Don’t jump to conclusions when someone is giving legitimate advice….. response to SN not being best method.

[Mav]

You called me a "troll", accused me of being an "activist", saying I failed cause I didn't follow SN "protocols….
For a forum offering support, y'all were clearly NOT doing that.
Let the troll explain….

I did a lot of research and found such different experiences among individuals like it was night & day. Of course there is a "protocol" on potency, fasting times, and amount. But it is most certainly NOT that cut & dry. That is why you see multiple failed attempts using the method to a T.
Hell, people have survived jumping off of the Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco. This and every other method are not a "one size fits all". Not even close. You can jump from a second story building & die instantly on impact…or just break a few bones. You can jump off of the tallest buildings & bridges, and the same applies. You can die on impact, or you can slowly die in severe pain while awaiting rescue. Or, you can be rescued & survive which will most likely be an absolutely awful experience.
Being told not to make a blanket statement is ridiculous.
I'm not saying it doesn't work. I'm saying there is no guarantee, and there is still a large possibility it won't work.
Nothing is guaranteed.
You just have to truly think about what you are willing to do & willing to experience while the method takes time to work or if you fail. I feel offering my experience can give everyone here the opportunity to know & learn that nothing is guaranteed to work. Nothing.

I have a medical condition called gastroparesis. My stomach is 85% paralyzed. Fasting times for me are incredibly different from normal because contents remain in my stomach 85% longer than the norm. Tht being said, I absorb through the stomach incredibly slow. If I take medication, it takes up to 3-4 hours to start working & I need a considerably higher dose than the recommended ones. I researched it at great length taking into consideration the half life of the SN, as well as the antiemetics. Also calculating my gastric emptying with absorption rated to ensure that the method would be successful. I didn't fail because I didn't follow the "protocol". I failed because there is absolutely no way to accurately calculate or measure the amount/potency with my medical condition. I also have AI, in which my body does not produce cortisol. If you don't know what that is, then there is no way for you to be able to understand why or how I determined the formula I used. I'll say again….everyone is different, this is NOT one size fits all, and it is most certainly NOT guaranteed. I am not trying to troll or give misinformation. I'm telling my experience associated with the way my body functions.
Taking all that into consideration, makes my experience far from flawed. It makes the protocol flawed because it gives absolutely NO consideration to such obstacles that absolutely need to account for changes & major modifications.

I'm not encouraging or discouraging anything here. Failing was devastating to me. Extremely. I'm very sick & I suffer greatly. Waking up in the ICU was pretty awful to say the least. Read on in the thread on more explanation to my experience. I'm offering genuine advice & correct information as a helpful tool. NOT to cause any encouragement or lack there of…..

Thank you.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

The problem seems to be that SN is not the correct choice for you. Most people don't have your condition(s). It's best not to use "blanket" statements and inferences that SN may not be the best choice "for anyone" simply because it's not right for you.

 

[TheHolySword]

A standard protocol cannot possibly account for every single variable that exists. It's your job to figure out how to update the formula to better suit your condition. The protocol is not flawed because it didn't work for your unique situation. I'm sorry that it didn't work and that you had to endure the trauma of surviving but maybe the method just isn't for you. You're right, it's not a one size fits all, sometimes it just doesn't fit and you have to choose something else. No method is guaranteed either and if anyone is trying to tell you otherwise don't listen to them.

 

[leloyon]

Most people do not have your condition, you are an outlier.

 

[Salting the wounds]

Literally the world has to align itself with your ideals, the other day I saw a case of a young man who worked in construction, a machine fell on him and his body literally cut in half (he even lost his digestive system and intimate parts).
Question that is still alive, it took hours to get to the hospital.
And there are people here who want to do it with a simple knife.

 

[Corvette90]

You called me a "troll", accused me of being an "activist", saying I failed cause I didn't follow SN "protocols….
For a forum offering support, y'all were clearly NOT doing that.
Let the troll explain….

