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Lady Laudanum

Lady Laudanum

Here for a bad time, not a long time
May 9, 2024
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I've been entrusted to deliver @GuessWhosBack 's final remarks to this forum. I'll also add some of my own input but I'll be intentionally vague about certain details. Don't worry, it's good news. Although I hate to see him go and I'll miss him, I hope I never see that punk ass bitch again on this forum šŸ„²

He's in recovery and mentioned multiple times that he was no longer suicidal, so I think it's safe to assume that he's doing well. He was reluctant to check himself into the psych ward at first and for the first few days he was ambivalent about whether that was the right decision. Then, he made a breakthrough last week. He was able to tolerate the medication that he was prescribed, engage fully with therapy, and even meet someone that might become a lifelong friend in real life. His parents, who he likely thought didn't care about him, stepped up for the first time - better late than never. In the past few days, he actually had a good time in the psych ward and got along with the staff members as well as most of the patients. He'll be stepping away from SS indefinitely despite the fact that he met some really awesome people on here, because he considers that a necessary step in his recovery. I wish that motherfucker all the best and I hope he conquers the fucking world.

A few days before he voluntarily went to the psych ward, he sent me a DM, told me that he resigned from his job, and revealed his plans to CTB as well as his method, which was highly lethal but also gruesome. I told him that I respected his decision, but that it was not the outcome anyone would want for him. He seemed to have his mind made up at that time, and it is not my place to talk someone out of suicide if they're making a rational and informed decision. However, out of the blue, he messaged me and asked me whether I would voluntarily check myself in at the psych ward if I was in his situation. This was when I figured that he likely had second thoughts about his decision to CTB. I answered as honestly as possible, and said yes, even though I knew that he could end up with even more trauma from the psychiatric ward if he listened to my advice. I knew that I could potentially make the situation worse, but as soon as he seemed like he started having second thoughts, I knew there was a possibility of getting through to him.

He agreed to go to the psych ward voluntarily, under the conditions that I stay sober, take recovery from my own issues seriously, and give therapy another real chance - actually engage with therapy instead of simply going through the motions. I kept my promise and I intend to continue doing so. I know he can't verify whether I've actually been taking care of my physical and mental health, but I'm genuinely also ready to try my best to recover, because this is probably the best chance I will ever have in this life. He told me that it would take a miracle for him to come out of this whole situation alive, but now he's the one who left me behind on this forum to pursue recovery. How the tables have turned. Maybe a miracle did happen. Or maybe it wasn't a miracle, but just a testament to how resilient this stoopid idiot is.

People can call me pro-life and hate me for doing this all they want. I don't care and I know I did right by him. I saw that he had a potential second thought about CTB, and I knew that it was not SI. I knew that a small part of him wanted to entertain the possibility of turning things around and living a full life. He was a true friend and I'll willingly be shunned by the entire forum if it means that he's going to be ok. I have very few close friends but there is a whole lot I'm willing to do for people that really matter to me. Ruining my reputation on this forum is an inconsequential price to pay if it means I convinced him to do something that saved his own life.

I used to jokingly say that I had an evil plan to keep recommending new books to him, so that he never gets to CTB after finishing his reading list. Well, it looks like my evil plan worked after all, in a slightly different way. I win, bitch. But you win too. Enjoy your fucking prize and have a goooooooood life, you crayon eater. I knew you could do it all along, and I'm grateful for the privilege of being your friend for the past few weeks. Maybe one day we'll run into each other on a forum related to careers in STEM, without even knowing it. Whatever happens, I hope you're out there living your best life despite all the hardships you've been through. I have faith that you can weather the storm and live out the remainder of your life in relative peace. Love you bro. Godspeed, motherfucker.
 
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This is so beautiful! Ive got no clue who he is but this post has made me happy and proud for him. I know how hard it is to choose life, and it sounds like hes kicking ass ! Good for him !
 
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Wow, the first few words in that topic line were good for a scare.

