Venting Existence is pain and I just rot in my room like a garbage human.

[zekeyaeger]

I can't go out, I can't take a bath, I can't brush my teeth. I just eat junk food because it's the only thing that makes me feel good. It's insane how evil gets away. There is no justice.

 

[qw3rty259]

I understand that it's a "venting" thread, but a lot of users seem to use it like an echo chamber. While I totally understand the feeling, I also can not stop feeling like you guys don't realize that it still can be changed if you're healthy in the sense that you still can move and do what you want and have no chronic pain or injuries and other stuff that basically disables you (tho even in that cases people sometimes manage to turn around their lives). I know that it's not the comment you're expecting here to get (if any at all) but It's not a pro-life speech either. Wanting to die is completely okay and understandable. It's just the problems you describe CAN be fixed

 

[zekeyaeger]

I understand that it's a "venting" thread, but a lot of users seem to use it like an echo chamber. While I totally understand the feeling, I also can not stop feeling like you guys don't realize that it still can be changed if you're healthy in the sense that you still can move and do what you want and have no chronic pain or injuries and other stuff that basically disables you (tho even in that cases people sometimes manage to turn around their lives). I know that it's not the comment you're expecting here to get (if any at all) but It's not a pro-life speech either. Wanting to die is completely okay and understandable. It's just the problems you describe CAN be fixed

I am open to any solutions. I have tried shitloads of therapy and meds for 8 years. Nothing worked.

 

[Chaosire]

I can't go out, I can't take a bath, I can't brush my teeth. I just eat junk food because it's the only thing that makes me feel good. It's insane how evil gets away. There is no justice.

I'm sorry to hear you're suffering so much. I hope your energy levels change for the better soon. I hope there are still moments here and there that make you feel okay, even if they're short.

I understand that it's a "venting" thread, but a lot of users seem to use it like an echo chamber. While I totally understand the feeling, I also can not stop feeling like you guys don't realize that it still can be changed if you're healthy in the sense that you still can move and do what you want and have no chronic pain or injuries and other stuff that basically disables you (tho even in that cases people sometimes manage to turn around their lives). I know that it's not the comment you're expecting here to get (if any at all) but It's not a pro-life speech either. Wanting to die is completely okay and understandable. It's just the problems you describe CAN be fixed

Even though I support what you are saying, I would also want to point out that it's not always as much of a problem that can easily be fixed.
I too have had heavy depressive episodes where I literally can't do anything and am basically bedridden. Most of the time, it's only a few days or weeks within a longer depressive periods. But I've had one last for months.

Generally speaking, depression can often be (mostly) cured with a lot of time, energy and motivation. But those deeper episodes are just pure survival, in my experience. Even after my therapy, I still sometimes have shorter periods where I'm bedridden and just have to hope it gets better, so I can practice self care again.

 

[qw3rty259]

I am open to any solutions. I have tried shitloads of therapy and meds for 8 years. Nothing worked.

Nah, I don't believe therapy will change this, and definitely not meds.

Just get up, go to the bathroom. Do that stuff you mentioned. I don't really understand why it can't be done. You have no disabilities. You're still somehow going to the bathroom (at least i hope so) when you feel the natural need. Nothing is stopping you from doing a few other moves. The thing is it's just a matter of habit. Even if you're fit and clean it changes nothing drastically. You're still can and will get depressed and do nothing but while being fit and clean

 

[zekeyaeger]

Nah, I don't believe therapy will change this, and definitely not meds.

Just get up, go to the bathroom. Do that stuff you mentioned. I don't really understand why it can't be done. You have no disabilities. You're still somehow going to the bathroom (at least i hope so) when you feel the natural need. Nothing is stopping you from doing a few other moves. The thing is it's just a matter of habit. Even if you're fit and clean it changes nothing drastically. You're still can and will get depressed and do nothing but while being fit and clean

Let's just say, you are very ignorant.

 

[qw3rty259]

Even though I support what you are saying, I would also want to point out that it's not always as much of a problem that can easily be fixed.
I too have had heavy depressive episodes where I literally can't do anything and am basically bedridden. Most of the time, it's only a few days or weeks within a longer depressive periods. But I've had one last for months.

Generally speaking, depression can often be (mostly) cured with a lot of time, energy and motivation. But those deeper episodes are just pure survival, in my experience. Even after my therapy, I still sometimes have shorter periods where I'm bedridden and just have to hope it gets better, so I can practice self care again.

