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Imhopeless

Imhopeless

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Jul 24, 2023
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There's a difference between having depression and feeling depressed, so question arise whether being suicidal is a symptom of depression or a cause of being depressed (If that makes any sense)

I doubt I have depression, I know depression isn't something like they show in medias, were person with depression is always sad and self-destructive but I'm pretty sure I don't have depression, instead I just dont want to live anymore. Simple like that.

I'm not sure how to explain my question, I want to know if being seriously suicidal instantly means you have depression and/or if not then why are you suicidal if you dont have depression.

Man this is so confusing- I'm sorry lol
 
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EvisceratedJester

EvisceratedJester

|| What Else Could I Be But a Jester ||
Oct 21, 2023
3,785
No, you don't have to have depression to be suicidal. That's a myth. That's also why it bothers me so much when even people on here assume that everyone who is suicidal suffers from it. I've been suicidal throughout a good chunk of my life and I'm not even mentally ill.
 
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HereTomorrow

HereTomorrow

Eternally atoning
Feb 1, 2024
568
I'm not depressed at all anymore (actually, I'm a genuinely neutral/numb person with bursts of happiness), but I live with constant stress and overwhelmed by my past and want the suffering to end because of it.

People can be suicidial due to depression, but in the grand scheme of things, being suicidial means you feel a lack of existence is better than your current existence for whatever reason, such as chronic illness (physical suffering), an abusive household (lack of hope + physical and/or mental abuse), or cultural pressure to conform to an unbearable way of living (being LGBT and told to be normal).
 
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ma0

ma0

How did I get here?
Dec 20, 2024
89
You don't "need depression" to feel suicidal. Some suicidal people don't feel like they suffer from depression, and likewise some people with depression would prefer to live. I'm not sure where you got this idea from but it's wrong.
 
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SomewhereAlongThe

SomewhereAlongThe

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May 17, 2024
141
I would say that I relate to what you're talking about. I don't have depression, but I want to kill myself because of what my future looks like.
 
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eike2838

eike2838

The best time to live is when it's the last day
Dec 25, 2024
14
I guess not. Psychologists are supposed to have a name for anything that is not considered "normal", or it will have a name, so who knows..
 
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Deep Breaths
Aug 25, 2018
622
Just looking around on the forum here should be all the indication anybody needs in order to see that depression doesn't have an exclusive claim to suicidality.

Whatever your reasons might be, they are as valid as anyone else's regardless of whether or not any clinical labels could be applied.
 
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EvisceratedJester

EvisceratedJester

|| What Else Could I Be But a Jester ||
Oct 21, 2023
3,785
I guess not. Psychologists are supposed to have a name for anything that is not considered "normal", or it will have a name, so who knows..
Most of the people who push the idea of being suicidal automatically equating to depression aren't psychologists though, let alone most individuals who work in fields that deal with mental health. It's mostly just random people online and irl who push this narrative.
 
itsbigbraintime

itsbigbraintime

SN Wizard
Feb 14, 2020
78
I don't think so. I wouldn't consider myself depressed (as depressed), I used to be. I still just, maintain a disinterest in being alive. It's a very strange thing that's hard to explain to people, but it falls in line with what you're saying.
 
ijustwishtodie

ijustwishtodie

death will be my ultimate bliss
Oct 29, 2023
5,393
Nah, you don't. You don't even need to be having any issues right now to want an earlier death as you can get to the conclusion of suicide philosophically
 
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JustHere1

JustHere1

In a way, in a shape, in a form.
Dec 21, 2024
46
In my opinion, no. I have been feeling apathetic and angry sometimes but that is due to tragedy I struggle to comprehend even now. Death for me would be temporary so it's more of an escape from here rather than an intimidating finality.
 
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Forever Sleep

Earned it we have...
May 4, 2022
10,164
No. I think maybe the most obvious example is people who are suffering from chronic illness. They may be depressed because of that of course but some will also say things like: 'If only I didn't have this pain, I'd still want to live.' So- some are clearly not depressed if they still have a lust for life but can't realistically fulfill it any longer.

I did receive a diagnosis of mild to moderate depression years ago but I'm not sure either way really- whether I have it. I certainly can function ok in everyday life. It's more that I don't want to!

