Method Hanging is probably very painful

[Oneiron]

Of course no one know how painful hanging is really until dead. This is just my idea.

What i found is that when compressing the carotid arteries (which should be the main goal in hanging), consciousness vanish in 1-10 seconds. Blood flow to the brain should stop and death result in a few minutes. However, there are other arteries burried in your spinal column that carry blood to your brain, which should be incompressible by conventional hanging. By keeping pressure only to the carotid arteries, one should regain consciousness after few minutes, because your brain adapte to use the blood from the veterbra arteries. This is also what i experience: after keeping pressure to the neck, i regain consciousness even when the pressure is still applied. Also in a lot of suicide videos you can see that even if a person gets unconsciousness from hanging (indicated by a loss in muscle tone and switching), after several seconds/minutes, there are seemingly purposeful movement of the arms to remove the knot from the neck, which could indicate that the person regained consciousness and is suffering a lot of pain, trying to rescue himself.

What are your thoughts?

 

[the_path_of_sorrows]

Even if the pain will be there, it will pass soon as I pass out, then pass away. That's how I try to calm myself down. I think that being in that mental state to understand what the last minutes of suffering can be like is very important. Careful preparations are also needed. That's what I'm currently aiming for.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

The goal of hanging should be not to compress your trachea.

 

[failureofahuman]

Someone please elaborate on the veterbra artery theory, this is very concerning to me. I would hope that you would already lose the ability to breathe properly before you switch over, so you'd be unable to regain consciousness anyway?

 

[lawlietsph]

I've only tried partial hanging before (obviously I did it extremely wrong as I am still here), but all I could feel was like my head and my eyeballs are going to explode. It was such a pressure in the head that it made me panic.
Hanging is still my preferred method, idk what I did wrong and maybe this is irrelevant

 

[Despair 7]

This is making me so much concerned. Can someone please assure the fact that we lose consciousness after few seconds and never gain it back

 

[Permanoir]

I think you misunderstood full suspension hanging. First, if you press your carotid arteries quickly and with enough pressure you should lose consciousness in a few seconds. There is no way other arteries that you described can compensate for the blood flow required to keep you conscious. Secondly, the involuntary movements are not conscious at all. They are muscle spasms which happen as your brain tries to get oxygen rich blood from other parts of your body. You may also notice agonal breathing.

 

[derekWest]

Of course no one know how painful hanging is really until dead. This is just my idea.

What i found is that when compressing the carotid arteries (which should be the main goal in hanging), consciousness vanish in 1-10 seconds. Blood flow to the brain should stop and death result in a few minutes. However, there are other arteries burried in your spinal column that carry blood to your brain, which should be incompressible by conventional hanging. By keeping pressure only to the carotid arteries, one should regain consciousness after few minutes, because your brain adapte to use the blood from the veterbra arteries. This is also what i experience: after keeping pressure to the neck, i regain consciousness even when the pressure is still applied. Also in a lot of suicide videos you can see that even if a person gets unconsciousness from hanging (indicated by a loss in muscle tone and switching), after several seconds/minutes, there are seemingly purposeful movement of the arms to remove the knot from the neck, which could indicate that the person regained consciousness and is suffering a lot of pain, trying to rescue himself.

What are your thoughts?

"veterbra arteries"

i don't see them : https://www.zygotebody.com/#nav=11.96,138.35,54.24,0,0,0,0&sel=p:;h:;s:;c:0;o:0&layers=0,1,3697

 

[JesiBel]

Loss of consciousness is the critical factor for it is the state when the victim is no longer able to save himself or herself. Without loss of consciousness survival may occur, but with it, death becomes inevitable. The question then arises :- what is the cause of unconsciousness? In physiological terms, carotid artery occlusion induces rapid unconsciousness, i.e. within 11 to 12 seconds, resulting ultimately in death. In other words, the sudden application and unremitting pressure of the ligature must inevitably result in death. On the other hand, the sudden application of a ligature with consequent vagal nerve compression may produce instantaneous cardiac arrest with cessation of blood flow to the brain and resultant loss of consciousness. This event would produce unconsciousness in less than the time period of 11 seconds of carotid artery occlusion (although the brain continues to survive for several minutes thereafter despite cessation of heart beat). If, however, unconsciousness is contributed to by phrenic nerve compression, it would not be instantaneous as shown by the fact that one can normally hold one's breath for several minutes (as underwater swimmers do) and unconsciousness does not supervene either instantaneously or within 11 seconds. In short, unconsciousness would not occur within 11 seconds in the case of compression of the phrenic nerve unless a more critical factor supervenes.Thus, the rapidity of onset of unconsciousness appears to be the critical factor in determining the progression to ultimate (and inevitable) death.

