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Arak

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Sep 21, 2018
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I guess there is basically nothing except cyanide which is unavailable ?

Fast= as in minutes.
 
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Chinaski

Chinaski

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Sep 1, 2018
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I suspect that if there was, this website would not exist.
 
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Nlnp2

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Sep 22, 2018
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killing yourself is as easy as tying two strings around your neck
 
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Wantingpeace

Wantingpeace

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Aug 16, 2018
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Nembutal
 
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Arak

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Sep 21, 2018
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Nembutal ? Hardly. You'd need sometime like 9,000 mg ? And death by that drug on its won is not guaranteed. Also, I happen to have a tolerance which makes that kind of thing much more difficult. Getting it seems nigh impossible. btw, I wonder why they discuss nembutal and not secobarbital but that's secondary.
 
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MachineGunDani

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Sep 10, 2018
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Cyanide is a horrible way to go
 
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Arak

Enlightened
Sep 21, 2018
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But fast and certain ! Hours on sodium nitrate before you go ? And fail and suffer brain damage ?
 
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Aesthler

Aesthler

Death is the only God who comes when you call
Sep 25, 2018
416
killing yourself is as easy as tying two strings around your neck

This. If you ever played the pass out game as a kid you know first hand how easy this can be.
Also check out shallow water blackout.
 
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Shay

Experienced
Aug 31, 2018
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Has anyone on this site used partial successfully. I've seen N and SN and CO be successful. I haven't seen this
 
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DetachedDreamer97

DetachedDreamer97

Enlightened
Mar 17, 2018
1,402
Perhaps I'll suggest...
Yew poisoning.
 
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PatKat

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Meh
Aug 9, 2018
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I guess there is basically nothing except cyanide which is unavailable ?

Fast= as in minutes.
I heard a long time ago you can somehow make cyanide with apples not sure how or anything, but its worth a look up if you are interested. :)
 
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Aesthler

Death is the only God who comes when you call
Sep 25, 2018
416
I heard a long time ago you can somehow make cyanide with apples not sure how or anything, but its worth a look up if you are interested. :)

Yeah this is true that apple seeds have amygdalin which your body converts into hydrogen cyanide. You have to crush them and probably eat a lot of them. I haven't found a reliable source for how many you'd have to eat some people claim hundreds some people claim several thousands of crushed seeds.
 
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PatKat

PatKat

Meh
Aug 9, 2018
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Yeah this is true that apple seeds have amygdalin which your body converts into hydrogen cyanide. You have to crush them and probably eat a lot of them. I haven't found a reliable source for how many you'd have to eat some people claim hundreds some people claim several thousands of crushed seeds.
Damn that is a lot. Can you blend them into a smoothie or something ya think? What flavor would you like? Death flavor please...
 
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Chinaski

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Sep 1, 2018
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If it were even a remote possibility that one could ctb through chomping apple seeds, Philip Nitschke would still be a practising GP.
 
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windingdown

windingdown

Specialist
Sep 10, 2018
367
I guess there is basically nothing except cyanide which is unavailable ?

Fast= as in minutes.
Pardon my ignorance, as I haven't read extensively about cyanide - but what about the cyanide in ground-up cherry pits? I understand it can be fatal. Does that work?
 
windingdown

windingdown

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Sep 10, 2018
367
I heard a long time ago you can somehow make cyanide with apples not sure how or anything, but its worth a look up if you are interested. :)
I understand the cyanide in crushed cherry pits is more potent - you don't need nearly as much!
 
Aesthler

Aesthler

Death is the only God who comes when you call
Sep 25, 2018
416
Pardon my ignorance, as I haven't read extensively about cyanide - but what about the cyanide in ground-up cherry pits? I understand it can be fatal. Does that work?


Similarly to apple seeds you'd probably have to take a fuck ton for it to work. You can certainly grind them up and try it but as far as I know it's not very reliable because your body will detox out the little bit of cyanide that you'd be ingesting.
 