For those who've never gone for any type of diagnosis though, who might be curious as to what 'they' may assess you to be, they get you to fill in something like this:


It's a very important question to ask though because I also think ideation and the act of suicide is so commonly linked to depression. Which has two major problems:

Firstly that a person's thinking has become negatively skewed. So- they are no longer making accurate assessments on their life and future prospects and therefore- their choice to end their life is possibly unsound (based on an inaccurate assessment of their situation.) I'm not saying I agree with that. I'm just putting across how I believe 'they' (normies, pro-lifers, doctors) see it.

Basically, that having depression means you don't have full mental capacity to be able to make reasonable decisions. (And yet, ironically, they still think we're competent enough to work! Lol! Even if our job involves protecting the lives of others- police, surgeons, bus drivers etc.)

Secondly, that all mental illnesses, including depression are curable. Just phone the helpline, pop a few pills, talk to a therapist- your problems will be over.

So, for me it's a two fold problem. Firstly, they can use a diagnosis of depression or, mental illness as a way to write us off as being mentally incompetant. So-basically- no rights. We're (apparently) so out of control, that we can't make reasonable decisions for ourselves. In the most extreme cases, they can start legally making them for us- sectioning, psychiatric holds etc.

Also, if depression is diagnosed there's maybe not so much sympathy as for someone with an incurable physical illness because- we can get better (apparently.) We just need to find the right treatment and make a bit more effort. They likely won't accept that we may not want to.

I think also, it's important to consider that there are various types of depression. Is it actually a case that someone who's life is going objectively well, who at least used to be happy is suddenly severely struggling? Maybe that is actually depression. Still not certain it can be cured but, it seems a reasonable possibility that could be the right diagnosis.

Or, is a person's low mood in response to their circumstances? Can they realistically change their circumstances? If they can't, I'm not certain masses can be done either! Whether they truly have 'depression' or not. 1 in 3 people at my friend's workplace were on antidepressants and they still sounded very unhappy!

That's what gets me really. Even if it is depression- how can they believe they can always cure it when so many people still suffer long term? I suppose at least they are starting to accept long-term or severe cases at some VAD clinics now. I think it's maybe the biggest hurdle people who aren't suffering with chronic illness who still want out will struggle with in terms of assisted suicide and in general, how people will treat them if they ever find out their wishes.

Sorry for the essay!
 
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CogitoMori

Experienced
Oct 21, 2024
200
I think the difference is in clinical vs situational depression. People may be suicidal because of situational depression, but not be clinically or chronically depressed.
Everyone keeps saying they're not depressed but then describing symptoms of depression, so it's all probably just based on your personal opinion of yourself.
 
dontwakemeup

dontwakemeup

Specialist
Nov 11, 2024
368
I think specialist would like the world to believe anyone suicidal is depressed, out of touch with reality, and anything else they like to dx people with. Yes, you can be suicidal and not depressed. I really dislike the ignorance surrounding this community.

I think we are a community that will never be understood or accepted so they create what they think we are. I think it causes a lot of us to be sad and lonely because we aren't heard and understood.

I'm not depressed at all, I simply hate this life and want to go.
 
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NoPoint2Life

Why is this so hard?
Aug 31, 2024
452
I've never been convinced that I'm actually depressed. Yeah I am currently on Prozac, but that's for my OCD and I'm on something else but that's more for anxiety.

I just have no interest in most things. I don't think that makes me depressed. Due to my OCD I am kind of a clean freak so I am certainly not the type to lay around in bed all day without getting up - not that there's anything wrong with that, I understand there are people who just simply can't get
up. But I have to shower, shampoo and do all those types of things.
Although I would be perfectly happy to never have to leave the house.

And I'm not social. So what? I had a few friends in my school days, then lost touch with all of them after graduation because I didn't really have any interest in having to continue to be social.

And also from the time I was much younger, I was always afraid of what the future would be like especially being that I am an only child. At this point, I am absolutely terrified of it.

I think I've actually learned a lot on sasu in regards to not being depressed and still wanting to CTB for whatever reasons. Some people think life is too scary, not worth living and all the risks, and it's just going to get worse in the future. I've realized I'm part of that thinking.
 