Neurovascular lesions and mechanisms in suicidal hanging: an anatomical, physiological and pathological study

Background and Purposes Suicide by hanging is a relatively common occurrence. The actual cause of death in suicidal hanging is, however, controversial, having been attributed variously to asphyxia, carotid artery compression and vagal nerve stimulation. The aim of this Ph.D thesis was to...

wiredspace.wits.ac.za

 

[Eudaimonic]

Ligature placement is crucial

 

[Gustav Hartmann]

When the brain recognises that it´s energy supply has stopped because the bloodflow to the brain is blocked, the brain goes in it´s energy saving mode, unconsciousness. This is the strategy of the selfish brain to survive as long as possible. Consciousness, dreaming and near death experiences are the biggest energy consumers. From this point of view, it makes no sense to regain consciousness before the blood is allowed to flow again. When I was hanged non lethally I was laying on the ground for some seconds before I came back. During this period I had probably so called near death experiences on the other side.
It needs more pressure on the neck to close the vertebrae arteries than to close the carotids, but if you hang full and the noose tightens proberly, they will be closed too. Thought it is not necessary to block the vertebraes because they supply the brain stem with blood whilst the carotids supply the cortex where consciusness takes place.

 

[conflagration]

I tried full suspension hanging once and i was terrified of how painful it was.

Could you elaborate? How did you survive?

 

[Oneiron]

I think you misunderstood full suspension hanging. First, if you press your carotid arteries quickly and with enough pressure you should lose consciousness in a few seconds. There is no way other arteries that you described can compensate for the blood flow required to keep you conscious. Secondly, the involuntary movements are not conscious at all. They are muscle spasms which happen as your brain tries to get oxygen rich blood from other parts of your body. You may also notice agonal breathing.

You are right that consciousness is lost after a few seconds. However, the circulatory system of the brain is kind of special, since arterial blood can flow to any part of the brain, regardless of its origination. Even if its said that the veterbral arteries "only" supply certain parts of the brain with oxygen in, its blood can reach all other areas of the brain. Of course this isn't enough to support the energy demands of the brain for long, but still enough that even patients with carotid occlusion can survive for a unusal long time. The same is true if only one carotid artery is obstructed: the other one will compensate for that. My theory is that such compensation mechanism can potentially lead to a regain of consciousness.

"veterbra arteries"

i don't see them : https://www.zygotebody.com/#nav=11.96,138.35,54.24,0,0,0,0&sel=p:;h:;s:;c:0;o:0&layers=0,1,3697

Vertebral artery - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Since blood flow in the brain is rather "open", every artery terminating here can potentially support any part of the brain, regardless of its origin, but not for a long time

When the brain recognises that it´s energy supply has stopped because the bloodflow to the brain is blocked, the brain goes in it´s energy saving mode, unconsciousness. This is the strategy of the selfish brain to survive as long as possible. Consciousness, dreaming and near death experiences are the biggest energy consumers. From this point of view, it makes no sense to regain consciousness before the blood is allowed to flow again. When I was hanged non lethally I was laying on the ground for some seconds before I came back. During this period I had probably so called near death experiences on the other side.
It needs more pressure on the neck to close the vertebrae arteries than to close the carotids, but if you hang full and the noose tightens proberly, they will be closed too. Thought it is not necessary to block the vertebraes because they supply the brain stem with blood whilst the carotids supply the cortex where consciusness takes place.

While they "normally" supply only certain parts of the brain, its blood can still reach every other area in the brain because of its special circulatory system. Im not sure if the vertebral arteries are really compressible to a degree that blood flow is sufficiently stopped, since they are protected by bone.

 

[JesiBel]

It's funny how a method that has been tried and tested for hundreds of years still leaves people with doubts. If you tie the knot right, you get it in the right position, you have a strong anchor point, you apply all your weight while hanging, you will certainly die. Without anyone interrupting you in the process of course. I don't understand so many negative posts about hanging. You don't need a PhD in science. There are videos, there are photos, there is information available, there are real life cases in whatever country you look for... I don't get it.

