Have some people here become pro life as the result of trying recovery?

[FractalTears]

If life becomes "good" again, does it make some people become pro life?
I hope this is the right sub to ask this question.

 

[noname223]

Yes I think this happened more than once.

 

[motel rooms]

If life becomes "good" again, does it make some people become pro life?

Anti-choice is a better term than pro-life. I think that the vast majority of SS members in recovery don't become anti-choice.

 

[Zzzzz]

Anti-choice is a better term than pro-life. I think that the vast majority of SS members in recovery don't become anti-choice.

Yes, pro-life is too misleading .

 

[Depressed Cat]

"Pro-life" is a term used by the anti-choice horde to make themselves feel good, and they also deliberately use the term "pro-suicide" to make us look like evil monsters.

The right to life includes the right to lead a life without extreme pain & suffering and the right to have a peaceful & dignified death, both of which the fanatical anti-choice horde are completely opposed to! So they are not "pro-life" by any meaningful definition of the term.

Coming to the question, I don't believe pro-choicers automatically become anti-choice even if they recover from their mental or physical illnesses. Sure, they may not be suicidal any longer, but they're quite unlikely to join the rabid anti-choice brigade. At the most, they may develop a neutral attitude towards CTB.

Yes, I've heard of quite a few who were on the verge of CTB but didn't go through for whatever reason coming out with their past struggles. They become advocates for better mental health care or start organisations to reduce suicides, but their position on CTB can't quite be described as anti-choice (like that of the despicable duo of NYT). I would say such persons feel that there is a chance of recovery for at least some who are contemplating CTB and want to give them that chance.

 

[everydayiloveyou]

Recovery doesn't change core beliefs like this. When my meds started working I didn't suddenly think people shouldn't have the right to die.

There are recovered people who are pro-choice, and there are people who have never dealt with mental illness who are pro-choice.

I think if anything, recovering from a mental illness while being pro-choice can give you a more nuanced or different prespective on the topic.

 

[Mixo]

I am sure there are some people who end up going back to the "other side" i.e. anti-choice. But probably for the vast majority of us who land here, it is through suffering, pain, and hardships that we have become close to the hidden complexities and dilemmas around needing to exit. I highly doubt anyone could suddenly ignore all of that nuance, only to become "blind" again, only to minimize or ignore what can happen to a fragile life in pain. At most, more likely, people who recover may develop a type of neutrality towards suicide than outright opposition. If they do, it's possible (I'm being careful with my words here) that they were not considering suicide as a necessary last and only option.

 

[Foresight]

Being pro-choice is part of my belief system now. People deserve access to real discussion about their right to die and they should have access to reliable and relatively comfortable euthanasia.

 

[aplacetogo]

"Pro-life" is a term used by the anti-choice horde to make themselves feel good, and they also deliberately use the term "pro-suicide" to make us look like evil monsters.

The right to life includes the right to lead a life without extreme pain & suffering and the right to have a peaceful & dignified death, both of which the fanatical anti-choice horde are completely opposed to! So they are not "pro-life" by any meaningful definition of the term.

Coming to the question, I don't believe pro-choicers automatically become anti-choice even if they recover from their mental or physical illnesses. Sure, they may not be suicidal any longer, but they're quite unlikely to join the rabid anti-choice brigade. At the most, they may develop a neutral attitude towards CTB.

Yes, I've heard of quite a few who were on the verge of CTB but didn't go through for whatever reason coming out with their past struggles. They become advocates for better mental health care or start organisations to reduce suicides, but their position on CTB can't quite be described as anti-choice (like that of the despicable duo of NYT). I would say such persons feel that there is a chance of recovery for at least some who are contemplating CTB and want to give them that chance.

"despicable duo of NYT" lol it was actually thanks to that article that I discovered this site. How do people not realize that the #1 way to get someone to resent something, including life, is to make them feel like they have no choice in the matter?

 

[Mr2005]

I'm fairly pro life anyway despite having no chance of recovery

 

[GentleJerk]

I don't like getting too caught up with the terms and names created for people with different mindsets when it comes to suicide.

...But I do think that some people are capable of such narrow-mindedness, that they can personally experience being suicidal and at the time be supportive of others who feel the same way- then suddenly turn around and deny the rights of others if they become lucky enough to recover.

Sometimes it might be a misplaced attempt to 'help' others, from a person with experience overcoming their own suicidal thoughts. They might think "If I can do it, so can you!" But most often it is born out of ignorance and double-standards. Especially when suicide is painted with the blanket-statement of always being the wrong decision.

Not every person who is suicidal has the option of recovery. Suicide is not always an irrational decision. Sometimes suicide is the lesser of two evils, a rational and logical choice, not always- but sometimes. If a person would deny somebody else the right to a peaceful death, and rather force them to suffer greatly with no hope of recovery, that is cruel, callous, and imo fundamentally evil. That's why there needs to be understanding and support for suicidal people available, rather than only the denial of the right to autonomy by force.