I have a medical condition called gastroparesis. My stomach is 85% paralyzed. Fasting times for me are incredibly different from normal because contents remain in my stomach 85% longer than the norm. Tht being said, I absorb through the stomach incredibly slow. If I take medication, it takes up to 3-4 hours to start working & I need a considerably higher dose than the recommended ones. I researched it at great length taking into consideration the half life of the SN, as well as the antiemetics. Also calculating my gastric emptying with absorption rated to ensure that the method would be successful. I didn't fail because I didn't follow the "protocol". I failed because there is absolutely no way to accurately calculate or measure the amount/potency with my medical condition. I also have AI, in which my body does not produce cortisol. If you don't know what that is, then there is no way for you to be able to understand why or how I determined the formula I used. I'll say again….everyone is different, this is NOT one size fits all, and it is most certainly NOT guaranteed. I am not trying to troll or give misinformation. I'm telling my experience associated with the way my body functions.
Taking all that into consideration, makes my experience far from flawed. It makes the protocol flawed because it gives absolutely NO consideration to such obstacles that absolutely need to account for changes & major modifications.

I'm not encouraging or discouraging anything here. Failing was devastating to me. Extremely. I'm very sick & I suffer greatly. Waking up in the ICU was pretty awful to say the least. Read on in the thread on more explanation to my experience. I'm offering genuine advice & correct information as a helpful tool. NOT to cause any encouragement or lack there of…..

Thank you.

Hey @Mav firstly I didn't see your previous post that you are referring to. I am just going off what you have written in this post. I'm sorry people assumed you were a troll . I think people may have jumped to conclusions as there have been people determined to upset the apple cart. Also numerous bad press for this site I think puts everyone on edge and people can get a little defensive. With methods you are correct in that nothing is guaranteed. SN does seem to be a favourite on here. Its not too difficult to access as a method and it doesn't seem as daunting to knock back some meds and salty water in comparison to other methods. In my opinion anyway.

I am very aware of gastroparesis. I haven't been officially diagnosed but doctors told me way back when I was a teenager that my system is very slow. I hardly used to eat anything and basically lived off smoothies. Anyway I won't bore you with all my digestive issues etc. I will say that I have a lot of empathy for your situation. This really worries me. As this is my preferred method. And psychology I have set my mind on this.
Does this mean you are abandoning this method completely?
Once again I'm sorry you had a traumatic experience with waking up in ICU etc.

 

[SummerSolesLongLost]

Some with gastroparesis should not even try SN, Pretty sure the PPH mentions this. Look into inert gas that will do the trick.

 

[Rymrgand]

I'm sorry that some people claimed that you were a troll or lying intentionally. But you were giving false information.

"It isn't. It's incredibly painful & didn't work for me. You will be sooo sick, I don't care how many antiemetics you take. Don't do it. I can't be more serious about this!"

The first thing you said was this, implying that SN is a non-method, without any context. You said that it won't work. This is false. Despite your experience, SN is still one of the best method, at least on people without your condition.

"I fasted for 24 hours. I dumped as much as I could. It was an incredibly potent & pure form of SN. I used body armor & ginger ale to mix it. I drank it very quickly and was so incredibly suffering. I also became incontinent with the severe vomiting."

And here you admit that you didn't follow the protocol. You don't use body armor and ginger ale to mix it, you use water.

I'm sorry for your experience, but it's important to give proper information. If someone sees your original comment and decides to use a worse method, they could suffer way more.

 

[leloyon]

"I fasted for 24 hours. I dumped as much as I could. It was an incredibly potent & pure form of SN. I used body armor & ginger ale to mix it. I drank it very quickly and was so incredibly suffering. I also became incontinent with the severe vomiting."

And here you admit that you didn't follow the protocol. You don't use body armor and ginger ale to mix it, you use water.

>drinks body armor along with lethal dose of pure poison
>survives death
the body armor protected OP

 

[Endofpain]

I agree 100% SN is far from the best. People try to make it work as a peaceful method with that "protocol".

