everywhere i look, someone is trying to downplay the effectivity of certain methods to "save" people

[SufferingInDenmark]

it feels like there's so much false information online, where people bring up horror stories about certain methods "oh no, that'll have you suffering for hours" blah blah blah.
sometimes i think they're lying because they think they're doing a good deed by "saving" people, so they will have no methods left.

for example, i read on one site that someone died from eating cherry seeds, or at least was very very close to dying. (NOT a suicide attempt)
then i see some other information which says you need to eat like fucking 30 thousands cherry seeds for that to happen.

what is true? not only about the cherry pit thing, just in general.

almost feels like there's some sort of anti suicide group out there who roams the websites to prevent suicides. with false information

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

it feels like there's so much false information online, where people bring up horror stories about certain methods "oh no, that'll have you suffering for hours" blah blah blah.
sometimes i think they're lying because they think they're doing a good deed by "saving" people, so they will have no methods left.

for example, i read on one site that someone died from eating cherry seeds, or at least was very very close to dying. (NOT a suicide attempt)
then i see some other information which says you need to eat like fucking 30 thousands cherry seeds for that to happen.

what is true? not only about the cherry pit thing, just in general.

almost feels like there's some sort of anti suicide group out there who roams the websites to prevent suicides. with false information

true. these psychopaths want to keep everyone alive even if they are suffering extremely . a book of reasons shows how oppressive and ridiculous that is. for example we all will die anyway so what are these morons trying to stop? you can't stop Death as we all will die so someone is suffering and say they are suffering extremely and there is no meaning to life but these creeps say you can't leave only when they say you can .

 

[mysticatedwine]

Find realiable info. You got the peacefull pill ehandbook easily accessible on this forum

 

[EvisceratedJester]

true. these psychopaths want to keep everyone alive even if they are suffering extremely . a book of reasons shows how oppressive and ridiculous that is. for example we all will die anyway so what are these morons trying to stop? you can't stop Death as we all will die so someone is suffering and say they are suffering extremely and there is no meaning to life but these creeps say you can't leave only when they say you can .

Or maybe, and this might be shocking, some people here don't want others to potentially end up using methods that aren't that good and that may lead to more suffering.

@SufferingInDenmark Reading about somebody supposedly dying on a site doesn't automatically make that method a good one. For one, how do you even know that the whole 'cherry death' story is true? Two, even if it were true that doesn't make it a good method. Some people die of beauty parlour stroke syndrome (BPSS) but that doesn't make getting your hair washed at the beauty parlour dangerous all of a sudden because BPSS is rare. Somebody dying from eating a bunch of cherry pits would also likely fall under the rare category.

Black cherries contain around 2.7 mg/g of amygdalin, while red cherries contain around 3.9 mg/g of amygdalin. Amygdalin is a type of compound found in pits of cherries (and other fruits) that converts to cyanide when ingested. An oral intake of around 500 mg of amygdalin may contain up to 30 mg of cyanide. Basically, it gets broken down into cyanide by beta-glucuronidase in the small intestines. A minimal lethal dose of cyanide is around 0.5-3.5 mg/kg of body weight or around 50 mg. Also, it should be noted that you would need to chew on the pits, otherwise shit ain't going to happen. I think it would take around 30 cherry pits to kill you, though I might be wrong (math is not a strong suit of mine, sadly). I think what happened is that the person who calculated it to be around 3,000 forgot to convert it to grams (1 cherry pit is supposed to = ~1 g) maybe, idk.

http://eprints.whiterose.ac.uk/83873/2/Bolarinwa.pdf

Physician Beware: Severe Cyanide Toxicity from Amygdalin Tablets Ingestion - PMC

Despite the risk of cyanide toxicity and lack of efficacy, amygdalin is still used as alternative cancer treatment. Due to the highly lethal nature of cyanide toxicity, many patients die before getting medical care. Herein, we describe the case of a ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Edit: Yeah, I think I calculated it wrong (it might actually be closer to around 300 g)...
Edit 2: I'm unsure. Please take my calculations with a huge grain of salt.

 

[SufferingInDenmark]

Also, it should be noted that you would need to chew on the pits, otherwise shit ain't going to happen

or blended, right? and then drink it?

 

[JesiBel]

Maybe that 'technique' will work for them with people who are not very decided, and it will make people change their minds or have doubts/fear.

Whoever is well informed and decided on the chosen method will not change it for anything.

What I do think is necessary is to warn in case a method is not effective or unlikely, so that the person does not get hurt or put themselves at risk unnecessarily.

 

[EvisceratedJester]

or blended, right? and then drink it?

I mean, all that would matter is that are need to be crushed in some way. I don't know if this is the best method and again, my calculations probably are wrong. I wouldn't use my post as a good source of information on this since a lot of what I said was based on some quick research. You should probably look more into this before deciding to do anything.

 

[footballseason]

almost feels like there's some sort of anti suicide group out there who roams the websites to prevent suicides. with false information

There's no need for a group. Humans, like all living things, have an instinctual drive to live. We also have the unique ability to deny reality, sometimes to extreme degrees. When the overwhelming majority of our species wants (or, at least, is driven) to survive and has blocked out the idea that suicide can be an acceptable option, then a cultural consensus will inevitably form and reinforce itself.

You can see this same thing happen with almost any idea that humans are capable of sharing. If conditions exist to foster a belief, and its believers have the ability to effectively communicate with each other, then a certain amount of them will form an "echo chamber" and amplify their beliefs among each other.

