I was wondering if a 9 mm Glock 19 gun with Full Metal Jacket (FMJ) bullets could kill me if I shot myself in the heart. 9 mm guns are one of the most popular types of handguns, many people use them, they're lethal and also easier to control compared to other bigger guns that have bigger recoil. The Glock 19 is also a popular type of handgun. Hollow points are the most lethal type of bullets but they're illegal in Europe, Full Metal Jacket and other type of bullets are allowed. FMJ bullets are also lethal and powerful, would they be good enough for this? I know shot placement is the most important thing with this method, you have to aim correctly and hit your heart. I don't want to shoot myself in the head because there's a risk of failure with that. I would rather shoot myself in the heart, I have more courage for this method. Obviously there's a risk of failure with many methods including even this one, but in most cases shots to the heart are lethal because the heart is a major organ, if no one saves you then you most likely die. I think even shots to the lungs can kill you even though it would probably be a slower death. People killed themselves like this before by shooting themselves in the heart so the method should work. Would the type of gun and bullets I mentioned be good enough? What other types of guns and bullets would work? I want to see what opinions or suggestions you have about this
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Does anyone know or have any opinions or suggestions about this? Also I have to mention that I'm not sure if the bullet is strong and fast enough to hit the heart because the heart is located slightly on the left side of the sternum, the sternum is a strong bone, there are also a few ribs in front of the heart. I'm afraid that the bullet might ricochet if it hits the sternum or ribs, it might not penetrate the chest enough and hit the heart in order to kill me, I'm afraid the bullet might also hit the spine and leave me paralyzed but alive. I'm afraid of failure but I would still use a gun compared to other methods of suicide, I have more courage to shoot myself in the heart though and not in the head. I'm not a big or muscular type of person, I don't have fat either so maybe the bullet could hit my heart better. I was thinking that the type of gun and bullets I mentioned would be good enough to kill me but I want to see what other people who know about guns think about this
yellowraincoat225
please, forget I ever existed
- Dec 3, 2024
- 45
I don't know much about guns or bullets, but as you mentioned, the risk of becoming paralyzed is why I wouldn't use a gun as my method, personally. I know you're scared to shoot at your head, but I think the guide on this forum has instructions of how to aim to guarantee(?) it kills you, but they recommend a shotgun instead
Sure. It CAN kill you. If you're serious, then you'd probably want to use JHP and not FMJ. Just giving advice. Not encouraging, if this isn't what you want. Head shot wounds are almost 100% more fatal than a heart shot. But, if that's your region of choice, then use JHP to increase the likelihood of completion. The reason for this is that FMJ (Full Metal Jacket) bullets are mainly used either to wound (police use 9mm in the field, and they use them to wound) or as target practice. JHP (Jacketed Hollow Point) bullets are used to kill (SWAT and military teams use these in the field when carrying handguns - also, typically 9mm) or at the very least inflict more damage. Again, a FMJ CAN kill you. Any firearm CAN kill you. However, do your research. Firearms are a million times more reliable than the other stuff you read on this forum. (If you're serious)
Don't overthink it. Don't scare yourself into inactivity. People who are serious about going through with it find a way. You have a firearm. Humans are not borderline invincible. Don't think about the pain, and quite frankly, don't think about failure. Concentrate on a realistic way to carry it out.
Good luck in whatever you decide to do.
Don't overthink it. Don't scare yourself into inactivity. People who are serious about going through with it find a way. You have a firearm. Humans are not borderline invincible. Don't think about the pain, and quite frankly, don't think about failure. Concentrate on a realistic way to carry it out.
Good luck in whatever you decide to do.