This place can feel like a SN echochamber.

 

[Rymrgand]

I agree 100% SN is far from the best. People try to make it work as a peaceful method with that "protocol".

This place can feel like a SN echochamber.

What's the alternative then? It's not the most peaceful method, nobody is saying that, but it's more peaceful than most and it's really accessible. Getting a completely peaceful death is basically impossible for most people

 

[LivingANDDying26]

Just wanted to say I'm sorry for your experience OP & the responses you've gotten. Figuring out ones exit is hard enough without added factors/health issues that aren't often talked abput enough.

 

[SchrodingerIsDed]

>drinks body armor along with lethal dose of pure poison
>survives death
the body armor protected OP

Ironic, no? Effective body armor. Even works from the inside out.
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Yeah OP, I'm sorry about your situation. But at the same time, let's say that you have this condition which prevents you from digesting food for a really long period, so you had to fast for a full 24 hours. And yes, while people are different and require different protocols, the reason you have the protocol is for the majority of cases. In your specific case, it also doesn't make sense to mix sn with other substances that would force your paralyzed stomach to also process them. And I'm not trying to bag on you, at all, simply pointing out it was an honest mistake. I make them all the time. You don't have to get defensive about it. People are only pointing out that the method you attempted was wrong, not that you're wrong as a person, okay?

I wonder if enteric capsules would work on someone with this condition. It would delay the release of the sn that way it bypasses the defective stomach entirely. But this methodology also hasn't been studied in the PPH, but it's been around the forum as an idea. And I have some concerns about whether or not all the capsules would break down fast enough and at the same time to where it would hit at the same time. But if one could force themselves unconscious for more than say 3 hours with some other means, it might be effective for someone whose stomach is 85% paralyzed.

 

[ihatemyselfwanttodi]

So someone with slow digestion issues shouldn't attempt with SN? I definitely have slow digestive issues and was planning for Sunday to CTB. I am now panicking from this post. Doesn't meto speed up the digestive system and fix this issue??

 

[leloyon]

Ironic, no? Effective body armor. Even works from the inside out.

You pull it out of the fridge, open the bottle and suddenly you hear:

 

[SchrodingerIsDed]

So someone with slow digestion issues shouldn't attempt with SN? I definitely have slow digestive issues and was planning for Sunday to CTB. I am now panicking from this post. Doesn't meto speed up the digestive system and fix this issue??

It does speed up gastric emptying, which is its primary benefit as a dopamine blocker. Not sure how those two things are related, but yes, it speeds up gastric emptying.

(researches)

Holy shit. Substantially increases. Meto speeds up gastric emptying by 30%-50%.....That's huge. It will still depend on exactly how bad your condition is, though, but meto would be hugely helpful.

Also I think the main thing is it just has to pass the stomach. When it's in the stomach, you can vomit it up and get minimal absorption. If it passes (gastric emptying) into the small intestine, then you should be fine. Even if you have slow gut motility, the absorption of the sn should still be solid. You just don't want to vomit it up, which is the point of the meto.

 

[ihatemyselfwanttodi]

It does speed up gastric emptying, which is its primary benefit as a dopamine blocker. Not sure how those two things are related, but yes, it speeds up gastric emptying.

(researches)

Holy shit. Substantially increases. Meto speeds up gastric emptying by 30%-50%.....That's huge. It will still depend on exactly how bad your condition is, though, but meto would be hugely helpful.

Also I think the main thing is it just has to pass the stomach. When it's in the stomach, you can vomit it up and get minimal absorption. If it passes (gastric emptying) into the small intestine, then you should be fine. Even if you have slow gut motility, the absorption of the sn should still be solid. You just don't want to vomit it up, which is the point of the meto.

Hey thank you so much for putting in effort to research, this gives me some solace. I may increase the amount of meto then. Do the 48hr instead of the stat dose I was considering. I don't really have a "85% paralyzed" or any official stat of my own to compare to OPs. I can't say for sure how slow mine is. I do feel hunger after probably 6-8hrs without eating, and maybe like 2 bowel movements a week. So it's for sure fucked. But I hope the meto helps enough.

