Venting ending this world would be the lesser of two evils

[Darkover]

by allowing this world to continue it cause more harm and suffering in the long run then would be cause be destroying it all

From a strictly logical standpoint, if the primary goal is to eliminate suffering, then the argument for non-existence could be seen as valid: without life, there is no suffering. If we view life solely through the lens of suffering, it would seem to follow that removing all conscious beings would indeed end suffering, both for humans and animals, by preventing birth and the ensuing pain that comes with existence.

 

[Pluto]

 

[TheHolySword]

Only logical in terms of immediate gratification. But if there's an afterlife then suffering has the chance to continue which would mean this did nothing - if anything it only made things worse. There are no easy answers, no black and white truths.

 

[Darkover]

Only logical in terms of immediate gratification. But if there's an afterlife then suffering has the chance to continue which would mean this did nothing - if anything it only made things worse. There are no easy answers, no black and white truths.

i don't want to exist at all under no circumstance if there is an afterlife than that world will burn too
failing that we just find a way to destroy the universe

 

[Forever Sleep]

i don't want to exist at all under no circumstance if there is an afterlife than that world will burn too
failing that we just find a way to destroy the universe

How could anything feasibly destroy either though? Even when the sun implodes/ explodes/ whatever- if time is infinite strenching forward, who's to say life doesn't already exist some place else or, will exist in this galaxy too again? That doesn't trouble me so much because I don't believe in reincarnation.

Not every living creature hates it's life either. Things will probably just keep muddling on with a (relatively small) proportion hating it so much they want to kill themselves.

I think we'd have better luck educating humans it's unwise to reproduce if they have the genes and circumstances that significantly raise the chances of their children suffering terribly. Although, that starts to worryingly look like eugenics I suppose.

This is the trouble though, isn't it? Just because we want or vehemently don't want something, that doesn't mean it can't or won't happen. It's a little like when people use that argument to insist God doesn't exist. As in- how could they be a just, good God to let all this suffering go on? To have designed this suffering or at least, the possibility/ probability of it in the first place? That part- the moral condemnation bit, I agree with.

But, it seems to go further to suggest that an immoral God can't exist because, the idea is so repugnant to them. The idea that something shouldn't exist because it's 'bad' or because a person really doesn't want it to exist isn't evidence or even logical reasoning that it doesn't. Plenty of 'bad' things exist- unfortunately.

I kind of wish things could be as we all would want them but, that doesn't work either because, all our wishes start contradicting each other.

I do actually understand the reasoning that if nothing existed, none of this would be a problem but, I'm not convinced that's even possible! That truly would be God level power. As destructive as we are, I doubt we'll ever be that strong.

 

[Gustav Hartmann]

For the broad majority existence means joy, satisfaction, etc. and mortality is the main reason for suffering. The logic behind is the logic of evolution, we are programmed to function like that. The few, who only experience suffering have a software bug.

Do you really want, that a person who is in the position to press the button commits an extended suicide?

 

[Darkover]

For the broad majority existence means joy, satisfaction, etc. and mortality is the main reason for suffering. The logic behind is the logic of evolution, we are programmed to function like that. The few, who only experience suffering have a software bug.

there are around 20 quintillion 20,000,121,091,000,000,00 animals in the world i think if you include all animals that feel pain on the whole there is more suffering than joy in the world

 

[BeijaFlor]

hmmm...

well, i think the only way to remove suffering from reality, would be if all living things simply couldnt suffer at all, physical , mentaly or emotionaly.

but... that would be such a different reality that its hard to imagine, i mean... suffering has been part of this experience since always, so...

eitherway, its a thought provoking thing coz... if after i die, i find out i have the power to erase this whole reality n create a new one, i'do probly do that.

but... then again, if i had this power before, then why did i put myself in this hell hole? or did i ?

if i didnt, n have no control over it, whats to stop whatever kinda force that placed me here to do it again?

if i did to myself tho, then why, wtf? what am i missing here?

hmmm...

 

[Darkover]

well, i think the only way to remove suffering from reality, would be if all living things simply couldnt suffer at all, physical , mentaly or emotionaly.

life should be indestructible unless you choose not to exist you should have whatever it is that makes you what you are belong to you no longer subjected to become fragments of your formal self just because we are made from tiny atoms doesn't mean we should all become fragments over time, imagine no longer needing to eat to survive, having a permanent place in the world

 

[BeijaFlor]

life should be indestructible unless you choose not to exist you should have whatever it is that makes you what you are belong to you no longer subjected to become fragments of your formal self just because we are made from tiny atoms doesn't mean we should all become fragments over time, imagine no longer needing to eat to survive, having a permanent place in the world

hmmm...

i mean... i do wonder sometimes, what sorta lifeforms are out there, yknow? wondering if, somewhere, theres a planet where living things have somehow evolved totally differently than us. idk, maybe a place where predation was never a part of evolution at all. they would just "be", however... if they had a permanent, indestructable place in the world, i hope that they could at least be able to end their existance somehow, if/when they choose to do so.

afterall, suffering isnt the only possible issue i think, one could easly go mad from boredom for simply existing aswell, right?

one thing that i find very, very strange thou, is how specific the circunstances of my place in reality are. i mean, why this particular body, in this particular context, family, country, era, planet, universe, dimension etc...

of all existance, why am i this particular being?

seems really odd to me... its as if i am either everything that there is all at once, yet experiencing each existance individualy at the same time...

or... it feels like im some sort of character in a story, or a movie. a deterministic existance where, the only reason for me to be here is to play out a role in the show, watching through the characters eyes.

btw, big Terence fan here aswell!

i've had several experiences w shrooms in the past, n... it definetly changed my perspective on alot of things.

matter fact, i was thinking of doing a deep dive on a hi dosage when i CTB. imagine, the brain shuting down during a heavy trip? i got a feeling i might end up in a spaceship...

 

[Gustav Hartmann]

there are around 20 quintillion 20,000,121,091,000,000,00 animals in the world i think if you include all animals that feel pain on the whole there is more suffering than joy in the world

Only high developed animals are able to experience joy and suffering, my dog at least shows pure joy of life. But I agree, the mistreatment of "livestock" should be stopped.

 

[BeijaFlor]

 

[Mirrory Me]

Plus this:

 

[Darkover]

thanks or sharing i've been listening to this for 22 mins it's relaxing for me

of all existance, why am i this particular being?

 

[L'absent]

We live in suffering or not at all. There is not even eternal peace or infinite sleep. We are a huge container of suffering and every now and then we manage to quell one of the many sufferings (like with food or sex for those who can afford it) and we call that moment pleasure.

 

[Darkover]

We live in suffering or not at all. There is not even eternal peace or infinite sleep. We are a huge container of suffering and every now and then we manage to quell one of the many sufferings (like with food or sex for those who can afford it) and we call that moment pleasure.

exactly procreation doesn't solve a problem it didn't first create

 

[ijustwishtodie]

I agree which is why I'm a pro mortalist. The negative utilitarian philosophy taken to its logical extreme concludes with pro mortalism. There is no reason for life to exist in the first place and nothing that we do matters. Every human achievement such as art, music, games etc only matter because we are currently alive. If we weren't alive, we wouldn't give a shit about this at all and none of it matters.

 

[banger12]

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Single handedly fixed my night. Idk why I'm so amused but I'm not complaining. :)