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I don't think I would shoot myself in the head, I don't have the courage for that, I read about how to aim correctly at the head but I still wouldn't do it. Also using a shotgun is more scary and messy for me compared to using a handgun
I live in Europe and hollow points are illegal, I know that they're the most lethal type of bullets but I don't think I can use them. Full Metal Jacket and other types of bullets can be used in Europe though. I know that Full Metal Jacket bullets are also lethal and powerful, they're a popular type of bullet, many people use them so I was thinking that they should be good enough to kill me. I'm not sure if a 9 mm Glock 19 with Full Metal Jacket bullets is good enough though or if other types of handguns and bullets can also work for this method. I wouldn't want to use a bigger gun such as a shotgun that's for sure, and I wouldn't shoot myself in the head with any type of gun either, I'm afraid of the possibility or risk of failure if I shoot myself in the head but I have more courage to shoot myself in the heart, I know that people killed themselves like this before so this method should work. Heart wounds are just as lethal as head wounds since the heart is a major organ. I'm just afraid of failure, I know that guns are a reliable method though, it's also true that many methods have their own advantages and disadvantages, chances of success and risks of failure and very few months are 100% sure to work. I have more courage shooting myself in the heart than using other methods of suicide but I'm also not sure if it will work or not. I have to decide what to do. Also you said I should concentrate on a realistic way to carry it out, what do you mean by a realistic way?
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Well, pragmatic way. Just being realistic about where to fire, what kind of gun to use, and all. I mean, if you look at history, slaughterhouses in the U.S. used to put down cows with a .22. Now, think about a cow's head. lol.
9mm is powerful enough. Any gun, really. Using FMJ to the heart can be a gamble. Not to say that it WON'T work. I'll never say what won't happen with a firearm. However, a JHP would inflict more damage on the heart and increase the likelihood of completion. I, personally, am going to do a head shot. I'm not going to suggest anything for you. Heart wounds are NOT as lethal as head wounds. Here are some pieces to read, if you're interested.
Gunshot Wound Head Trauma
Gunshot wounds to the head have become a leading cause of traumatic brain injury (TBI) in many urban areas in the U.S. due, in part, to a surge in gang
www.aans.org
Gunshot-Related Cardiac Trauma: A Multidisciplinary Approach Using Multimodality Imaging - PMC
Key Words: 3-dimensional imaging, cardiac magnetic resonance, Doppler ultrasound, echocardiography, hemodynamics, imaging, pericardial effusion, tamponade, ultrasound
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
While a wound to the heart CAN be fatal, the percentages are not as high as to the head. Both areas can be fatal, but there are many factors that can determine survival. Not to dissuade you, because your chosen method is still very viable and reliable. However, just shining some light on the differences between them. The chances of survival from cardiac trauma are sometimes higher than that to the brain. That said, if you've done enough of your own research and have faith in it, then so be it. You seem confident and somewhat serious. You're not on here asking if table salt or bleach will kill you. If you're set on doing this, I wish for you the desired outcome. I just wanted to help where I could. I wish you peace and serenity on your journey, whatever you decide to do.
I understand, thank you for the informations, they're helpful. About being pragmatic and knowing where to shoot, I would point the gun where the heart is located, there are photos on google that show exactly the location of the heart and also if you put your hand on your chest, slightly on the left area of the chest you can feel the heartbeat so that's where the heart is. The heart is a big organ so it shouldn't be difficult to locate it and aim at it with a gun. It's not the biggest organ but it's still big. I think even if you shoot yourself in the lungs you can still die even though it would be a slower death. I think heart wounds are lethal if you're not found and saved in time, a gunshot to the heart might not cause such a fast death as gunshots to the head so death can be a bit slower but if you're not saved by someone and taken to a hospital then you most likely die. If I shoot myself in the heart with the type of gun and bullets I mentioned it would be even better to shoot myself again after the first shot to be sure I die but I'm not sure if after the first shot I'll be able to hold the gun and do it, that's why it's very important to aim and hit the heart correctly, that's what makes me stressed about this, what if the bullet doesn't hit the heart, ricochets, hits my spine and paralyzes me leaving me still alive, what if the bullet hits the sternum or ribs and doesn't penetrate them enough and reach the heart and kill me, Full Metal Jacket bullets can penetrate better than hollow points so they should hit the heart but I'm not sure, the fear of failure makes me stressed about all of these things. I don't want to fail, I want to succeed in killing myself, I thought that a gun and shooting myself in the heart would be easier than other methods, I know for sure I have more courage to do this method than others, but not even this method is 100% sure to work, even though it's true that guns are more reliable and sure to kill you compared to other methods and gunshots to the heart are in most cases lethal if no one saves you. I know you said you don't want to suggest things, I understand, but can you say if other types of guns or bullets are good for this method to work? Keep in mind hollow points are illegal in Europe so I can't use them. I know that Full Metal Jacket bullets are the most popular and used type of bullets after hollow points, but what about other types of bullets? Also I thought about using a 9 mm gun because it's easier to control since it doesn't have a big recoil compared to other bigger guns, but it's still a powerful gun. Would other types of handguns be good as well? And lastly, you said survival from head and heart wounds depends on different things, what do you think they depend on more specifically? I'm asking these things because any informations and even just opinions can be helpful. These are the last things I'll ask if you don't want to say anything else, I wanted to know more about thisWell, pragmatic way. Just being realistic about where to fire, what kind of gun to use, and all. I mean, if you look at history, slaughterhouses in the U.S. used to put down cows with a .22. Now, think about a cow's head. lol.