I generally agree. But I don't think that episodes of depression is something you can get rid of completely. It's a reaction to what's happening in your life. I don't believe there are people who don't feel it throughout life. Well, ok, i think at least the majority of people felt that way. And I also think there's always a reason for one to feel that way. It's a state that don't come just like that out of nowhere, unless it's a clinical depression i guess.

Let's just say, you are very ignorant.

K bud

 

[Hecubaa]

Nah, I don't believe therapy will change this, and definitely not meds.

Just get up, go to the bathroom. Do that stuff you mentioned. I don't really understand why it can't be done. You have no disabilities. You're still somehow going to the bathroom (at least i hope so) when you feel the natural need. Nothing is stopping you from doing a few other moves. The thing is it's just a matter of habit. Even if you're fit and clean it changes nothing drastically. You're still can and will get depressed and do nothing but while being fit and clean

Serious mental illness does, in fact, count as a disability. In my (pretty basic) understanding of neuroscience, there are hormonal imbalances and messed up synapses that make maladaptive behavior the norm for some people in ways that one cannot just convince themselves to overcome. I know I should get out of bed early enough to shower before work. I know I need to eat if I want to be functional. That knowing does not, however, change anything about my ability to act. It might have an effect on a good day, but those days are very rare.

 

[danter0id]

unless it's a clinical depression i guess.

most people on here are, in fact, clinically depressed. not sure if this comes as a surprise to you

 

[qw3rty259]

Serious mental illness does, in fact, count as a disability. In my (pretty basic) understanding of neuroscience, there are hormonal imbalances and messed up synapses that make maladaptive behavior the norm for some people in ways that one cannot just convince themselves to overcome. I know I should get out of bed early enough to shower before work. I know I need to eat if I want to be functional. That knowing does not, however, change anything about my ability to act. It might have an effect on a good day, but those days are very rare.

You're talking about "functional", "going to work". I'm taking about basic hygiene and lifestyle. It depends on the habits the person had prior the depressed period. Otherwise all severely depressed people would be fat smelly dirt bags. Which isn't true.

If a person can sit on the site and write about how they can't brush their teeth and take a bath while having the ability to move and get food that means they are absolutely able to do that stuff too, they are just too lazy, because they got used to that lifestyle.

 

[Darkover]

If a person can sit on the site and write about how they can't brush their teeth and take a bath while having the ability to move and get food that means they are absolutely able to do that stuff too, they are just too lazy, because they got used to that lifestyle.

It's easy to assume that physical ability alone means someone can complete all their daily tasks, but mental health challenges can make even simple self-care feel insurmountable. For people with depression or other mental health issues, routine tasks like brushing teeth, showering, or even getting out of bed can take an incredible amount of effort and energy. Depression, for instance, often saps a person's motivation, making it hard for them to follow through on tasks that might otherwise seem simple.

This is not about laziness; it's about a psychological state where the usual reward systems in the brain are disrupted. When someone's mental state affects their basic ability to take care of themselves, they may need support or professional help to get back on track, not judgment or blame.

 

[qw3rty259]

For people with depression or other mental health issues, routine tasks like brushing teeth, showering, or even getting out of bed can take an incredible amount of effort and energy. Depression, for instance, often saps a person's motivation, making it hard for them to follow through on tasks that might otherwise seem simple.

This is not about laziness; it's about a psychological state where the usual reward systems in the brain are disrupted. When someone's mental state affects their basic ability to take care of themselves, they may need support or

I think people should search the underlying problem that cause the state of depression. It's not happening out of nowhere, as I said. Unless the cause is that clinical depression or how do they call it, when the brain just can't get the neurochemicals that basically make us happy. I highly doubt every depressed person has it. And I doubt every person who has it abandoned their hygiene.
It also doesn't matter how many pills you popped, if the real problem is still there nothing will change. Therapy might or might not help depending on wether they get to the core of the problem.

This is not about laziness; it's about a psychological state where the usual reward systems in the brain are disrupted.

If somebody goes to this site, their reward system is okay, cause they get the sense of pleasure when venting or talking about what is on their minds

 

[Darkover]

If somebody goes to this site, their reward system is okay, cause they get the sense of pleasure when venting or talking about what is in their minds

Not necessarily. While reaching out online or venting can provide a bit of relief, it doesn't mean the reward system in the brain is fully functioning.

