Enough is enough. Nembutal needs to be made legal for all adults who are suffering chronically. The current situation is cruel and barbaric.

[Praying 4 a Miracle]

It's time for Nembutal to be made legal for all adults who are suffering intolerantly, regardless of the cause of their suffering. Adults who have been given enough responsibility to drive 2-ton cars, purchase firearms, or raise children, should also be fully capable and be given enough responsibility to decide for themselves if they are suffering intolerantly, from any health condition whatsoever.

There should obviously be a waiting or cooling off period, to prevent impulsive and short-term pain from being the reason. There should also be safeguards to prevent vulnerable people from being coerced into the decision, but these should be the only restrictions.

The current policy of forcing people to resort to these dangerous, painful, and horrific suicide methods needs to stop now.

We are not Neanderthals living in primitive conditions. We're an extremely advanced species in every way except for this one.

$40 worth of Nembutal is all that it takes to prevent a human being who is suffering chronically, from having to either continue suffering for years or likely decades, or resort to a dangerous and brutal method of suicide.

It's time for all human beings to take a stand against this cruel and ridiculously tragic situation. There are hundreds of millions of people in this situation at all times, including the 40,000 members in this forum.

If even a small fraction of the people on Earth who are suffering chronically were to take a stand and speak up, there is no way that it would continue.

When the vast majority of people who are currently healthy and happy realize that only 10 to 15% of us are going to drop dead instantly of natural causes, it's not going to be very difficult to muster enough support for these changes in policy to occur.

85 to 90% of all humans are going to end up suffering chronically at some point in their lives. This is obviously not a good thing, but this knowledge IS extremely beneficial and politically powerful when it comes to building support for humane, safe, and peaceful methods of ending forced chronic suffering.

What makes the situation far worse for many people, is the psychological stress and anxiety of feeling trapped in their pain. In many cases just the knowledge that there is a safe and humane way to escape their suffering if necessary, would actually prevent many from choosing this. The result would actually be a REDUCTION in the total number of people who would choose assisted or unassisted suicide.

 

[timeless001]

20ml of pentobarbital sodium goes for like $1200-$1600 right now. You can imagine how much more it would cost if it were legal to use it for suicide. The market doesn't care about how much you hate your life.

 

[Praying 4 a Miracle]

20ml of pentobarbital sodium goes for like $1200-$1600 right now. You can imagine how much more it would cost if it were legal to use it for suicide. The market doesn't care about how much you hate your life.

$35 to $50 in Mexico (USD)

 

[AuroraB]

It's time for Nembutal to be made legal for all adults who are suffering intolerantly, regardless of the cause of their suffering. Adults who have been given enough responsibility to drive 2-ton cars, purchase firearms, or raise children, should also be fully capable and be given enough responsibility to decide for themselves if they are suffering intolerantly, from any health condition whatsoever.

There should obviously be a waiting or cooling off period, to prevent impulsive and short-term pain from being the reason. There should also be safeguards to prevent vulnerable people from being coerced into the decision, but these should be the only restrictions.

The current policy of forcing people to resort to these dangerous, painful, and horrific suicide methods needs to stop now.

We are not Neanderthals living in primitive conditions. We're an extremely advanced species in every way except for this one.

$40 worth of Nembutal is all that it takes to prevent a human being who is suffering chronically, from having to either continue suffering for years or likely decades, or resort to a dangerous and brutal method of suicide.

It's time for all human beings to take a stand against this cruel and ridiculously tragic situation. There are hundreds of millions of people in this situation at all times, including the 40,000 members in this forum.

If even a small fraction of the people on Earth who are suffering chronically were to take a stand and speak up, there is no way that it would continue.

When the vast majority of people who are currently healthy and happy realize that only 10 to 15% of us are going to drop dead instantly of natural causes, it's not going to be very difficult to muster enough support for these changes in policy to occur.

85 to 90% of all humans are going to end up suffering chronically at some point in their lives. This is obviously not a good thing, but this knowledge IS extremely beneficial and politically powerful when it comes to building support for humane, safe, and peaceful methods of ending forced chronic suffering.

What makes the situation far worse for many people, is the psychological stress and anxiety of feeling trapped in their pain. In many cases just the knowledge that there is a safe and humane way to escape their suffering if necessary, would actually prevent many from choosing this. The result would actually be a REDUCTION in the total number of people who would choose assisted or unassisted suicide.

i vote for you for chief medical officer of planet earth!

 

[doneforlife]

i vote for you for chief medical officer of planet earth!

Thanks for bringing a smile !

 

[OnlyOneSolution]

$35 to $50 in Mexico (USD)

Where do we find that?

 

[Praying 4 a Miracle]

Where do we find that?

Apparently back-street pet shops and veterinary supply places near the US border. According to ABC News, they are the real deal factory sealed with no signs of being black market products at all. It's part of a large death tourism industry in Mexico. Just more proof of how big this global problem of chronic human suffering really is.

