OP: if either of those SN suppliers fail, I would recommend downloading the app IndiaMART. May be useful, just check reviews.
Ty ty ty!
 
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Thanks again for your reply! That's just the manufacturer's website, the actual supplier sells SN from that manufacturer and is a local online store for lab supplies (beakers, reagents, etc.). They offer shipping, in-store pickups, and don't mention anything about licenses or bulk sales. I tried contacting them on WhatsApp for a question yesterday, but they probably don't work Saturdays so I'll try again tomorrow. If that fails, then I'll go for DMC.

I also understand the reason for people not replying now that you mention it, but I'm getting really anxious and it's...the silence, I don't know, it makes you feel even more desperate. I apologize everyone if I get annoying, I'm just really conflicted with this all and don't want to end up with a failed attempt if I go through this.
Did it work??

Also, I totally get what you mean about the silence. I know what it feels like to be desperate- I hope I wasn't too harsh or blunt.
 
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