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windingdown

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Sep 10, 2018
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According to this article, 1-2 crushed freshly cherry pits can be lethal:
https://www.bonappetit.com/test-kitchen/ingredients/slideshow/foods-that-can-kill-you
This man became ill and went to hospital after eating 3 cracked seeds:
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-lancashire-40738573

This sciencey man says that the lethal dose of cyanide is 1.5 mg/kg. He tests the 2 cherry pit theory with a cyanide test kit, and finds that the 2 contains only .004 mg cyanide. According to that math, I would need 21,000 cherry pits (at 56 kg body weight) to die (84 mg/.004 mg). Hmm. Either cherry seeds could never work, or his test is inaccurate.


This paper is probably the source of the figure above: 1.52 mg/kg is the lethal dose of cyanide.
https://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/toxprofiles/tp8-c2.pdf

This poison center says that 'accidentally eating several seeds or pits will not result in cyanide toxicity', and the case of the UK man above is a rare exception.
https://missouripoisoncenter.org/pits-food-safety/

As for apple seeds, apparently about 143 seeds (from about 18 apples) is needed to kill a 70 kg person:
https://sciencenotes.org/yes-apple-seeds-and-cherry-pits-contain-cyanide/

The pits of green plums have the highest amygdalin content, followed by apricots, black plums, peaches and red cherries, one study found. Apple seeds were next on the list.
https://www.today.com/health/amygdalin-fruit-pits-converted-cyanide-after-eating-t114515

It does all seem a bit dicey to me as a method, in terms of reliability. Apparently becoming sick from cyanide poisoning, without dying, is not nice at all:
https://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/toxprofiles/tp8-c2.pdf
 
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Aesthler

Aesthler

Death is the only God who comes when you call
Sep 25, 2018
416
According to this article, 1-2 crushed freshly cherry pits can be lethal:
https://www.bonappetit.com/test-kitchen/ingredients/slideshow/foods-that-can-kill-you
This man became ill and went to hospital after eating 3 cracked seeds:
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-lancashire-40738573

This sciencey man says that the lethal dose of cyanide is 1.5 mg/kg. He tests the 2 cherry pit theory with a cyanide test kit, and finds that the 2 contains only .004 mg cyanide. According to that math, I would need 21,000 cherry pits (at 56 kg body weight) to die (84 mg/.004 mg). Hmm. Either cherry seeds could never work, or his test is inaccurate.


This poison center says that 'accidentally eating several seeds or pits will not result in cyanide toxicity', and the case of the UK man above is a rare exception.
https://missouripoisoncenter.org/pits-food-safety/

As for apple seeds, apparently about 143 seeds (from about 18 apples) is needed to kill a 70 kg person:
https://sciencenotes.org/yes-apple-seeds-and-cherry-pits-contain-cyanide/

The pits of green plums have the highest amygdalin content, followed by apricots, black plums, peaches and red cherries, one study found. Apple seeds were next on the list.
https://www.today.com/health/amygdalin-fruit-pits-converted-cyanide-after-eating-t114515


Like I said you can certainly try it, I've been tempted to try it before too. I just would hate for it not to work, which is why I've been looking into other methods.
 
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Sayo

Sayo

Not 2B
Aug 22, 2018
520
Re N: 9g is only undoable without antiemetics or if your solution is weirdly diluted, like your past 40 bottles example. It is also very reliable as a method. Anyway, it's faster than or as fast as many poisons and more peaceful.

Not much is as effective as cyanide, no. Many interesting poisons seem to have the chance of delayed onset, which really sucks.
 
blurr21

blurr21

Student
Sep 13, 2018
152
Could someone upload or send the link to ppeh where a's email is mentioned would like to get my hands on n?
 
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J F

Member
Aug 17, 2018
79
Nembutal ? Hardly. You'd need sometime like 9,000 mg ? And death by that drug on its won is not guaranteed. Also, I happen to have a tolerance which makes that kind of thing much more difficult. Getting it seems nigh impossible. btw, I wonder why they discuss nembutal and not secobarbital but that's secondary.
Agreed I think it's easier to get the illicit stuff like coke or heroin than n.
 
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