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FuneralCry

FuneralCry

Just wanting some peace
Sep 24, 2020
39,265
For me wanting to die isn't any kind of illness but rather it's just a response to existence, I'll always see existence itself as the problem, I don't see how it's an illness to not want to suffer and prefer the peace of an eternal, dreamless sleep instead, I personally just see existence as an abomination that just causes harm, I see nothing desirable about being burdened with this cruel, futile existence just waiting to die anyway with no limit as to how much one can suffer.

Existence itself truly does feel like the most terrible, horrific tragedy to me, I wish for non-existence as after all there are no disadvantages to sleeping eternally, for me suicide would be suffering prevention as after all if I'm dead I cannot suffer in any way and the way I see it existence just causes suffering all for the sake of it and problems there was never a need for. What I see as the ultimate problem is existence itself and for me ceasing to exist is simply the solution to it, ceasing to exist would save me from all future, unnecessary suffering and I just don't have any interest in suffering at all, I could personally never see any value and point to being conscious in this existence, I'd never wish to be conscious of anything at all.
 
Imhopeless

Imhopeless

Member
Jul 24, 2023
18
There's a difference between having depression and feeling depressed, so question arise whether being suicidal is a symptom of depression or a cause of being depressed (If that makes any sense)

I doubt I have depression, I know depression isn't something like they show in medias, were person with depression is always sad and self-destructive but I'm pretty sure I don't have depression, instead I just dont want to live anymore. Simple like that.

I'm not sure how to explain my question, I want to know if being seriously suicidal instantly means you have depression and/or if not then why are you suicidal if you dont have depression.

Man this is so confusing- I'm sorry lol
Edit: I dont know how to actually edit the post so I'm clearing myself in replies.
I didn't mean to insult or offend anybody! As someone said- as a society we're pushed to believe that suicidal = having depression but I genuinely also dont think so now(thanks to your guys explaining). I'm sorry for misunderstanding, what I wanted to ask was whether being suicidal is somehow connected to actually having depression of any sorts and if not (which I now learned it's just what society came to believe as a fact so its absolutely not true) what causes people to be suicidal, what types of illnesses or if its just genuine in human nature to sometimes want to be dead.
I am suicidal myself and as someone who has absolutely zero knowledge in the field of psychology, as well as dont know any people irl who are also openly suicidal, I became curious what is making me to have these thoughts and want to take such actions.
Again I'm really sorry if I offended anyone with my question but also thank you to all the people that explained it to me.
I'm just confused about who I am and why I am this way, and I think this site can help me understand myself better.
Yet again I'm sorry and I hope you can forgive my lack of knowledge. I really like this community so I dont want to upset anyone
 
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dontwakemeup

Specialist
Nov 11, 2024
368
I'd rather people ask questions then formulate an opinion that's based off your opinions and not knowledge. Like I stated the world simply don't understand us, we are outcast, mentally unstable and blah blah. People believe those pills can cure anything and everything and the reality is that simply isn't true for everyone.
 
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Praestat_Mori

Mori praestat, quam haec pati!
May 21, 2023
11,710
There're r a lot things in life that can make someone suicidal.
 
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Gustav Hartmann

Gustav Hartmann

Warlock
Aug 28, 2021
753
Emile Durkheim identified in 1897 four types of suicide:
Egoistic
Altruistic
Anomic
Fatalistic

This was before psychology invented depression. So it seems to be a question of zeitgeist.
 
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DegenerateLoser

Member
Sep 10, 2024
8
There's a difference between having depression and feeling depressed, so question arise whether being suicidal is a symptom of depression or a cause of being depressed (If that makes any sense)

I doubt I have depression, I know depression isn't something like they show in medias, were person with depression is always sad and self-destructive but I'm pretty sure I don't have depression, instead I just dont want to live anymore. Simple like that.

I'm not sure how to explain my question, I want to know if being seriously suicidal instantly means you have depression and/or if not then why are you suicidal if you dont have depression.

Man this is so confusing- I'm sorry lol
Nope brother, many people here would love to carry on in their lives but are unable to due to unfortunate circumstances (an illness, an accident, financial difficulties, etc). Suicide is nothing more than an exit option when you really don't see anything changing for the better in your life.

I am a hundred percent positive that most people here would rather go back in time and correct their lives but so many people do not have it that way (born into an unfair existence).
 

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