Thank you for sharing this with us! You really did right by him in a big way. I'm so glad he had somebody like you to trust and confide in.

He always put off big-time good vibes as a member here, so I'll definitely miss his presence around here.

But I'm so glad to hear he's in recovery.

I wish that motherfucker all the best and I hope he conquers the fucking world.
I'll echo this. Well, you know... mostly... I'm... probably not quite on terms with him enough to greet him as a "motherfucker" but, otherwise, yeah, what you said.
 
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This is so beautiful! Ive got no clue who he is but this post has made me happy and proud for him. I know how hard it is to choose life, and it sounds like hes kicking ass ! Good for him !
Wow, the first few words in that topic line were good for a scare.

Thank you for sharing this with us! You really did right by him in a big way. I'm so glad he had somebody like you to trust and confide in.

He always put off big-time good vibes as a member here, so I'll definitely miss his presence around here.

But I'm so glad to hear he's in recovery.
He's one of the most wholesome members of SS for sure and I wish him all the best. I enjoyed bantering with him. He was always so nice and never said anything mean to anyone.

As a healthcare worker and as his friend I couldn't just stand by and watch him kill himself, knowing that he showed even one potential second thought.


I'll echo this. Well, you know... mostly... I'm... probably not quite on terms with him enough to greet him as a "motherfucker" but, otherwise, yeah, what you said.

He and I called each other worse things than that in DM all the time but I shouldn't repeat some of those words here. I'm so happy for him and I hope that he never comes back.
 
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I'm so happy form them!!! I hope they live a long happy life!
 
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Lady Laudanum

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I'm so happy form them!!! I hope they live a long happy life!
He's partly responsible for saving my life in August, when I tried to CTB. The least I can do to repay him is convince him to act on the second thoughts and give treatment one last chance, instead of giving up and CTB. I have no regrets.
 
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I'm so happy for him!! šŸ„°šŸ„°šŸ„°šŸ„°
 
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Lady Laudanum

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I'm so happy for him!! šŸ„°šŸ„°šŸ„°šŸ„°
I don't regret opening up to him or becoming his friend, even though I knew that our friendship was going to be temporary and we would never see each other again in a matter of a few months, tops. I'm just glad that I got to know him and be part of his journey to recovery.
 
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I don't regret opening up to him or becoming his friend, even though I knew that our friendship was going to be temporary and we would never see each other again in a matter of a few months, tops. I'm just glad that I got to know him and be part of his journey to recovery.
THIS is the kind of story the reporters slinking around here need to focus on!

I mean I came here looking to button up my choice(s) of ctb and now I'm hanging around just to give back to the site that literally saved my life. I've NEVER interacted on an internet forum (or chat room -- yep I am THAT old lol) or even with people FTF that I have ever been as welcomed and understood. And more importantly not judged. Y'all took me at face value and now I have a few new friends.

I just hope that if anyone EVER wants to chat will holler at me. And I'll chet about anything -- about about their choice to ctb, their choice of method, or whether their cat really loves them or not šŸ˜‰, or anything else they want to chat about. I may not be able to solve anyone's problems but I can sure sympathize ... šŸ¤·
 
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Lady Laudanum

Lady Laudanum

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THIS is the kind of story the reporters slinking around here need to focus on!

I mean I came here looking to button up my choice(s) of ctb and now I'm hanging around just to give back to the site that literally saved my life. I've NEVER interacted on an internet forum (or chat room -- yep I am THAT old lol) or even with people FTF that I have ever been as welcomed and understood. And more importantly not judged. Y'all took me at face value and now I have a few new friends.

I just hope that if anyone EVER wants to chat will holler at me. And I'll chet about anything -- about about their choice to ctb, their choice of method, or whether their cat really loves them or not šŸ˜‰, or anything else they want to chat about. I may not be able to solve anyone's problems but I can sure sympathize ... šŸ¤·
I'm so glad I joined SS. I won't be interacting with any content related to CTB because I find that it's not good for my mental health. I'm still going to interact with the recovery forum for now, but one day I might also decide to take a break from SS, and I may or may not pop in every now and then.