 

[Musiclover338]

Apparently back-alley pet shops and veterinary supply places

its probably just a mixture of research chemicals benzos like bromazalapam and fentanyl

like most drugs in mexico just basically fake xanax and fentanyl

 

[RABITIA]

its probably just a mixture of research chemicals benzos like bromazalapam and fentanyl

like most drugs in mexico just basically fake xanax and fentanyl

Unfortunately you never know what you will get in third world countries since there are zero controls.

Source: I live in such a country and have unfortunately bought fake stuff.

 

[Praying 4 a Miracle]

its probably just a mixture of research chemicals benzos like bromazalapam and fentanyl

like most drugs in mexico just basically fake xanax and fentanyl

Nope, according to ABC News and many other reliable sources, bottles are factory sealed and definitely not black market products. Cost is under $50 USD. There's a huge demand for this at 20-plus US-Mexico border crossings that are part of the large death tourism industry in Mexico.

You can drink it with along with some gin, whiskey, champagne or whatever else you want to drink with it. Close your eyes, go to sleep, and that's it, it's that quick. This is why I say it's madness thay most people are forced to suffer intensely for decades, or are forced to use risky and painful methods. It's just ridiculous that so many people worldwide put up with this situation.

 

[Unspoken7612]

You're preaching to the choir. If you want to make a difference, start campaigning in the real world.

Disagree that there are millions of chronically-suicidal people in the world at any given time. That seems to be based on an estimate of the number of people who attempt suicide, but most of those people are acutely suicidal, not chronically.

20ml of pentobarbital sodium goes for like $1200-$1600 right now. You can imagine how much more it would cost if it were legal to use it for suicide. The market doesn't care about how much you hate your life.

That's not how it works.

When you artificially restrict supply, cost goes up.

Cost is likely to remain high in countries that use lethal injections for execution, as European producers will not export to them. But in other countries, the cost will be manageable, as there will be no black market. Producers will simply increase production to meet demand.

 

[Praying 4 a Miracle]

You're preaching to the choir. If you want to make a difference, start campaigning in the real world.

The real world does have access to this forum. This is not the dark web, virtually everyone can access it from Google search. There are almost a thousand guests visiting this site every moment of every day. Plus it's going to take a noisy choir to bring change into the world, one lone preacher is not going to do it. I'm just trying to get the ball rolling.

Although you're right, campaigning outside of this forum is an excellent idea, but the more people who do that the better. It's either that or we all just put up with the way things are now. The world is right on the edge of a major turning point on this issue. It's not going to take much of a push to get humane policies to happen quickly.

 

[Unspoken7612]

The real world does have access to this forum. This is not the dark web, virtually everyone can access it from Google search.

Sure, but in practice the only people who do access it are people who are either already massively suicidal, or who are very strong opposed. This is an echo chamber.

Try writing to your elected representatives, or contacting members of a local political party.

 

[ijustwishtodie]

I agree so much but unfortunately any effort at advocating for this is futile since pro lifers will never listen and understand us. They will always advocate for prolonging a life for as long as possible regardless of what happens

 

[Praying 4 a Miracle]

I agree so much but unfortunately any effort at advocating for this is futile since pro lifers will never listen and understand us. They will always advocate for prolonging a life for as long as possible regardless of what happens

I know it seems this way, and there are definitely pro-lifers out there, but the hard fact is that most people in virtually every country in the world support and are in favor of medically assisted dying for those who are suffering chronically.

There are definitely more people in the world who are compassionate towards our suffering, compared to those who are not. In my country of Canada, support for MAID is 80%, compared with 20% who do not support it. Now we just need to expand it to include all adults who feel they are suffering chronically long-term.

 

[ijustwishtodie]

I know it seems this way, and there are definitely pro-lifers out there, but the hard fact is that most people in virtually every country in the world support and are in favor of medically assisted dying for those who are suffering chronically. There are definitely more people in the world who are compassionate towards our suffering, compared to those who are not.

I don't know where you're seeing these people in the world as I don't see them at all. The only people in my life are the ones who would rather have me live and suffer than die peacefully and painlessly. They just can't understand that I'm suffering every waking in existence and that the only cure to my issues is death

 

[Musiclover338]

Nope, according to ABC News and many other reliable sources, bottles are factory sealed and definitely not black market products. Cost is under $50 USD. There's a huge demand for this at 20-plus US-Mexico border crossings that are part of the large death tourism industry in Mexico.

You can drink it with along with some gin, whiskey, champagne or whatever else you want to drink with it. Close your eyes, go to sleep, and that's it, it's that quick. This is why I say it's madness thay most people are forced to suffer intensely for decades, or are forced to use risky and painful methods. It's just ridiculous that so many people worldwide put up with this situation.

so where in mexico can i find this?

