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Did anyone here drop antinatalism? What made you change your life? How did you forgive your parents? Was it due to therapy? Would a therapy even work in this case?
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Antinatalism isn't a disorder and is not caused by disorder... Well, your troubles can push you to the philosophy, but you don't become an antinatalist solely because your life is bad or something. There are healthy individuals out there who hold these beliefs.Would a therapy even work in this case?
Couldn't agree more. Utilitarians, spevially negatives, are extremists. A worldview where so scared of any suffering, no one can tolerate thinking maybe they aren't reducing it all they could. This is overfixation.Fractures did not begin to exist because of therapy or anything of that nature, my falling out with the school of thought simply manifested over time the more I examined the nature of the discussions in AN spaces and how many proponents of the philosophy did not practice what they preached, or their beliefs were also inflexible and entangled in other moral systems of decision making like veganism that I didn't subscribe to and wasn't interested in.
Fundamentally, what disillusioned me with AN philosophy and how it is practiced in reality, was the mismatch between the ideals of AN (preventing suffering) and the lack of good faith in how tenants of this belief system actually conducted themselves in public (causing more suffering to existing living humans either by harassment or making disabled people like myself feel worse for existing, with no offers of support or help)
I like the "cautious-natalism" term, I've never seen it before. I'm not fully antinatalist but am more strict than you. I might start using the term cautious-antinatalist for myself. Like most things, natalism and antinatalism shouldnt just be black and white.I've moved from anti-natalism to cautious-natalism. What I realized is that my experience isn't the only experience. Most people are happy with being alive. It's dumb math to not have any kids.
What I advocate for is not having children unless you are full equipped and prepared to give them all the care they need.
Yes, I hate that I am an antinatalist, and I think it's the greatest reason why I am suicidal. I would love to get rid of it somehow, like... To become dumber...I've not dropped it but I don't go to AN places on reddit etc. anymore-although if it pops up somewhere online I'll argue for it. Makes me feel worse usually because of the extreme reaction most people have to it. I suppose they don't like their way of life challenged and get defensive and start claiming AN is something it isn't-evil, death cult, child haters etc.
Even though I'm already suicidal, getting into arguments online can always make me feel worse, I'm quite sensitive to that. It's sad to see the hostility people have towards AN and how they misunderstand it.
I don't forgive my parents for inflicting life on me, and I think that's ok. It's my life and if I feel I've been wronged I'm allowed to express that. It's me that has to live it and feel the pain of it. Like PP I practice AN by not having children of my own, but I can't be bothered to care if others are having them. I'm the outlier, people will always keep having kids so why let it bother me? I can't do anything to reverse my own birth, sadly.
Do you think AN negatively affects your life?
It's not a reasonable goalpost. You can't guilt-trip humans into making themselves go extinct. Sure, birthrates have fallen drastically in developed countries, but thats a culture phenomenon and not the result of an ethical commitment, that could have any permanence.Did anyone here drop antinatalism? What made you change your life?
Well... they usually do. The overlapping is concerning and too many of them bases their beliefs solely on their experience. I guarantee you near half that people wouldn't believe that if they were happier.but you don't become an antinatalist solely because your life is bad or something.
Sure, but nothing else is, lol. You can't reduce any problem to zero, so none matter by that logic. Raise awareness of social media effects? Why, people will always consume. Mental health awareness? Trans rights? There will always be hateful people, so why even bothering? You can change them bro.It's not a reasonable goalpost.
You advocate for these causes, because it makes you feel good, not because you think you can fix the world (if you're a reasonable person, that is). Advocating for Antinatalism only makes you more miserable -- unless you're doing it in a responsible way, for tangible reasons like climate change, or overpopulation, not for abstract moral commitments that are totally out of touch with humanity and life as a whole.Sure, but nothing else is, lol. You can't reduce any problem to zero, so none matter by that logic. Raise awareness of social media effects? Why, people will always consume. Mental health awareness? Trans rights? There will always be hateful people, so why even bothering? You can change them bro.
I don't understand why you'd "despise" it. I understand thinking it's dumb or whatever but no one (to my knowledge) has ever hurt anyone through being an antinatalist. Is it connected to any atrocities? I don't think so? The most anyone ever does is call parents selfish, big fucking deal. Pretty funny how worried societies getting about us though. I guess that's why all the "they're an evil death cult that hates kids" misinformation is getting perpetuated now.Well... they usually do. The overlapping is concerning and too many of them bases their beliefs solely on their experience. I guarantee you near half that people wouldn't believe that if they were happier.
Sure, but nothing else is, lol. You can't reduce any problem to zero, so none matter by that logic. Raise awareness of social media effects? Why, people will always consume. Mental health awareness? Trans rights? There will always be hateful people, so why even bothering? You can change them bro.
Don't get me wrong, I despise anti-natalism, but nothing should be abandoned because people'd do it anyway, or we are doomed, doomed I say!
I used to be in the community many years ago. I've been seeing what they turn into, studied all the arguments over the years, and I'm very aware of all the things said against this group.I don't understand why you'd "despise" it. I understand thinking it's dumb or whatever but no one (to my knowledge) has ever hurt anyone through being an antinatalist. Is it connected to any atrocities? I don't think so? The most anyone ever does is call parents selfish, big fucking deal. Pretty funny how worried societies getting about us though. I guess that's why all the "they're an evil death cult that hates kids" misinformation is getting perpetuated now.
I guess it's just your shallow view of them. As I said, the bad life situation might push you to the realisation of how fucked this world is. To you it might seem like they are just depressed so they want the whole life to end but there are actually a lot more to it.Well... they usually do. The overlapping is concerning and too many of them bases their beliefs solely on their experience.
If a person say that they are an antinatalist just because they are depressed/unhappy then they are just a poser, that's simple.I guarantee you near half that people wouldn't believe that if they were happier.
No... Voluntary extinction is not feasible with how the evolution favours optimism and how society is structured. My antinatalism concerns only me (And hate towards all parents, of course).It's not a reasonable goalpost. You can't guilt-trip humans into making themselves go extinct. Sure, birthrates have fallen drastically in developed countries, but thats a culture phenomenon and not the result of an ethical commitment, that could have any permanence.
If you want to do some good in this world, you have to accept that there is an unchanging essence (or rhythim) in life that you can neither caantrol nor manipulate. Life will always grow and multiply itself. There will always be suffering. The best we can do is create a little space for ourselves, a personal sphere, where we have the power to improve people's lives for the better. The rest isn't up to us.
That's what made me drip AN -- it's an unhelpful, often self-righteus belief (as others have pointed out) that will do nothing but make life more difficult for you and drive you into isolation.
No, I didn't drop antinatalism. I instead believed in it more. I'm only an antinatalist because I believe giving birth in the current conditions is immoral. If we were in a world where anybody could access euthanasia/assisted suicide at any age (or, at the very least, above 18) without any questions, I wouldn't support antinatalism as then I'd only see procreation as morally neutralDid anyone here drop antinatalism?
Not all antinatalists hate their parents. @FuneralCry is an antinatalist and even she didn't hate her parentsHow did you forgive your parents?
Therapy probably would work in this case as normies would see the idea of antinatalism as defective due to how it goes against their pro life view therefore they would try to convince you why antinatalism isn't true. Antinatalism pisses most normies offWas it due to therapy? Would a therapy even work in this case?
How is that possible? Could you explain?Not all antinatalists hate their parents.