 

[Sanva]

it's an empathy problem imo, when people feel good they think everyone could feel that way & don't understand why others would willingly ctb, whereas when you're in a shit place mentally/physically you empathize with people who have similiar struggles & it's easier to understand why they would want out.

 

[PursuitofWonder]

For most people no, that doesn't really happen. Those I know in recovery, no matter how far they are, still say they have dark thoughts, and often still ctb thoughts. They just have become better at dealing with those thoughts. You do run into people who have caught toxic positivity and become unempathetic to people who struggle. The ones I've met like that also always seem to have gotten over invested in some type of ideology. Religion or self help books and the like. They think they have the magic answer to help everyone. Most people in recovery never fall into that trap.

 

[MelancholyMagic]

I'm sure it happens at least sometimes. And then the anti-choicer says "I used to be suicidal, but am not anymore. See? This means everyone can become happy like me, so they should never, ever have a choice in their lives!"
They use their past attempts and supposed improvement as evidence that everyone should be denied the RTD. It's awful.
See: Kevin Hines

 

[Danjor88]

That's a great question.

For me I became suicidal after the breakdown of a long term relationship, then covid hit and I had no income.

I think it was partly not having any money and also not being able to see a future that made life so unbearable.

Fortunately I now have had some income, which has removed that stress, so life does not seem to have no future right now - of course that could change very quickly.

But what it's made me think about is that if I hadn't had the financial worries, hadn't been looking at homelessness, and hadn't thought there was no future, then I wouldn't have felt suicidal at all.

I wonder how many other people feel suicidal because of the futility of the future, or lack of it, and if that could be solved then maybe they wouldn't be suicidal - but it depends why you feel how you feel, not everything is fixable I think.

In an ideal utopian world everyone would be happy with no worries or stress, but sadly we seem as a society (and especially through governance) to be heading in exactly the opposite direction.

Take care everyone.

 

[raindrops]

"Pro-life" is a term used by the anti-choice horde to make themselves feel good, and they also deliberately use the term "pro-suicide" to make us look like evil monsters.

The right to life includes the right to lead a life without extreme pain & suffering and the right to have a peaceful & dignified death, both of which the fanatical anti-choice horde are completely opposed to! So they are not "pro-life" by any meaningful definition of the term.

Coming to the question, I don't believe pro-choicers automatically become anti-choice even if they recover from their mental or physical illnesses. Sure, they may not be suicidal any longer, but they're quite unlikely to join the rabid anti-choice brigade. At the most, they may develop a neutral attitude towards CTB.

Yes, I've heard of quite a few who were on the verge of CTB but didn't go through for whatever reason coming out with their past struggles. They become advocates for better mental health care or start organisations to reduce suicides, but their position on CTB can't quite be described as anti-choice (like that of the despicable duo of NYT). I would say such persons feel that there is a chance of recovery for at least some who are contemplating CTB and want to give them that chance.

Imagine, just imagine someone trying to be an evil monster towards the suicidal. It disgusts me. You're so right "pro-suicide" is what they say to make us seem delusional.
How horrible, its almost like saying a rape victim is "pro-rape" because they probably brought it on themselves.
you just wouldn't say that.


also let's not forget the fact that not all people are suicidal, but some people do have no life and so then they will try dominate or get involved with others, especially if they've lost a loved once to suicide they feel the need to be hero's.

 

[willitpass]

even when i have been in recovery i've still been pro choice i just do not spend as much of my energy thinking about it. it pains me to think of someone ctb but at the end of the day it is their right. when i am in recovery i am more likely to encourage treatment but i never believe that right should be revoked

 

[Dot]

Ant-chce r oftn ppl wh/ r bittr or angry or fearfl of idea of c.t.b

E.g grievng prnts or ppl wh own slf-wrth = basd on b-ing loyl 2 dctrne lke Catholsm or ppl wh/ fl rejctd frm sasu

Ppl w/o vestd intrst smwhre wld jst C it as tragc or unfrtun8 bt wld acknwldge tht ppl wll mke thr own choics

 

[Lost Magic]

Pro-choice all the way. Anti-choice is oppression. If I ever did recover (not likely) I would still feel the same way. There was one twat who was interviewed about sites like this that irked me. He took full advantage of the community but when he recovered he was calling for the site to be taken down. So now he is doing therapy sessions while walking his tiny dog. Now he thinks that everybody should be able to be like him because he feels better now. Sorry, but what a wanker. I mean, it is good that he found purpose in life, but don't force your purpose onto everybody else. If I want to live or die, it is my choice. Don't try to deprive me or anybody else from communication with like minded souls because you have found a tiny dog to walk in the park, lol. Anyway, I wonder what breed of dog that was .

 

[whatevs]

If life becomes "good" again, does it make some people become pro life?
I hope this is the right sub to ask this question.

Of course, this is obvious.

 

[BurnBurnBurn]

I suppose you could term me as "in recovery" as I'm receiving treatment in the form of medication and therapy (MBT specifically). Even though I am in a somewhat okay place right now I'm still pro choice and always will be. That is something that hasn't changed