 

[divinemistress36]

The government makes to much money off our suffering for this to come legal for anything other than terminal

 

[so_mais_um]

It's time for Nembutal to be made legal for all adults who are suffering intolerantly, regardless of the cause of their suffering. Adults who have been given enough responsibility to drive 2-ton cars, purchase firearms, or raise children, should also be fully capable and be given enough responsibility to decide for themselves if they are suffering intolerantly, from any health condition whatsoever.

There should obviously be a waiting or cooling off period, to prevent impulsive and short-term pain from being the reason. There should also be safeguards to prevent vulnerable people from being coerced into the decision, but these should be the only restrictions.

The current policy of forcing people to resort to these dangerous, painful, and horrific suicide methods needs to stop now.

We are not Neanderthals living in primitive conditions. We're an extremely advanced species in every way except for this one.

$40 worth of Nembutal is all that it takes to prevent a human being who is suffering chronically, from having to either continue suffering for years or likely decades, or resort to a dangerous and brutal method of suicide.

It's time for all human beings to take a stand against this cruel and ridiculously tragic situation. There are hundreds of millions of people in this situation at all times, including the 40,000 members in this forum.

If even a small fraction of the people on Earth who are suffering chronically were to take a stand and speak up, there is no way that it would continue.

When the vast majority of people who are currently healthy and happy realize that only 10 to 15% of us are going to drop dead instantly of natural causes, it's not going to be very difficult to muster enough support for these changes in policy to occur.

85 to 90% of all humans are going to end up suffering chronically at some point in their lives. This is obviously not a good thing, but this knowledge IS extremely beneficial and politically powerful when it comes to building support for humane, safe, and peaceful methods of ending forced chronic suffering.

What makes the situation far worse for many people, is the psychological stress and anxiety of feeling trapped in their pain. In many cases just the knowledge that there is a safe and humane way to escape their suffering if necessary, would actually prevent many from choosing this. The result would actually be a REDUCTION in the total number of people who would choose assisted or unassisted suicide.

Not only physical pain but also mental one. Everyone should have this right

 

[passer-by]

The government makes to much money off our suffering for this to come legal for anything other than terminal

Word. This exactly. It's all a business in the end of a day. Unless there's something in it for the providers of such services and unless this benefits the market more than it harms it, I don't see policies regarding the right to die movement changing in any way.
And I don't mean to be a downer but I unfortunately don't see a scenario in which this would be advantageous to society as a whole. It might get rid of some individuals who are not contributing enough to be considered worthy, but I predict many more people would come forward choosing death instead of the proverbial "cup of coffee". I feel like humanity wouldn't last for more than like 2 generations after extinguishing or at least weakening the biggest factor in this decision making, which is survival instinct.

 

[enough of this]

Agreed.
Agreed.

 

[divinemistress36]

Word. This exactly. It's all a business in the end of a day. Unless there's something in it for the providers of such services and unless this benefits the market more than it harms it, I don't see policies regarding the right to die movement changing in any way.
And I don't mean to be a downer but I unfortunately don't see a scenario in which this would be advantageous to society as a whole. It might get rid of some individuals who are not contributing enough to be considered worthy, but I predict many more people would come forward choosing death instead of the proverbial "cup of coffee". I feel like humanity wouldn't last for more than like 2 generations after extinguishing or at least weakening the biggest factor in this decision making, which is survival instinct.

Its so sad I use to think all these doctors cared and wanted to help and a few do but in my experience its all about money

 

[RiverOfLife]

I think there's also brainwashing involved. The " pro-life " mindset gives a good cover for making self exit difficult.
But really it boils down to control.
You can't kill yourself, but we don't have to treat your illness. Can't keep you safe from being gunned down by a wacko or an anxious cop, but no you can't take matters into your own hands.

 

[Trappednocure]

Personally I would prefer to get cured of my illness but that doesnt exist so dealing with it would be much more relaxing and easy if I had this power to be able to control a peaceful death for myself when I can no longer take it.

 

[Unleashtherain]

Totally agree, a peaceful death would be a Godsend. There's so many methods that are difficult to pull off.

 

[passer-by]

Its so sad I use to think all these doctors cared and wanted to help and a few do but in my experience its all about money

Human is selfish by nature. Those who help have resources to do so, and they help because by extension they are also helping themselves. By showing their worth to society, by being needed. I don't believe a true altruism exists in this reality. Simply because it wouldn't be sustainable. So yeah, it is sad but it couldn't be any other way. Once you look at it that way, any emotions related to this fact will become redundant.

 

[Willy Wonka]

20ml of pentobarbital sodium goes for like $1200-$1600 right now. You can imagine how much more it would cost if it were legal to use it for suicide. The market doesn't care about how much you hate your life.

where do you get that if I may ask ? :D

$35 to $50 in Mexico (USD)

are you sure? speaking of experience?

Apparently back-street pet shops and veterinary supply places near the US border. According to ABC News, they are the real deal factory sealed with no signs of being black market products at all. It's part of a large death tourism industry in Mexico. Just more proof of how big this global problem of chronic human suffering really is.

oh, really? only thing I´ve red so far is availabilty in Peru ...