 

[SchrodingerIsDed]

Hey thank you so much for putting in effort to research, this gives me some solace. I may increase the amount of meto then. Do the 48hr instead of the stat dose I was considering. I don't really have a "85% paralyzed" or any official stat of my own to compare to OPs. I can't say for sure how slow mine is. I do feel hunger after probably 6-8hrs without eating, and maybe like 2 bowel movements a week. So it's for sure fucked. But I hope the meto helps enough.

Certainly. Just take it with a grain of salt. I'm not a doctor, so you might want to do some followup research, too.

Mmmmm. So we know the timeline for absorption is roughly 10-20 minutes, and the average person was unconscious at 10-15 minutes, though some stayed up until 22 minutes. Someone could probably use that as a guesstimate of whether or not their absorption is good enough. They start feeling it at 5 minutes. If someone didn't feel it at ALL after 5-10 minutes, then they could be sure that it's an absorption issue, and they might even want to try to induce vomiting to cancel the attempt and think about a different route. But I dunno. Again, not a doctor, just my thoughts.

 

[ihatemyselfwanttodi]

Certainly. Just take it with a grain of salt. I'm not a doctor, so you might want to do some followup research, too.

Mmmmm. So we know the timeline for absorption is roughly 10-20 minutes, and the average person was unconscious at 10-15 minutes, though some stayed up until 22 minutes. Someone could probably use that as a guesstimate of whether or not their absorption is good enough. They start feeling it at 5 minutes. If someone didn't feel it at ALL after 5-10 minutes, then they could be sure that it's an absorption issue, and they might even want to try to induce vomiting to cancel the attempt and think about a different route. But I dunno. Again, not a doctor, just my thoughts.

But so as long as I don't vomit it, even if it takes a while longer to absorb it should eventually be fine, just take longer no? Or am I thinking about this wrong? Thank you for your help

 

[SchrodingerIsDed]

But so as long as I don't vomit it, even if it takes a while longer to absorb it should eventually be fine, just take longer no? Or am I thinking about this wrong? Thank you for your help

Oh yeah, for sure, if you don't vomit it, you should be golden. Well. Blue. xD Never thought I'd go out like a smurf, tbh.

It's so personalized, it's really hard to tell, because everyone's chemistry is different, right. Mmmm. When you get hurt do you take ibuprofen? Does it take longer than 45-60 minutes to kick in?

 

[Forever Sleep]

People can be pretty defensive of the SN method here. I guess because those of us intent on using it ourselves want to believe it will work.

I think it's important and valuable to read about failures though. It's surely how the protocols were developed- because some actions/ conditions seem to negatively affect the process. It's important to learn about them so we can be best prepared and understand the risks we're taking.

I'm sorry for your experience. It's unfortunate that you don't seem to have had the support hoped for here either.

I wonder if there are people who troll the forum with fabricated failed attempts to try to scare people off the method. Not saying you're doing this. It's just a curious thing to wonder.

I suppose I find it weird when people bash the method without providing an alternative. (Also not accusing you of this.) I just have a horrible suspicion that most DIY methods involve a large amount of risk.

 

[ihatemyselfwanttodi]

Oh yeah, for sure, if you don't vomit it, you should be golden. Well. Blue. xD Never thought I'd go out like a smurf, tbh.

It's so personalized, it's really hard to tell, because everyone's chemistry is different, right. Mmmm. When you get hurt do you take ibuprofen? Does it take longer than 45-60 minutes to kick in?

That's a good question, I haven't paid very close attention tbh. Now I wish I could get a headache today to test lol. I do take quetiapine to help with sleep and I feel like I usually start to feel the sleepiness after about an hour.

Thank you for being helpful and discussing this with me. I tried to send you a dm to chat more about it but it says I can't

 

[ninonino1]

You called me a "troll", accused me of being an "activist", saying I failed cause I didn't follow SN "protocols….
For a forum offering support, y'all were clearly NOT doing that.
Let the troll explain….