 

[Oneiron]

It's funny how a method that has been tried and tested for hundreds of years still leaves people with doubts. If you tie the knot right, you get it in the right position, you have a strong anchor point, you apply all your weight while hanging, you will certainly die. Without anyone interrupting you in the process of course. I don't understand so many negative posts about hanging. You don't need a PhD in science. There are videos, there are photos, there is information available, there are real life cases in whatever country you look for... I don't get it.

No one doubt that you will die when you hang yourself. Its just about how painfull it is and if consciousness is really lost after few seconds forever or there is a chance that you wake up and feel the suffocation.

In plenty of suicide videos you can see that the person first becomes atonic and then twitches its muscles strongly (which indicate lose of consciousness). Then (after several seconds), there are seemingly purposeful movement of the arms to the ligature, which i doubt are just uncontrollable muscle spasms.

 

[anagram]

It's funny how a method that has been tried and tested for hundreds of years still leaves people with doubts. If you tie the knot right, you get it in the right position, you have a strong anchor point, you apply all your weight while hanging, you will certainly die. Without anyone interrupting you in the process of course. I don't understand so many negative posts about hanging. You don't need a PhD in science. There are videos, there are photos, there is information available, there are real life cases in whatever country you look for... I don't get it.

No pain no gain tbh. The pain is temporary and consciousness is lost quick. Hanging is the most common and accessible method in the world. Sasu users just like to be overly doubtful and paranoid so much so they're stuck in analysis paralysis and ask too many theoretical questions instead of actually trying it. I myself am guilty of this. I settled on hanging now because of its certainty. The pain would be brief compared to what I mentally struggle through

 

[Oneiron]

Sasu users just like to be overly doubtful and paranoid so much so they're stuck in analysis paralysis and ask too many theoretical questions instead of actually trying it.

Thats the point of this forum

 

[derekWest]

maybe you can put a bag on yourself filling with He or N2O before hanging to be sure that lost of consciousnesss occur ?

No pain no gain tbh. The pain is temporary and consciousness is lost quick. Hanging is the most common and accessible method in the world. Sasu users just like to be overly doubtful and paranoid so much so they're stuck in analysis paralysis and ask too many theoretical questions instead of actually trying it. I myself am guilty of this. I settled on hanging now because of its certainty. The pain would be brief compared to what I mentally struggle through

some video seem to revealed that unconsciouness can take some time before happen !

 

[JesiBel]

No one doubt that you will die when you hang yourself. Its just about how painfull it is and if consciousness is really lost after few seconds forever or there is a chance that you wake up and feel the suffocation.

In plenty of suicide videos you can see that the person first becomes atonic and then twitches its muscles strongly (which indicate lose of consciousness). Then (after several seconds), there are seemingly purposeful movement of the arms to the ligature, which i doubt are just uncontrollable muscle spasms.

If they are still struggling hanging from the rope it is because they are suffocating and something went wrong.

Could you attach those videos? If they were not unconscious in 15 seconds, it is because they performed the procedure incorrectly (type of ligature, position of the ligature), fear or indecision, they did not check their anatomy (do you feel a strong pulse on both sides of the neck? Is your neck thin or muscular?)

In my first comment I attached a link, it has a 500 page pdf on the medical and clinical part of hanging as suicide. If you wish to read it.

 

[Anon7075]

Tried partial hanging dozens of times and i lost conciousness multiple times only to regain it and enter a total panic attack. (When the brain is hypoxic and you enter into this hypoxic state the brain goes full on adrenaline and survival instincts automatically kick in. You forget who you are, what you are, where you are, when you are, the only thing you feel is immense panic and pressure from the noose which your subconcious survival instinct wants to remove and it did so succesfully in every attempt i tried.)

P.S. Partial hanging is fucking brutal. I don't reccomend it to anyone

 

[Jorms_McGander]

Of course no one know how painful hanging is really until dead. This is just my idea.

What i found is that when compressing the carotid arteries (which should be the main goal in hanging), consciousness vanish in 1-10 seconds. Blood flow to the brain should stop and death result in a few minutes. However, there are other arteries burried in your spinal column that carry blood to your brain, which should be incompressible by conventional hanging. By keeping pressure only to the carotid arteries, one should regain consciousness after few minutes, because your brain adapte to use the blood from the veterbra arteries. This is also what i experience: after keeping pressure to the neck, i regain consciousness even when the pressure is still applied. Also in a lot of suicide videos you can see that even if a person gets unconsciousness from hanging (indicated by a loss in muscle tone and switching), after several seconds/minutes, there are seemingly purposeful movement of the arms to remove the knot from the neck, which could indicate that the person regained consciousness and is suffering a lot of pain, trying to rescue himself.