It's a shame that we're all born into this same species, but not necessarily into the same state of mind.

 

[SilentSadness]

This site has some detailed guides (e.g. Vizzy's SN Bible) which give useful information on various methods. This forum is a valuable resource for you to use once you get access to the search bar. If a good method can't be found on this site, sorry but no good method exists or at least no one knows about it, it can be very difficult to die nowadays.

 

[Michi_Violeta]

There are cases in which it's perfectly valid. Every day or so I see a post on r/suicidewatch from someone saying they took 50 pills of Tylenol or 100 pills of painkillers and I don't want to save them from death, I want to save them from liver damage and spending days in the ER or —worse— in a psych ward. There are some effective methods out there, but sometimes people are too impulsive to search for them or follow them properly so, in that case, it's not a case of saving someone's life but of saving them from a lot of unnecessary and ultimately fruitless pain.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

Unfortunately, with something as serious as ctb, you're going to get a bunch of misinformation, intentionally provided or otherwise. All you can do is try and parse out the bs from the truth. Simply recognizing that this occurs already puts you in a much better spot to do just that.

 

[vitbar]

Sad fact is people die by accident all the time by doing all kinds of things, while those trying to kill themselves fail.

Usually the lethal dose of a drug is listed as the LD50, which is what dose would kill 50% of those that took it.

 

[Athina_99]

There are cases in which it's perfectly valid. Every day or so I see a post on r/suicidewatch from someone saying they took 50 pills of Tylenol or 100 pills of painkillers and I don't want to save them from death, I want to save them from liver damage and spending days in the ER or —worse— in a psych ward. There are some effective methods out there, but sometimes people are too impulsive to search for them or follow them properly so, in that case, it's not a case of saving someone's life but of saving them from a lot of unnecessary and ultimately fruitless pain.

What are the effective methods especially if you can't leave your home?

 

[wiggy]

Accidental deaths don't shouldn't have much any bearing on the assessesment of the effectiveness of a given suicide method - that's not how probability works. You have to look at the success rate when suicide is being deliberately attempted.

To give you an analogy - imagine you flip a coin 30 times every day. Any possible sequence of heads/tails you get is exactly as unlikely as any other sequence, which is about a 1 in billion chance. That doesn't mean that if a particular outcome were dependent on you correctly predicting a specific sequence of results that it wouldn't be extraordinarily unlikely, based on the argument you witness a 1 in a billion event every day.

There are countless cases of people who just keel over and die without any probable cause ever being discovered. Does it follow from this that doing nothing and waiting to suddenly die is a viable alternative for suicide?

 

[Michi_Violeta]

What are the effective methods especially if you can't leave your home?

Having certain prescription drugs delivered to your doorstep by online pharmacies who forgot to ask for a prescription.

 

[Athina_99]

Having certain prescription drugs delivered to your doorstep by online pharmacies who forgot to ask for a prescription.

Am in Canada. It is next to impossible to get anything let alone anything without prescription. What prescription drugs?

 

[Michi_Violeta]

Am in Canada. It is next to impossible to get anything let alone anything without prescription. What prescription drugs?

There's a resource on this website, it's called the Peaceful Pill Handbook: it has all the info you need. Initially written for euthanasia patients and older folks, but a dignified peaceful death should be for everyone.

 

[Worndown]

I am not sure if all these "horrible method" posts are from people trying to "save" us. Some appear to be from members that watch to many animations or movies. They see the worst in these entertainment driven videos.
People do not hang for ten minutes choking, that is a popular one. Each method has a worst case scenario and these are exploited.
Just do yourself a favor and research before you try anything. Any method can fail. Learn from those stories.

 

[Athina_99]

I am not sure if all these "horrible method" posts are from people trying to "save" us. Some appear to be from members that watch to many animations or movies. They see the worst in these entertainment driven videos.
People do not hang for ten minutes choking, that is a popular one. Each method has a worst case scenario and these are exploited.
Just due yourself a favor and research before you try anything. Any method can fail. Learn from those stories.

I've viewed live hangings online of people videotaping themselves.

 

[Worndown]

I've viewed live hangings online of people videotaping themselves.

They are sad but informative. You can see how it goes.

 

[Athina_99]

They are sad but informative. You can see how it goes.

Yes I didn't like or the comments being made.

 

[TheSeeker]

It does seem like that...like there is some anti-suicide government-backed group that is made up of bots to deter you from suicide or something. I can't testify to that, but I can testify that there are many ways for a "guaranteed" suicide to go wrong. If you point at the wrong angle, a gun suicide CAN blow your face off. If you don't lean on the right artery, a hanging suicide CAN take an hour so to actually hang you. If you do not let charcoal smokes smoke out, they can take QUITE a while for the carbon monoxide to kill you. The main thing is...suicide is not easy...and there is always a risk for error...

 

[Athina_99]

It does seem like that...like there is some anti-suicide government-backed group that is made up of bots to deter you from suicide or something. I can't testify to that, but I can testify that there are many ways for a "guaranteed" suicide to go wrong. If you point at the wrong angle, a gun suicide CAN blow your face off. If you don't lean on the right artery, a hanging suicide CAN take an hour so to actually hang you. If you do not let charcoal smokes smoke out, they can take QUITE a while for the carbon monoxide to kill you. The main thing is...suicide is not easy...and there is always a risk for error...