I did a lot of research and found such different experiences among individuals like it was night & day. Of course there is a "protocol" on potency, fasting times, and amount. But it is most certainly NOT that cut & dry. That is why you see multiple failed attempts using the method to a T.
Hell, people have survived jumping off of the Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco. This and every other method are not a "one size fits all". Not even close. You can jump from a second story building & die instantly on impact…or just break a few bones. You can jump off of the tallest buildings & bridges, and the same applies. You can die on impact, or you can slowly die in severe pain while awaiting rescue. Or, you can be rescued & survive which will most likely be an absolutely awful experience.
Being told not to make a blanket statement is ridiculous.
I'm not saying it doesn't work. I'm saying there is no guarantee, and there is still a large possibility it won't work.
Nothing is guaranteed.
You just have to truly think about what you are willing to do & willing to experience while the method takes time to work or if you fail. I feel offering my experience can give everyone here the opportunity to know & learn that nothing is guaranteed to work. Nothing.

I have a medical condition called gastroparesis. My stomach is 85% paralyzed. Fasting times for me are incredibly different from normal because contents remain in my stomach 85% longer than the norm. Tht being said, I absorb through the stomach incredibly slow. If I take medication, it takes up to 3-4 hours to start working & I need a considerably higher dose than the recommended ones. I researched it at great length taking into consideration the half life of the SN, as well as the antiemetics. Also calculating my gastric emptying with absorption rated to ensure that the method would be successful. I didn't fail because I didn't follow the "protocol". I failed because there is absolutely no way to accurately calculate or measure the amount/potency with my medical condition. I also have AI, in which my body does not produce cortisol. If you don't know what that is, then there is no way for you to be able to understand why or how I determined the formula I used. I'll say again….everyone is different, this is NOT one size fits all, and it is most certainly NOT guaranteed. I am not trying to troll or give misinformation. I'm telling my experience associated with the way my body functions.
Taking all that into consideration, makes my experience far from flawed. It makes the protocol flawed because it gives absolutely NO consideration to such obstacles that absolutely need to account for changes & major modifications.

I'm not encouraging or discouraging anything here. Failing was devastating to me. Extremely. I'm very sick & I suffer greatly. Waking up in the ICU was pretty awful to say the least. Read on in the thread on more explanation to my experience. I'm offering genuine advice & correct information as a helpful tool. NOT to cause any encouragement or lack there of…..

Thank you.

Would you mind telling us exactly what happened? Were you found? How did you end up in the ICU? Did you fall unconscious?What did the emergency staff tell you?

 

[ihatemyselfwanttodi]

Anyone else have input on how likely slow digestion would be the culprit of failure with SN? I've got meto but do have slow digestion issues.

 

[SchrodingerIsDed]

That's a good question, I haven't paid very close attention tbh. Now I wish I could get a headache today to test lol. I do take quetiapine to help with sleep and I feel like I usually start to feel the sleepiness after about an hour.

Thank you for being helpful and discussing this with me. I tried to send you a dm to chat more about it but it says I can't

For sure. I'm happy to help. Yeah for some reason they don't allow you to PM for a long time or you need a lot of posts or something. No worries. 1 hour is the usual onset as far as I'm aware, so it seems like absorption would be okay for you.

 

[ihatemyselfwanttodi]

For sure. I'm happy to help. Yeah for some reason they don't allow you to PM for a long time or you need a lot of posts or something. No worries. 1 hour is the usual onset as far as I'm aware, so it seems like absorption would be okay for you.

Strange, I'm able to PM other people. Seems like yours is set to private or something.

Okay, thank you. I may do some extra fasting time and extra meto just in case? I'm scared of failure.

 

[Mav]

The problem seems to be that SN is not the correct choice for you. Most people don't have your condition(s). It's best not to use "blanket" statements and inferences that SN may not be the best choice "for anyone" simply because it's not right for you.