What are your thoughts?

I think the movements you see in hanging videos are instinctive. We have some complicated movements coded in the deep parts of our brain. For example during drowning, a person will make movements like climbing a ladder and they do that only using the basic brain anatomy near the base/center of the brain. Nothing human about doing that; no consciousness necessary for that so I think grabbing at the neck could also be a fully instinctive motion.

Similar to how a person should expect their unconscious body to thrash around a little during an inert gas suffocation; this doesn't mean they become conscious and thrash around, it's the basic brain doing that.

 

[Worndown]

Ideas are worderful.
Have you practiced? How did it feel?

 

[fkyou]

Tried partial hanging dozens of times and i lost conciousness multiple times only to regain it and enter a total panic attack. (When the brain is hypoxic and you enter into this hypoxic state the brain goes full on adrenaline and survival instincts automatically kick in. You forget who you are, what you are, where you are, when you are, the only thing you feel is immense panic and pressure from the noose which your subconcious survival instinct wants to remove and it did so succesfully in every attempt i tried.)

P.S. Partial hanging is fucking brutal. I don't reccomend it to anyone

Which position did you use and what was your setup?I mean anchor point and everything

 

[Oneiron]

If they are still struggling hanging from the rope it is because they are suffocating and something went wrong.

Could you attach those videos? If they were not unconscious in 15 seconds, it is because they performed the procedure incorrectly (type of ligature, position of the ligature), fear or indecision, they did not check their anatomy (do you feel a strong pulse on both sides of the neck? Is your neck thin or muscular?)

In my first comment I attached a link, it has a 500 page pdf on the medical and clinical part of hanging as suicide. If you wish to read it.

I have seen the document and will read it.

Im not sure if such videos are allowed, so i will explain one:

In that video you see a woman hanging herself, with her hands around the rope above her head. As she dropped, she let lose of the rope and simultaneously start shaking her body after exactly 11 seconds. I would indicate that as unconsciousness. After about 40 seconds from dropping, she grabs the rope above her head again and tried to pull herself up for a few seconds before starting to spasm again. Such complex behavior (knowing where the rope is, grab it and knowing that by pulling the body up she could relief the pain) can be a possible indication of consciousness.

 

[conflagration]

Y

Yes: it was february, 2024. I was alone in the apartement. I tied a noose and drove it around a door, i fixed the other end on a door knob. I stood on a chair with a noose around my neck. I didn't kick the chair away, i just slowely let myself down the chair. I must have hanged for about 20 seconds, the most painful 20 seconds of my life. I waited for me to lose conciousness but it did not come within 20-30 seconds then my si kicked in and i stood back up on the chair. I was grasping for air and it left a painful mark on my neck...

Thanks for answer. Terrifying and shocking that you didn't loose consciousness after 30s...
I was considering hanging, but now definitely I will not choose this method.

 

[Gustav Hartmann]

While they "normally" supply only certain parts of the brain, its blood can still reach every other area in the brain because of its special circulatory system. Im not sure if the vertebral arteries are really compressible to a degree that blood flow is sufficiently stopped, since they are protected by bone.

You refer to the circle of Willis, which connects the two brain halves as well as the vertebral arteries with other vessels of the cerebral circulation. My personal experience is, that I pass out reliable within 5 to 15 seconds even when the knot is placed between ear and eye so that the rope exerts pressure only on one side of my neck. Maybe the vessels of the circle of Willis are generally so narrow that due to throttling not much blood comes through. Or it happens only to me because I am old and my vessels are calcified. At least it seems to be impossible to become unconscious only in one cerebral hemisphere.

Page 35 of the attached document "Essentials of Autopsy Practice" give some information about the compressibility of the vertebrals. The document "Vascular Neck Restraints" seems to underline that one passes out without blocking the vertebrals.

I have seen the document and will read it.

Im not sure if such videos are allowed, so i will explain one:

In that video you see a woman hanging herself, with her hands around the rope above her head. As she dropped, she let lose of the rope and simultaneously start shaking her body after exactly 11 seconds. I would indicate that as unconsciousness. After about 40 seconds from dropping, she grabs the rope above her head again and tried to pull herself up for a few seconds before starting to spasm again. Such complex behavior (knowing where the rope is, grab it and knowing that by pulling the body up she could relief the pain) can be a possible indication of consciousness.