 

[qw3rty259]

Not necessarily. While reaching out online or venting can provide a bit of relief, it doesn't mean the reward system in the brain is fully functioning.

Nah, that's just weird to me. "I'm sick but not really". To me, depression (what most people experience) is just inability to get the right amount of neuro mediators we get from different activities that make us happy due to various life problems and thoughts and emotions caused by them. The reward system is working normally tho.

it doesn't mean the reward system in the brain is fully functioning.

The guy gets his dose of pleasure from easy actions like stuffing himself with food. He's just used to it

 

[Chaosire]

Let's just say, you are very ignorant.

He definitely is...

I generally agree. But I don't think that episodes of depression is something you can get rid of completely. It's a reaction to what's happening in your life. I don't believe there are people who don't feel it throughout life. Well, ok, i think at least the majority of people felt that way. And I also think there's always a reason for one to feel that way. It's a state that don't come just like that out of nowhere, unless it's a clinical depression i guess.

Depression is a lot more than just a reaction to what's happening. Yes, it can have an influence. But depression is a very complex mental illness with lots of variants.
It's not just clinical depression that would fit this scenario. I, for example, have BPD and can get hit with an extreme moodswing for something as minor as spilling my coffee or having a bad night's sleep. With some bad luck, I'm bedridden depressed for a short period.
I also have autism, and overstimulation or just a sudden change in planning can do the same (or trigger my BPD etc).
People with bipolar technically don't even need a small trigger. Their mood can just fluctuate, and often for a longer period.
And there's so many other examples.

So yeah.. you're very ignorant. This is almost as bad as saying "don't be depressed, just be happy".

Serious mental illness does, in fact, count as a disability. In my (pretty basic) understanding of neuroscience, there are hormonal imbalances and messed up synapses that make maladaptive behavior the norm for some people in ways that one cannot just convince themselves to overcome. I know I should get out of bed early enough to shower before work. I know I need to eat if I want to be functional. That knowing does not, however, change anything about my ability to act. It might have an effect on a good day, but those days are very rare.

Yes ,it does count as a disability in a lot of places. I am severely disabled due to my mental illness and get a shitton of help from my government for it, be it financially or special help programs. I have my good periods where I'm able to meet up with friends, play games, go on walks and go out. But most of the time, I'm barely able to get myself to feed myself or take care of myself.

Nah, that's just weird to me. "I'm sick but not really". To me, depression (what most people experience) is just inability to get the right amount of neuro mediators we get from different activities that make us happy due to various life problems and thoughts and emotions caused by them. The reward system is working normally tho.

Please educate yourself on the topic and do some basic research about the impact of mental illness and then choose another hill to die on.
Of all places, this is definitely not the right forum to spout some ignorant stuff like that.

 

[qw3rty259]

So yeah.. you're very ignorant. This is almost as bad as saying "don't be depressed, just be happy".

It's a matter of fact that a person can be depressed (or place your mental illness here) or depressed and lazy. I've already told you that. And I didn't tell him he'll be alright wtf. I told him that the shit he's complaining about isn't a consequence of his illness but his laziness. Moreover, his laziness might be the reason he feels bad

 

[Chaosire]

It's a matter of fact that a person can be depressed (or place your mental illness here) or depressed and lazy. I've already told you that. And I didn't tell him he'll be alright wtf. I told him that the shit he's complaining about isn't a consequence of his illness but his laziness. Moreover, his laziness might be the reason he feels bad

There is a huge difference between laziness and the extreme mental exhaustion someone can feel when feeling depressed, or executive dysfunction, or any other symptom that can cause it.
To just call someone lazy and then blaming their mental state on said laziness isn't getting anyone anywhere. It's just invalidating of what the person is going through and will probably make them feel worse.

 

[qw3rty259]

There is a huge difference between laziness and the extreme mental exhaustion someone can feel when feeling depressed

omg. people here would rather indulge in the thought that they are severely mentally ill damaged sick than just face reality, or pander to others. Even in ridiculous cases

But depression is a very complex mental illness with lots of variants.

What variants? I can't imagine depression without some reason. Otherwise, it's clinical or just whining

I, for example, have BPD and can get hit with an extreme moodswing for something as minor as spilling my coffee or having a bad night's sleep. With some bad luck, I'm bedridden depressed for a short period.