A blanket statement would be….
"SN will fail every time"
My statements were incredibly valid, incredibly important, and absolutely needs to be considered AND included in your "blanket" protocol…..

Most people do not have your condition, you are an outlier.

There are far more people that actually do, but it's so rare that they never bother to test for it. Every single person's gastric emptying is different day to day. It's an incredibly important factor to consider.

Hey @Mav firstly I didn't see your previous post that you are referring to. I am just going off what you have written in this post. I'm sorry people assumed you were a troll . I think people may have jumped to conclusions as there have been people determined to upset the apple cart. Also numerous bad press for this site I think puts everyone on edge and people can get a little defensive. With methods you are correct in that nothing is guaranteed. SN does seem to be a favourite on here. Its not too difficult to access as a method and it doesn't seem as daunting to knock back some meds and salty water in comparison to other methods. In my opinion anyway.

I am very aware of gastroparesis. I haven't been officially diagnosed but doctors told me way back when I was a teenager that my system is very slow. I hardly used to eat anything and basically lived off smoothies. Anyway I won't bore you with all my digestive issues etc. I will say that I have a lot of empathy for your situation. This really worries me. As this is my preferred method. And psychology I have set my mind on this.
Does this mean you are abandoning this method completely?
Once again I'm sorry you had a traumatic experience with waking up in ICU etc.

Yes. I will never try this method again. The pain was so bad, that I got found because I was screaming so loud. If it sits in your stomach, not knowing what you do or don't have already left behind, is like an acid burning you from the inside out. This was traumatic. I want to try to OD, but with my GI issues, i honestly believe that jumping is going to ultimately be my way out.

So someone with slow digestion issues shouldn't attempt with SN? I definitely have slow digestive issues and was planning for Sunday to CTB. I am now panicking from this post. Doesn't meto speed up the digestive system and fix this issue??

That is not a guarantee. I don't want to tell you can't, but keep in mind, if you have decreased gastric emptying, no oral route is recommended. This isn't something you want to chance failure! I wish you the best and I hope you find peace.

I'm sorry that some people claimed that you were a troll or lying intentionally. But you were giving false information.

"It isn't. It's incredibly painful & didn't work for me. You will be sooo sick, I don't care how many antiemetics you take. Don't do it. I can't be more serious about this!"

The first thing you said was this, implying that SN is a non-method, without any context. You said that it won't work. This is false. Despite your experience, SN is still one of the best method, at least on people without your condition.

"I fasted for 24 hours. I dumped as much as I could. It was an incredibly potent & pure form of SN. I used body armor & ginger ale to mix it. I drank it very quickly and was so incredibly suffering. I also became incontinent with the severe vomiting."

And here you admit that you didn't follow the protocol. You don't use body armor and ginger ale to mix it, you use water.

I'm sorry for your experience, but it's important to give proper information. If someone sees your original comment and decides to use a worse method, they could suffer way more.

All of my explanations on why the "protocol" is inherently flawed are easy to read. Don't know what else to say. If you want people to fail & suffer, then that is a "you" problem. Not me.

 

[DOHARDTHINGS24]

Certainly. Just take it with a grain of salt.

In future, please use either of the following acceptable technical terms:
1 - grain of SN
2 - grain of NaNO2

We simply cannot encourage ignorant, misinformed, trolling blanket statements such as the generic grain of salt. Future infringements WILL BE reported to mods, immediately.




(I dunno whether to add this is a joke, so I'll just insert emoji here "" because, ffs ...
Also, did not previously imagine self as smurf, now CAN ONLY imagine self as smurf, so thanks for that, I think but am not quite sure.)

 

[Asiam]

You called me a "troll", accused me of being an "activist", saying I failed cause I didn't follow SN "protocols….
For a forum offering support, y'all were clearly NOT doing that.
Let the troll explain….