I know this video and she is for sure not regaining consciousness. If there were a close up of her eyes it would be obvious. If she was really conscious again, why was she not able to hold the rope. I am sure, the subconscious mind tries a self-rescue, but the person fails because the coordination of consciousness was absent.

 

[Oneiron]

My personal experience is, that I pass out reliable within 5 to 15 seconds even when the knot is placed between ear and eye so that the rope exerts pressure only on one side of my neck.

Did you know if this unconsciousness really persist? When i compress my carotid arteries, i pass out in less then 5 seconds but wake up after about 20-40 seconds, being full conscious while the pressure is still applied. Even if i compress them further, nothing happens. Only if the pressure is released for few minutes and reapplied i lose consciousness again.

 

[purelydaft]

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Yes: it was february, 2024. I was alone in the apartement. I tied a noose and drove it around a door, i fixed the other end on a door knob. I stood on a chair with a noose around my neck. I didn't kick the chair away, i just slowely let myself down the chair. I must have hanged for about 20 seconds, the most painful 20 seconds of my life. I waited for me to lose conciousness but it did not come within 20-30 seconds then my si kicked in and i stood back up on the chair. I was grasping for air and it left a painful mark on my neck...

For others reading this, avoid easing into full suspension. You want the noose to quickly tighten and compress, so the extra force when stepping off is beneficial.

 

[iamgood]

No pain no gain tbh. The pain is temporary and consciousness is lost quick. Hanging is the most common and accessible method in the world. Sasu users just like to be overly doubtful and paranoid so much so they're stuck in analysis paralysis and ask too many theoretical questions instead of actually trying it. I myself am guilty of this. I settled on hanging now because of its certainty. The pain would be brief compared to what I mentally struggle through

I have seen one of your posts on strangulation. You mentioned that it's better to keep the shoelace at the top, but some research articles say it's faster to compress carotid arteries at the bottom of the neck, and it reduces the pressure on the trachea. I may try to full suspension and not yet sure where exactly i have to place the noose to reduce the compression of trachea before i loose consciousness

 

[Skylar6]

Of course no one know how painful hanging is really until dead. This is just my idea.

What i found is that when compressing the carotid arteries (which should be the main goal in hanging), consciousness vanish in 1-10 seconds. Blood flow to the brain should stop and death result in a few minutes. However, there are other arteries burried in your spinal column that carry blood to your brain, which should be incompressible by conventional hanging. By keeping pressure only to the carotid arteries, one should regain consciousness after few minutes, because your brain adapte to use the blood from the veterbra arteries. This is also what i experience: after keeping pressure to the neck, i regain consciousness even when the pressure is still applied. Also in a lot of suicide videos you can see that even if a person gets unconsciousness from hanging (indicated by a loss in muscle tone and switching), after several seconds/minutes, there are seemingly purposeful movement of the arms to remove the knot from the neck, which could indicate that the person regained consciousness and is suffering a lot of pain, trying to rescue himself.

What are your thoughts?

Of course no one know how painful hanging is really until dead. This is just my idea.

What i found is that when compressing the carotid arteries (which should be the main goal in hanging), consciousness vanish in 1-10 seconds. Blood flow to the brain should stop and death result in a few minutes. However, there are other arteries burried in your spinal column that carry blood to your brain, which should be incompressible by conventional hanging. By keeping pressure only to the carotid arteries, one should regain consciousness after few minutes, because your brain adapte to use the blood from the veterbra arteries. This is also what i experience: after keeping pressure to the neck, i regain consciousness even when the pressure is still applied. Also in a lot of suicide videos you can see that even if a person gets unconsciousness from hanging (indicated by a loss in muscle tone and switching), after several seconds/minutes, there are seemingly purposeful movement of the arms to remove the knot from the neck, which could indicate that the person regained consciousness and is suffering a lot of pain, trying to rescue himself.

What are your thoughts?

Having been choked out in martial arts, I can confirm that if the carotids are compressed properly you will almost instantly pass out and not regain consciousness unless the pressure is released. I think what a lot of us are finding near impossible is getting those same results with a noose, on our own. I tried several times today to ctb with this method, but it was utterly hopeless. And yet I've just seen a vid demo on youtube showing it done easily. unfortunately the exact setup on the girls neck was not shown in detail. seemed to have a wide collar round the neck, secured at the back and hung from above.