9mm is powerful enough. Any gun, really. Using FMJ to the heart can be a gamble. Not to say that it WON'T work. I'll never say what won't happen with a firearm. However, a JHP would inflict more damage on the heart and increase the likelihood of completion. I, personally, am going to do a head shot. I'm not going to suggest anything for you. Heart wounds are NOT as lethal as head wounds. Here are some pieces to read, if you're interested.
Gunshot Wound Head Trauma
Gunshot wounds to the head have become a leading cause of traumatic brain injury (TBI) in many urban areas in the U.S. due, in part, to a surge in gang
Gunshot-Related Cardiac Trauma: A Multidisciplinary Approach Using Multimodality Imaging - PMC
Key Words: 3-dimensional imaging, cardiac magnetic resonance, Doppler ultrasound, echocardiography, hemodynamics, imaging, pericardial effusion, tamponade, ultrasound
While a wound to the heart CAN be fatal, the percentages are not as high as to the head. Both areas can be fatal, but there are many factors that can determine survival. Not to dissuade you, because your chosen method is still very viable and reliable. However, just shining some light on the differences between them. The chances of survival from cardiac trauma are sometimes higher than that to the brain. That said, if you've done enough of your own research and have faith in it, then so be it. You seem confident and somewhat serious. You're not on here asking if table salt or bleach will kill you. If you're set on doing this, I wish for you the desired outcome. I just wanted to help where I could. I wish you peace and serenity on your journey, whatever you decide to do.
Ask all you want. While I'm here, I'm happy to help. You're right about being shot in the lungs. One of my coworkers died in a firing accident from being shot in the femur. He bled out before help could arrive. I wasn't with him, but his wife described it to me. If one doesn't mind the pain and slower death, then yeah, one can be shot pretty much anywhere and pull off catching the bus.
Does anyone else have any informations, suggestions or opinions about this? I want to know more about this
joyfulegirl999
Odihuu
- Oct 11, 2024
- 42
I personally would do in the head to ensure, just straight in the mouth to the brain but you gotta aim it correctly. If you do plan on doing it then farewell my friend!
It's very likely you'd just end up very badly wounded. Read the thread on non-methods. People survive gunshot wounds. A lot of people. Even headshots. Bullets don't go in a straight line even at point blank. Shoot yourself in the chest and the round could ricochet off ribs, organs, come out your left ass cheek rupturing everything vital on the way and you still live, except now you have a colostomy bag the rest of your life. Plus a broken wrist from the recoil. Or you miss your heart, sever your spine and now you're a paraplegic for the rest of your life, a true candidate for euthenasia.
If you watch those cop bodycam videos on YouTube you see people survive multiple gunshot wounds routinely. It's unreliable, messy and (assuming you live in the US) costly as you'll not only be permanently wounded or disfigured you'll face insurmountable medical bills and months of miserable recovery and physio.
Headshots are also no guarantee. Sure, it might work, especially with a high powered AR or shotgun, but just as likely to blow your jaw off and live, or suffer brain damage and be a disfigured vegetable.