I lurked on here for years before finally making an account. Honestly, I think I would have ended up CTB if I never made an account and met some people on here who convinced me to give recovery one more chance. I owe my life partly to the people here who believed in me and continuously told me I can get through it all.
 
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@Lady Laudanum

I'm still planning to CTB, but I am a massive proponent of "choice" in the matter. You supported his choices, regardless of the potential outcomes, and for that, I've got mad respect for you!

Also, if you do end up chatting with him again, please tell him, from one crayon eater to another, to please enjoy his crayons! šŸ–ļøšŸ˜‹ šŸ˜œ
 
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@Lady Laudanum

I'm still planning to CTB, but I am a massive proponent of "choice" in the matter. You supported his choices, regardless of the potential outcomes, and for that, I've got mad respect for you!

Also, if you do end up chatting with him again, please tell him, from one crayon eater to another, to please enjoy his crayons! šŸ–ļøšŸ˜‹ šŸ˜œ
I'm the biggest crayon eater on this forum and you're not allowed to argue me about whether that's true. I'm a very big crayon eater in a small body.

If he never showed any second thoughts about his plan to CTB, I likely would not have said anything because at the end of the day whether he wants to live or not is his choice, despite what I would obviously want him to do. However, I think that if he showed a sign of hesitation that was not really due to last-minute SI, but the fact that maybe he wasn't 100% ready to leave, I made the right call by telling him to go for it when he asked about treatment.
 
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I'm the biggest crayon eater on this forum and you're not allowed to argue me about whether that's true. I'm a very big crayon eater in a small body.

As in a "1 in 7" crayon eater? (At least, that was the ratio back when I was a "WM"; which I've heard has since been banned as a phrase, but it was certainly what we were called " back in my day".)

If so, insert service-specific motto and grunt! :wink: And yes, the tinest WMs were far and away the meanest and hardest charging ones!

the fact that maybe he wasn't 100% ready to leave, I made the right call by telling him to go for it when he asked about treatment.

Yes, you absolutely made the right call! You presented options, you respected his choice, and you supported him regardless of his choice; honestly, I think that's really all that any of us on SaSu want.
 
Lady Laudanum

Lady Laudanum

Here for a bad time, not a long time
May 9, 2024
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As in a "1 in 7" crayon eater? (At least, that was the ratio back when I was a "WM"; which I've heard has since been banned as a phrase, but it was certainly what we were called " back in my day".)

If so, insert service-specific motto and grunt! :wink: And yes, the tinest WMs were far and away the meanest and hardest charging ones!
I'm so dedicated to crayon eating that I shoved one up my nose and it lodged inside my brain. That's why I'm a stupid idiot. You'll never be as much of a stoopid idiot as me.
Yes, you absolutely made the right call! You presented options, you respected his choice, and you supported him regardless of his choice; honestly, I think that's really all that any of us on SaSu want.
During the first week I was afraid that I made the wrong call and caused him unnecessary trauma, because he said that nothing was improving at all. I was not expecting him to suddenly make a breakthrough but that was literally the best surprise ever.
 
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wren-briar

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I'm so dedicated to crayon eating that I shoved one up my nose and it lodged inside my brain. That's why I'm a stupid idiot. You'll never be as much of a stoopid idiot as me.

:pfff:I'm dealing with ongoing mother-f'ing GI issues, so my hardy laugh hurt more than I can express! Here's to you and all our fellow crayon eaters!

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During the first week I was afraid that I made the wrong call and caused him unnecessary trauma...

At this point, and based on my own experiences, I honestly couldn't in good conscious recommend the psych ward to anyone who hasn't already experienced them. Given that, and the fact that he didn't appear to be benefiting from it initially, I can absolutely appreciate and understand your concern.

Fwiw: since I was put in the coffin room (which is what MADE me actively suicidal) and psychologically bullied (with the threat of involuntary state-sanctioned imprisonment) into "voluntarily" imprisoning myself, a much more humane alternative opened in our area. It is one of many "peer respite centers" that has been opened in recent years.