You have described the same process I told you about. Something bad happens - you get the reactions (with its own features due to your BPD - tho I think that there is no strict "norm" to how to react to something and calling the other ones as a sign of illness is weird). Don't know what "some bad luck" means. And bedridden it's when you aren't able to get out of bed and have to pee in a bottle or a catheter. If that is so, I have no questions. But otherwise, you're able to manage basic hygiene. It's just that you think that peeing in the bed isn't good so you go to the bathroom, but lying all day (or other stuff you do or don't when "bedridden") is alright so you have no problems with it. The same is true with the OP.

 

[Chaosire]

omg. people here would rather indulge in the thought that they are severely mentally ill damaged sick than just face reality, or pander to others. Even in ridiculous cases
What variants? I can't imagine depression without some reason. Otherwise, it's clinical or just whining

Look, it's not because you don't understand or experience something, that it isn't real.
I'm done trying to talk sense into you. I don't care if you believe in mental health or not, or if you believe that quite a few of us here actually do have a mental illness.
But for fucks sake, stop being such a fucking asshole. It's okay to have a different opinion, it's okay to have your own view or beliefs. But there's no fucking reason to invalidate others or be hurtful on purpose. Most of us have it hard enough as it is, and this forum is supposed to be a safe space. So please abide by the rules and stop harassing others.

 

[ghost-shock]

I can't go out, I can't take a bath, I can't brush my teeth. I just eat junk food because it's the only thing that makes me feel good. It's insane how evil gets away. There is no justice.

Same

It's a matter of fact that a person can be depressed (or place your mental illness here) or depressed and lazy. I've already told you that. And I didn't tell him he'll be alright wtf. I told him that the shit he's complaining about isn't a consequence of his illness but his laziness. Moreover, his laziness might be the reason he feels bad

Why are u even on this site if you think like that?

 

[-Link-]

Laziness stems from a preference for comfort or inactivity and manifests itself as a conscious intent to avoid responsibilities. If struggling with motivation despite actually trying and wanting to do it, this would suggest a different issue going on.

As far as the struggle to get out of bed and tend to basic hygiene, you would want to look at small steps. Going from "struggling to get out of bed" to "taking a bath" -- this is quite a leap. Look at this like it's being out of practice with something. You're unlikely to be able to get right back into the whole of it, so you want to build yourself back up, instead, and gradually ease your way back into it.

When you're struggling to deal with the most basic everyday things, even the very smallest of efforts counts for something.

When you know you're struggling with just getting out of bed, set an alarm clock far enough away that it forces you up. Turn on all the lights. Put on some music. Now you're up and you've got visual and audio stimulation going on.

Once you're up, you start building upon that. But only with small things, to start.

• Can't deal with a bath? Try washing your face, or even just splashing water on your face.
• Can't brush your teeth? Try mouthwash.
• Can't change your clothes? Try just changing your shirt.
• Can't deal with that sink full of dishes? Try washing one plate and one utensil, even if it's only a rinse job.
• Can't deal with food preparation? Try a frozen microwave entree.
• Can't deal with eating at all? Try a nutritional drink.

You don't have to do all these in a single day. You could just do one of them. Small goals. Start with the very smallest of steps and build upon from there, slow and steady and with lots of patience for yourself. Skip a day here and there if you have to.

Go easy on shaming or guilting yourself. Give yourself credit for any progress you're able to make. Allow for setbacks. When looking at forward motion, it's OK to take steps backward now and then. It's the overall forward motion that counts.

 

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[EvisceratedJester]

It's a matter of fact that a person can be depressed (or place your mental illness here) or depressed and lazy. I've already told you that. And I didn't tell him he'll be alright wtf. I told him that the shit he's complaining about isn't a consequence of his illness but his laziness. Moreover, his laziness might be the reason he feels bad

A common symptom of a disorder like MDD is fatigue. A lot of those with depression do not have the energy or motivation to do things, like take care of themselves. This is especially the case in more severe forms of the disorder. This is also part of why concerns when it comes to suicide are higher in cases of PDD than in MDD since those with PDD are less likely to suffer from fatigue, meaning that have to energy to act on their suicidal urges. This isn't a case of laziness, this is a case of someone who literally doesn't have the energy to take care of themself.

 

[sevennn]

what's with this site lately, another reply to a vent thread calling op lazy? can't you people be a little fucjing compassionate to one another. fuck sake.

 

[Chaosire]

what's with this site lately, another reply to a vent thread calling op lazy? can't you people be a little fucjing compassionate to one another. fuck sake.

ikr!