Given the availability of peaceful and more reliable methods...
If you watch those cop bodycam videos on YouTube you see people survive multiple gunshot wounds routinely. It's unreliable, messy and (assuming you live in the US) costly as you'll not only be permanently wounded or disfigured you'll face insurmountable medical bills and months of miserable recovery and physio.
Headshots are also no guarantee. Sure, it might work, especially with a high powered AR or shotgun, but just as likely to blow your jaw off and live, or suffer brain damage and be a disfigured vegetable.
Given the availability of peaceful and more reliable methods...
Using guns is one of the most reliable and lethal methods, if you get shot in major organs then you most likely die. There are cases of people surviving from gunshots maybe because they didn't aim correctly, didn't use a powerful enough gun and type of bullet or maybe they got saved by someone, but usually guns are more reliable than other methods. If people killed themselves with this method before then it should work. I don't know what other more peaceful or reliable methods you thought about, other methods could be more painless compared to this but that doesn't mean they're more reliable. Many methods have their own chances of success and risks of failure, few methods are 100% sure to work. Maybe euthanasia is a more peaceful and sure way to work but that's not an option for many people, other more reliable methods that I can think of aren't peaceful, such as jumping from a big height, maybe drowning or other more painful or brutal methods that don't involve guns. Other than that many other methods have their own risks of failure. I know there are people who prefer to scare or confuse other people from not doing the methods they would want to do, such as guns for example, because they're a more reliable method yet not many people can have them, or some just want to scare or confuse others just for the fun of it, for no particular reason, they would rather want people to do more risky methods. Or some just say wrong informations about methods. Of course I don't have proof for this but sometimes it can be clear or that's the feeling some give. I don't know if you have knowledge about guns or if you have a gun, maybe you do or maybe you don't, I'm not sure but as I said usually guns are a more reliable method than others considering that few methods are completely certain to work, there are risks with many methods
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theater
Member
- Dec 10, 2024
- 59
There is a LOT of information readily available on Google regarding lethality of every possible ammunition and gun and scenario. There are hundreds of papers on lethality of suicide with firearms available for free on Google. There is an entire thread available here with a lot of detail for this method. Please use these available resources to become informed.
I'm very informed on this topic. I would say not to use the exact method you've described.
I'm very informed on this topic. I would say not to use the exact method you've described.
I read about suicide by guns on google, about different types of guns, bullets, about the lethality of suicide by guns etc. From what I read in most cases gunshots to the heart and to the chest area in general are lethal, if no one saves you then you die. You don't have to shoot yourself just in the head to die from a gun, if you get shot in other major organs you also die although death can be slower. I watched videos on a gore website, it's called watchpeopledie, of people killing themselves by shooting themselves in the chest with guns, be it with handguns or bigger guns, although I'm not sure what type of bullets they used and if all of them died, but they probably died. The heart is a major organ and people killed themselves like this before so it should work. I'm not asking for informations, suggestions or opinions about this without me having read about this. But I'm curious to know what other people who know about guns think about this because it can be helpful to see what others say about this. I read the first page of the gun thread but I haven't seen discussions about shooting yourself in the heart, although I think I saw a few posts and comments a while ago from people about this but not on the gun thread. The gun thread also has a lot of pages and I didn't read all of it. You said you're informed about this topic, why do you think I shouldn't use this method?
theater
Member
- Dec 10, 2024
- 59
Great points for real.
I'll answer the final sentence question. I, personally, would not shoot myself in the chest because it would be too painful and slow for me. I would most likely die after several minutes to hours. Because I would not do this, I "have" to say that I don't recommend this method.
I really want to understand what you want to know so I can respond to that. I'm not the best at understanding anyone. I noticed you said you aren't looking for information, and you do want to hear something from others. I suppose I don't know what else to say.
I do like the idea of shooting myself in the heart from an emotional standpoint. It is like, that's where a lot of my personal pain seems to live long term.
ThatRussianDude
**** yeah, give it to me this is Heaven.
- Dec 16, 2024
- 43
This should be posted on the firearm mega thread, no?