I did a lot of research and found such different experiences among individuals like it was night & day. Of course there is a "protocol" on potency, fasting times, and amount. But it is most certainly NOT that cut & dry. That is why you see multiple failed attempts using the method to a T.
Hell, people have survived jumping off of the Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco. This and every other method are not a "one size fits all". Not even close. You can jump from a second story building & die instantly on impact…or just break a few bones. You can jump off of the tallest buildings & bridges, and the same applies. You can die on impact, or you can slowly die in severe pain while awaiting rescue. Or, you can be rescued & survive which will most likely be an absolutely awful experience.
Being told not to make a blanket statement is ridiculous.
I'm not saying it doesn't work. I'm saying there is no guarantee, and there is still a large possibility it won't work.
Nothing is guaranteed.
You just have to truly think about what you are willing to do & willing to experience while the method takes time to work or if you fail. I feel offering my experience can give everyone here the opportunity to know & learn that nothing is guaranteed to work. Nothing.

I have a medical condition called gastroparesis. My stomach is 85% paralyzed. Fasting times for me are incredibly different from normal because contents remain in my stomach 85% longer than the norm. Tht being said, I absorb through the stomach incredibly slow. If I take medication, it takes up to 3-4 hours to start working & I need a considerably higher dose than the recommended ones. I researched it at great length taking into consideration the half life of the SN, as well as the antiemetics. Also calculating my gastric emptying with absorption rated to ensure that the method would be successful. I didn't fail because I didn't follow the "protocol". I failed because there is absolutely no way to accurately calculate or measure the amount/potency with my medical condition. I also have AI, in which my body does not produce cortisol. If you don't know what that is, then there is no way for you to be able to understand why or how I determined the formula I used. I'll say again….everyone is different, this is NOT one size fits all, and it is most certainly NOT guaranteed. I am not trying to troll or give misinformation. I'm telling my experience associated with the way my body functions.
Taking all that into consideration, makes my experience far from flawed. It makes the protocol flawed because it gives absolutely NO consideration to such obstacles that absolutely need to account for changes & major modifications.

I'm not encouraging or discouraging anything here. Failing was devastating to me. Extremely. I'm very sick & I suffer greatly. Waking up in the ICU was pretty awful to say the least. Read on in the thread on more explanation to my experience. I'm offering genuine advice & correct information as a helpful tool. NOT to cause any encouragement or lack there of…..

Thank you.

I'm NGL, like.... SN seems like an extremely painful method to me and like something I'd regret in the throws of it and die extremely regretfully even if I wanted it with my full self. I remember that few years old post with the person who survived a SN attempt and her lips went blue, she was in immense pain. People, if i remember correctly, criticized her for not doing it right AND the larger majority claimed she was a fake profile to tarnish suicide with pride (which upset me, because she had very obviously-her pictures of her lips blue and the timing of her posts lined up, as well as the fact that her initial posts upon taking the dose was very cut and dry and seemed very eager. I had no doubt it was real.


Personally I think SN is painful but people are in denial. Sorry to say. Sorry, guys. I would not be able to attempt after reading as much as I could on it. I'd rather just take fentanyl

 

[Rymrgand]

All of my explanations on why the "protocol" is inherently flawed are easy to read. Don't know what else to say. If you want people to fail & suffer, then that is a "you" problem. Not me.

I have no idea why you are implying that I want people to suffer. That's a pretty disrespectful and disgusting thing to say.

I thank you for telling us your experience. Knowing about failures is important. And yes, you can choose any method to CTB, and change the protocol as you seem convenient. Changing the specific steps of the protocol is part of the protocol, in fact. In the main SN resources, they tell you to read the PPH and to research yourself to know if SN is appropriate to you and, if so, if you need to make changes to the protocol.

But my point is that you have been lying and giving misinformation, even if it wasn't intentional. It's false that you weren't "discouraging", it's false that you didn't say that it will fail every time.

It's understandable that you were emotional after what happened to you, but the correct course of action, if you wanted to help the community, would be making your own thread talking about your experience. Instead, you went to the thread of another person to make an alarmist comment with no context.