Venting Existence itself is a betrayal since we are not even safe from danger and facing oblivion

[Darkover]

If injury or a accident can happen to you at any time then nobody is ever safe from danger

If life were truly meant for living—meant to be something good, something worth having—then safety would be guaranteed. But it's not. We are constantly exposed to suffering, danger, and the inevitability of death. That makes existence feel more like a cruel test or a pointless struggle rather than something to cherish.

Life presents itself as something valuable, something we should hold onto, yet it offers no real security. At any moment, suffering can strike—through accident, illness, or cruelty. No matter how much we try to protect ourselves, we are never truly safe.

If life were truly meant for living in a meaningful, fulfilling way, then it wouldn't come with the constant risk of harm and the certainty of death. Instead, it feels like an endurance test, where survival is a struggle, and the final reward is oblivion. How can something be a gift when it guarantees suffering and ends in nothingness?

Existence feels like a cruel paradox. We're told life is valuable, that it's something to be cherished, yet it is full of risk, suffering, and the looming certainty of death. The constant potential for harm, whether through accident, illness, or the actions of others, strips away any illusion of safety. We can never fully escape danger, no matter how hard we try.

And then there's the ultimate futility—the certainty of death, the end that erases all. What's the point of striving to hold onto life when, in the end, it disappears into nothingness, leaving us no lasting legacy or resolution?

If life were truly meant to be good or worth having, it would offer us a sense of security, of meaning that doesn't vanish with time. Instead, we face a relentless struggle, knowing that everything we build, every joy we experience, will eventually be wiped away. It's hard to reconcile the idea of life as a "gift" when it's filled with so much suffering and ends in oblivion.

 

[Forever Sleep]

It depends on your beliefs I suppose. I personally feel like life just is. It could well have come about by chance. So- it doesn't owe anything to anyone. It's humans that insist it has worth and it ought to be fair. So, as an unconscious 'thing', (if it is an unconscious force that created it- evolution presumably,) I don't think it can be blamed as consciously malicious, wrong, evil or whatever.

I suppose debatably, the malicious bit comes in when it comes to conscious, sentient and aware beings choosing to procreate. Because- they are aware of all the possible dangers they are exposing their would-be children to and, they go for it regardless. Presumably because they think they can shield their children from harm and provide them with enough resilience to face the most unpleasant things life absolutely will throw at them. I suppose they also hope the good times will outweigh the bad.

Unless of course there is a God and there is intention behind all of it. In which case, it seems reasonable to blame them or at the least, feel very perplexed about their actions/ intentions.

 

[Average Joe]

You are absolutely correct, tomorrow is never promised. Fuck, anyone could go into cardiac arrest at any moment.

I think there are two approaches to life. Either nothing matters, or everything matters. It's the typical glass-half-empty or glass-half-full outlook.
They say life is for living because there is so much suffering, there's no time to dwell on the negatives. I see it as "blissful ignorance".

I think life is valuable because we cannot recreate our existence. When we die, another organism takes our place. And that is what's strong and so valuable about life, it's limited and dangerous.

You can sit and think about all the chaos, all the suffering, wars, starvation and our cruel history as humans. Or you can accept the dangers and just take things day by day, knowing that suffering will come, but not knowing when so you make the most of what you have.

 

[Darkover]

It depends on your beliefs I suppose. I personally feel like life just is. It could well have come about by chance. So- it doesn't owe anything to anyone. It's humans that insist it has worth and it ought to be fair. So, as an unconscious 'thing', (if it is an unconscious force that created it- evolution presumably,) I don't think it can be blamed as consciously malicious, wrong, evil or whatever.

I suppose debatably, the malicious bit comes in when it comes to conscious, sentient and aware beings choosing to procreate. Because- they are aware of all the possible dangers they are exposing their would-be children to and, they go for it regardless. Presumably because they think they can shield their children from harm and provide them with enough resilience to face the most unpleasant things life absolutely will throw at them. I suppose they also hope the good times will outweigh the bad.

Unless of course there is a God and there is intention behind all of it. In which case, it seems reasonable to blame them or at the least, feel very perplexed about their actions/ intentions.

if god really wanted me to be here he wouldn't let me feel so repressed and fragmented and unsafe and experiences loss and he wouldn't of abandoned us in this cruel existence without even as much a single bit of knowledge about our environment or why it exists in the first place, i feel as if life came about by pure chance which makes this or the more worse since this is all happening by itself without any intention behind it.

If life came about purely by chance, it can feel even more crushing, because it seems to imply that none of this has any deeper meaning or intentionality life is just happening, without any direction or purpose. This randomness, without any guiding hand, can make suffering feel even more pointless, like a cruel accident that no one is in control of.

 

[Forever Sleep]

if god really wanted me to be here he wouldn't let me feel so repressed and fragmented and unsafe and experiences loss and he wouldn't of abandoned us in this cruel existence without even as much a single bit of knowledge about our environment or why it exists in the first place, i feel as if life came about by pure chance which makes this or the more worse since this is all happening by itself without any intention behind it.

If life came about purely by chance, it can feel even more crushing, because it seems to imply that none of this has any deeper meaning or intentionality life is just happening, without any direction or purpose. This randomness, without any guiding hand, can make suffering feel even more pointless, like a cruel accident that no one is in control of.

Sure, a loving God as we understand love wouldn't do that. Still, if God even exists, they don't necessarily need to be good or fair. From what we witness in this world, I don't actually understand how people do still see God as a loving father figure! Still, I suppose they may have a far bigger plan, where it's all for a reason that we can't comprehend.

Yeah, it's certainly depressing to think we suffer for no purpose or reward. Still- suffering itself makes evolutionary sense. Our bodies are mortal and vulnerable after all- they have to tell us when we are in danger or we need to heal ourselves. That probably goes for physical and mental pain. I suppose mental anguish is a sign that our lives in general don't suite us.

The horrible reality is we may not always be able to fix our problems. That likely still won't lead to extinction though. And we at least know that about life- that it's main drive is to survive.

It's interesting though I find. The whole: God can't exist and want all this suffering and cruelty. Why not? Because it doesn't fit the friendly poster image that newer religions peddle to gain followers? Maybe if a God does exist, they are more similar to the old testament fire and brimstone character or, like cruel war Gods from other religions.

I think we just try to comfort ourselves with this idea that God has our best interests at heart. But again- Why do we assume that? What evidence do we have that supports that? It seems to me like there are temptations scattered all over the place to sin. People are tested in the most brutal ways with ill health, bereavement, violence, tragedy and disaster. And presumably, all through it, they must keep their faith or else be punished. That doesn't suggest kindness to me.

One really fundamental issue is- are all religions correct? Most of the time, religious scripture insists that their version is the true one and the others are false Gods, who you presumably get into trouble for worshipping. Yet- our religion is highly influenced by where and when we are born. So, whichever God is real, are they a racist? Do they hate certain souls so much or, people to be born in certain countries that they ensure they get born and indoctrinated into the 'wrong' religion? WTF? How messed up is that?

Really though, I wish it could be an argument. God can't exist because they aren't being nice to me. What I would query is whether God the loving, caring father figure exists. I don't feel like they do.