I saw in person shot in the heart with a handgun bullet, similar to your 9 mm except it was an expanding bullet and it did expand tremendously, once. Death was instantaneous.
It should be successful. Most failures are due to poor aiming and last split second involuntary flinching, and because of inadequate fire power. The mouth method is good because the gun barrel is stabilized with the lips and teeth. Perhaps there's a way to tape the gun barrel on to your chest to alleviate the possibility of the last instant flinch. If you must do this do it in a private place and take blood thinners or aspirin and maybe fish oil too so that if you do not die instantly you will bleed out. Use the most powerful 9mm you can obtain, 9mm +P or +P+ if you can get it and if your firearm can handle it. I think you should die instantly if you hit the heart.
I am sorry that you - we - are here and thinking like this. God bless you.
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JustHere1
In a way, in a shape, in a form.
- Dec 21, 2024
- 127
Just reading through - the firearm megathread has been inactive for some time - I made a post there that has remained unanswered since last month. Generally heart is not recommended but if you land a hit you're golden, but I've heard it is painful and not instant, but will be faster than many methods.
I think "painful and not instant" if you miss the heart, which is possible. As always, a shotgun would be best, and i agree with you, i favor the mouth method. I wish I had the courage to do it instead of just talking about it.
If one were to post on the firearm megathread it would be bumped up to the top (where it belongs), right? Perhaps all the megathreads should be stickies. And while I'm complaining about things I would like it if the edit and delete features were not time limited.
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JustHere1
In a way, in a shape, in a form.
- Dec 21, 2024
- 127
And yes if you post it gets bumped. The megathreads should all be stickied tbh. And yes I agree about the edit/delete options, I find it odd it's not possible to at least edit a slightly older post.
JesiBel
Harpy
- Dec 5, 2024
- 14
I have only heard about this method once:
RenƩ Favaloro's death, the Argentine surgeon who invented the bypass coronary surgery, shot himself in the heart.
But I don't know what type of firearm he used.
I think handling firearms requires a lot of precision or practice.
RenƩ Favaloro's death, the Argentine surgeon who invented the bypass coronary surgery, shot himself in the heart.
But I don't know what type of firearm he used.
I think handling firearms requires a lot of precision or practice.
Well, there's something in favor of that method if one of the world's top experts on anatomy chose it! What firearm he used would be interesting. There's a big difference in the diameter of a 9mm bullet and a big shotgun shell (which was Ernest Hemingway's method, in the head I believe, a double barrel shotgun, but i don't know if both barrels fired. If they did that's pretty failsafe.)
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JesiBel
Harpy
- Dec 5, 2024
- 14
I found some information. I used a translator:
"He bought the revolver and learned how to use it.
He said he was going to buy a 357 Magnum Taurus. A silver revolver with a black rubber grip.
The seller says he told the doctor that -if you have a gun and don't know how to use it, it's like having a car and not knowing how to drive-."
Digital newspaper: https://www.lanacion.com.ar/socieda...pro-el-revolver-y-aprendio-a-usarlo-nid27566/
That's all I found. I don't know about firearms, I've never had one near me or in my hands.
Without practice or information, I would be cautious about considering this a "safe" method.
Thank you. .357 magnum is a very effective handgun caliber. It's the same that the politician Bud Dwyer used to publicly shoot himself in the head with in 1986. The video of him doing so is online someplace.
I like this response. Do the research if you're serious.
He said he can't get hollow point bullets.
Re Pariah above: "police use [fmj] 9mm in the field, and they use them to wound"
Police never carry ammo "to wound". They carry ammo to stop the threat ASAP.
On second thought I take that back. Rubber bullets are "to wound". I have no familiarity with them.
If you are interested in the relative effectiveness of various guns and ammo look at gun and ammo testing sites on youtube, like "Gun Sam".
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Young
Member
- Dec 8, 2024
- 54
Maybe gun to the head + drowning would do the job and you won't feel anything. Not saying you should so it, but it's like 99% chance you will die
5karlet
10/325
- Feb 13, 2024
- 36
i feel like if there's a huge hole in your heart there's kinda no coming back from that
w method?
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