Exit bag and hypoxia

[Arak]

Helium, nitrogen in an exit bag 'properly' used would result in death. In theory.

Nitschke doesn't mention some symptoms of hypoxia for the helium/exit bag method. Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypoxia_(medical)

Nauseau, headache etc. Is it really true that those symptoms are absent if there is no CO2 as it may have been suggested somewhere ?

This https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inert_gas_asphyxiation suggests it does, but I'm a bit wary. A get a too good to be true feeling.

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[406blue]

Arak, it's among the most talked about methods for those seeking painless methods. You might want to consult the book and or video on youtube by derek humphries of final exit. In general, yes, i think the whole point of this is that the body fails to react to the inhaled co2, if one were to use just a plastic bag for example, which is replaced by the helium. However, humphry also recommends just using a plastic bag and drugs for exit, which seems to be a little discredited, so sometimes i have doubts about his advice. Helium is quite a well documented and investigated idea though, as your links demonstrate.

 

[Arak]

@406blue ,

I'm just skeptical. Is there any true evidence of the absence of suffering ? I recall reading that some species are more sensitive, and it may just be the same for humans.

 

[Shay]

@406blue ,

I'm just skeptical. Is there any true evidence of the absence of suffering ? I recall reading that some species are more sensitive, and it may just be the same for humans.

I've actually read that if done properly it works. But when they do workshops and presentations they have found most people can't complete correctly when instructed how. (They have them practice the method without obviously adding gas etc)

 

[Shay]

I've actually read that if done properly it works. But when they do workshops and presentations they have found most people can't complete correctly when instructed how. (They have them practice the method without obviously adding gas etc)

That's in the peaceful pill handbook

 

[406blue]

Part of the trouble is that people react differently to everything as you say and there are random variables involved that we can't know, i don't think there can be found any certainty in this field. One has to try to weigh up the options as you are doing. In my view, a properly set up helium method is likely to be one of the more effective ways to go for those seeking a peaceful way and reduced trauma for others, along with CO in a confined space properly done. Failing that, suspension hanging with plenty of benzos. For absolute certainty it gets messy, in my view, unless you can get hold of the stuff dignitas uses. Others might disagree..

 

[great-ape99]

It's not asphyxiation that is for sure. Wikipedia is just trying to scare you. Given that I think that all helium/nitrogen exits are not 100 percent peaceful. Some people get uncomfortable and at times unconsciously take the bag off.

 

[josh228]

@406blue ,

I'm just skeptical. Is there any true evidence of the absence of suffering ? I recall reading that some species are more sensitive, and it may just be the same for humans.

the true evidence is in science. Fuck what the pro death people say because they are not gods, but you can trust science. These are the same people that recommend sodium nitrite btw.

If you want physical evidence go look at hypoxia training on youtube, or google stories of inert gas poisoning. People dont even know what hit them.

 

[Smilla]

I've actually read that if done properly it works. But when they do workshops and presentations they have found most people can't complete correctly when instructed how. (They have them practice the method without obviously adding gas etc)

Please quote your source for this?

 

[Shay]

Please quote your source for this?

Thinknit was Peaceful Pill Handbook

 

[Smilla]

Thinknit was Peaceful Pill Handbook

I've read the chapter multiples times and never saw this reference to people being unable to do it correctly.

 

[Shay]

I've read the chapter multiples times and never saw this reference to people being unable to do it correctly.

Must be something else. But I did read it from a legitimate source

 

[Smilla]

Must be something else. But I did read it from a legitimate source

This is misinformation, plain and simple. Please quote your sources next time. Thank you.

 

[Arak]

'Some animal species are better equipped than humans to detect hypoxia, and these species are more uncomfortable in low-oxygen environments that result from inert gas exposure'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inert_gas_asphyxiation#cite_note-Joanna-thesis-9

While I'm human, I wonder if it would work for me. (suffocation, waking up etc)

httpx://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/qbaqwq/the-internet-is-telling-people-how-to-kill-themselves replace x by s

'However, there have been reports of people who have tried it and just woken up with a really bad headache – they tore the hood off when they were in a state of semi-consciousness, because their body was trying to fight for life.'

I'd prefer a closed, secure room filled with helium. And not just a tent somewhere. Drawbacks: a full room requires more gas, logistics, access. Heavily populated area. Being rich helps. Suggestion on Quora that nitrogen is better suited than helium.

 

[Arak]

An experience,

https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Suicide/Suffocation/Helium '"Speaking from experience, I can say that helium is not as comfortable as it sounds. Breathing it was not a problem. However, moments after beginning, my whole body started feeling all tingly (like a foot that has fallen asleep or something). After that, body started having uncontrollable convulsions. Finally reached up and removed the plastic bag. I was a bright shade of pink for a while after the experience, which I found out later, was a symptom of oxygen deprivation. Was no pain, just a very uncomfortable feeling "'

convulsions_in_adults_2006.pdf

'Hypoxia: Any patient suffering from hypoxia, regardless of cause, may convulse'

 

[Deivis]

No need to overthink and stay preoccupied with that...

Check Helios Airways Flight 522 Accident

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helios_Airways_Flight_522

The whole plane, including all passengers and the crew got knocked out without any protest.
And if you've got a tank already - buy/catch a rat or mouse, put it in a mason jar and gas it.

 

[Arak]

@Deivis , it's always easier to get murderded than to do it yourself ...

Don't believe everything you read. Normally, in case of accidents in aircraft there would be panic.

 

[josh228]

@Deivis , it's always easier to get murderded than to do it yourself ...

Don't believe everything you read. Normally, in case of accidents in aircraft there would be panic.

Im not sure what the purpose of your posts are, because you could look at the negatives of any methods and point out the failures etc. Fact of the matter is, its not a super simple easy method and requires a level of research and trial and error. If you dont have the kit from max dog you need to

1. live in a country where nitrogen is freely available to consumers
2. research how to use a regulator and which one to buy for your tank (multi stage is safer)
3. look cool and confident when buying from supplier and research why youre using it (welding etc)
4. having a bag over your head isnt exactly simple
5. like hanging you need to be left alone but the hissing sound from the gas could arouse attention, be wary of the time of day you do it (if in a hotel you dont want to do it when everyone is sleeping)

if you follow all the steps after attaining your kit, I dont see how it could go wrong.

 

[Deleted member 1768]

Helium, nitrogen in an exit bag 'properly' used would result in death. In theory.

Nitschke doesn't mention some symptoms of hypoxia for the helium/exit bag method. Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypoxia_(medical)
OP
Hi Arak....smile. Helium is now mixed with oxygen and will not work. If you have a lung condition, ie. COPD/emphysema, etc. carbon dioxide remains in the lungs and again, will not work.

 

[Arak]

@josh228
I just looked at the 'kit' and noticed that the European product only contains two litres, a lot less than the Australian one. Presumably it could work with an exit bag. It's just not that much !

'having a bag over your head isnt exactly simple' Yes ! Does anyone want to report any issues/failed attempts ?

 

[Lovemykids]

Where to buy the bag

 

[406blue]

I wonder if the charcoal method would struggle to work because of lung conditions, also. I have early stage emphysema but don't need any medication for it, just can't really run anymore very far. i did read up on exactly how the biology works with CO, but it was a while ago.