With a few exceptions, I would absolutely feel comfortable recommending a peer respite center to anyone considering, or being threatened with imprisonment in, the psych ward.

The exceptions are if someone (a) needs a very secure environment to be detoxed in, (b) needs to have on-site access to a prescriber and pharmacy for working through potential medication changes (although this one will actually vary quite a bit based on the respite center, it's proximity to medical services, the individual's ability to meet with a prescriber, their ability to drive to a pharmacy, and some other factors), or (c) is adamant on CTB.



Tangent:

For clarity on that last exception, my friends fought hard after I regained consciousness to have me released to our respite center instead of the psych ward, and given the fact that I'm still just as adament about CTB, this really put the respite center peers in a really crappy position.

To be crystal clear, if I had been put in a psych ward, I would ONLY have come out in a body bag, or been so thoroughly f'cked up by forced psychiatric "treatments" that I would no longer resemble me [at which point, who exactly are they really "saving"?].

But to be "successful" as a guest in a peer respite center, you have to want to improve, and all I want is to be dead.

I can say that when I had been actively seeking help to figure out what was wrong with my cognition, the peer respite center would have been a great starting spot -given the clear ineptitude of the supposed MH "professionals" I was dealing with- (specifically, one of the peers had experienced similar cognitive issues as a result of psych meds and other psych treatments, and it turned out that my cognitive issues were caused by 3 meds, the initial two being psych meds).

However, since the moment that I was actively denied exclusively unbiased medical care that I was actively seeking in the ER and instead was put in a coffin room, all I have truly wanted was to be dead already.

Hence, the respite center, while it was absolutely better for me than any psych prison could ever possibly have been, and to the extent that I postponed plans to CTB while I was there and for a brief period after leaving, it really wasn't an appropriate use of the peer respite center.


All of which is to say, if you find yourself in a similar situation, and there's a peer respite center available, I'd always recommend it over a psych prison of any sort! (And for the exceptions, I'd honestly do everything in my power to find an alternative to a psych prison.)
 
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Lady Laudanum

Lady Laudanum

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May 9, 2024
808
At this point, and based on my own experiences, I honestly couldn't in good conscious recommend the psych ward to anyone who hasn't already experienced them. Given that, and the fact that he didn't appear to be benefiting from it initially, I can absolutely appreciate and understand your concern.

Fwiw: since I was put in the coffin room (which is what MADE me actively suicidal) and psychologically bullied (with the threat of involuntary state-sanctioned imprisonment) into "voluntarily" imprisoning myself, a much more humane alternative opened in our area. It is one of many "peer respite centers" that has been opened in recent years.

With a few exceptions, I would absolutely feel comfortable recommending a peer respite center to anyone considering, or being threatened with imprisonment in, the psych ward.

The exceptions are if someone (a) needs a very secure environment to be detoxed in, (b) needs to have on-site access to a prescriber and pharmacy for working through potential medication changes (although this one will actually vary quite a bit based on the respite center, it's proximity to medical services, the individual's ability to meet with a prescriber, their ability to drive to a pharmacy, and some other factors), or (c) is adamant on CTB.
From what I know, the country that he lived in had fairly limited resources for patients suffering from mental health concerns. That's why I was really worried about causing him unnecessary trauma, for the first week or so.

However, he was the one who asked me whether he should give treatment one last chance. If someone asks me that, my answer is always going to be yes, because if you're asking then it means you still have doubts about CTB.
 
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From what I know, the country that he lived in had fairly limited resources for patients suffering from mental health concerns.

:aw: I hate that there aren't better systems in place for everyone who needs them! Thankfully his experience was so much better than a lot of us.

If someone asks me that, my answer is always going to be yes, because if you're asking then it means you still have doubts about CTB.

Given the available options, I would have done the same. And with hindsight, it's clear that it was the right thing for him at the time!
 

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