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Forever Sleep

Earned it we have...
May 4, 2022
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I was always a bit of a Tom boy. I rejected a lot of feminine expectations from a young age simply because they didn't appeal. I didn't like pink or pretty cloths. I found dresses and all that paraphernalia far too restrictive. I think my family wanted me to dress better but, they didn't overly push me. (Thankfully.)

I want to make a point of saying at this stage, that I'm not trying to criticize people who do genuinely enjoy all that stuff. This is simply my experience.

I suppose as I grew, that coupled with probably feminist feelings continued the sentiment. I personally found it unpleasant and uncomfortable to wear make up, high heels, tight fitting clothes. It was something I rejected for a long time.

On the one hand, I found it made women physically handicaped. A lot of feminine gear really isn't as practical. Fine if you don't need to be doing practical things but, an added restriction if you are. (Again, my experience, not everyone's I realise.) I also saw it as complying to an expectation to please men. (Not that they don't have those expectations placed on them too.) Even if that's 'natural' although actually, in the animal kingdom, it's often the male that needs to be more striking/ attractive. Anyway though, it's just not something that appealed.

Then, I had the most insane limerent crush on a guy and, everything changed. He was obsessed with thin women. He used to go on about 'zero percent body fat'. (I don't think that's even possible!) So, I lost over 5 stone. Perhaps I should have been grateful- I suppose it made me healthier, (although, it may ultimately have lead to gallstones.) I could certainly do with shifting a few stone again now! (I put it all back on.)

But, I also tried to dress better, in a more feminine way. I wore make up. The final straw was him admiring this woman's nail polish colour. I swore to myself I would never paint my nails. My job is practical for a start, it's near impossible growing out nails. But, I even relented and did that.

I tried to emulate an image I had no time for, (again- not criticizing those who do) all to impress him. It didn't work ultimately and I eventually regressed back to my 'normal' self. I suppose I felt weak and hypocritical for doing it all though. I suppose I don't really agree with conforming to (what I found an) uncomfortable and repressive image. I perhaps don't entirely regret it. I learned from the experience.

A friend's husband happened to make a comment once I was back to my regular, overweight and scruffy self, that I had looked really good. Not in some dodgy, infidelity way. More in a- I think you should return to that. That just further cemented it though. That even fairly nice, considerate guys judge and value your appearance first. I replied that I may have looked nicer but my mind was so screwed up back then. My Dad will do the same. Most discussions about female friends will include an appraisal of how attractive or unattractive they are. Again, not in a bastard, cheating way. More that it is a primary, if not the primary factor for judging.

This likely will have come across as a sexist rant but, that's because I've (obviously) only experienced it from a female perspective. I'm sure that men also find themselves jumping through hoops to impress women. Plus, any type of gender or sexuality. I expect we all feel the pressure to comply to beauty standards.

What are your experiences? If you're happy to share. Have you consciously made changes to attract someone? Did it work? Did you enjoy the process? Did you prefer who you became, if you made it that far? Or, did you start to resent the expectations and changes you made? I guess the ideal is that we are able to be entirely ourselves and still be attractive to someone. I suppose it must happen sometimes!
 
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BloodyBunno

New Member
Jan 9, 2025
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I've not really made too many bodily changes, but I always adapted my behavior. Trying to be more quiet, keeping down my voice, decreasing or increasing the amount of compliments I give and how heartfelt they were. It still happens and as a result i feel like I don't know who I am any more.
 
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Pluto

Cat Extremist
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DivineSpark

Elementalist
Feb 9, 2025
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I dont want to change myself for sake of others. I want to be myself and enjoy it.
 
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Alreadylate

Member
Jun 8, 2025
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I was always a bit of a Tom boy. I rejected a lot of feminine expectations from a young age simply because they didn't appeal. I didn't like pink or pretty cloths. I found dresses and all that paraphernalia far too restrictive. I think my family wanted me to dress better but, they didn't overly push me. (Thankfully.)

I want to make a point of saying at this stage, that I'm not trying to criticize people who do genuinely enjoy all that stuff. This is simply my experience.

I suppose as I grew, that coupled with probably feminist feelings continued the sentiment. I personally found it unpleasant and uncomfortable to wear make up, high heels, tight fitting clothes. It was something I rejected for a long time.

On the one hand, I found it made women physically handicaped. A lot of feminine gear really isn't as practical. Fine if you don't need to be doing practical things but, an added restriction if you are. (Again, my experience, not everyone's I realise.) I also saw it as complying to an expectation to please men. (Not that they don't have those expectations placed on them too.) Even if that's 'natural' although actually, in the animal kingdom, it's often the male that needs to be more striking/ attractive. Anyway though, it's just not something that appealed.

Then, I had the most insane limerent crush on a guy and, everything changed. He was obsessed with thin women. He used to go on about 'zero percent body fat'. (I don't think that's even possible!) So, I lost over 5 stone. Perhaps I should have been grateful- I suppose it made me healthier, (although, it may ultimately have lead to gallstones.) I could certainly do with shifting a few stone again now! (I put it all back on.)

But, I also tried to dress better, in a more feminine way. I wore make up. The final straw was him admiring this woman's nail polish colour. I swore to myself I would never paint my nails. My job is practical for a start, it's near impossible growing out nails. But, I even relented and did that.

I tried to emulate an image I had no time for, (again- not criticizing those who do) all to impress him. It didn't work ultimately and I eventually regressed back to my 'normal' self. I suppose I felt weak and hypocritical for doing it all though. I suppose I don't really agree with conforming to (what I found an) uncomfortable and repressive image. I perhaps don't entirely regret it. I learned from the experience.

A friend's husband happened to make a comment once I was back to my regular, overweight and scruffy self, that I had looked really good. Not in some dodgy, infidelity way. More in a- I think you should return to that. That just further cemented it though. That even fairly nice, considerate guys judge and value your appearance first. I replied that I may have looked nicer but my mind was so screwed up back then. My Dad will do the same. Most discussions about female friends will include an appraisal of how attractive or unattractive they are. Again, not in a bastard, cheating way. More that it is a primary, if not the primary factor for judging.

This likely will have come across as a sexist rant but, that's because I've (obviously) only experienced it from a female perspective. I'm sure that men also find themselves jumping through hoops to impress women. Plus, any type of gender or sexuality. I expect we all feel the pressure to comply to beauty standards.

What are your experiences? If you're happy to share. Have you consciously made changes to attract someone? Did it work? Did you enjoy the process? Did you prefer who you became, if you made it that far? Or, did you start to resent the expectations and changes you made? I guess the ideal is that we are able to be entirely ourselves and still be attractive to someone. I suppose it must happen sometimes!
I used to be a bit feminine around 10 years back, I used to dress very well and had lots of clothes and shoes... Then I decided to become masculine to fit in. I didn't fit in but started to attract straight guys, there's like some kind of hidden truth bt straight men that I discovered when I ''changed'' my personality. I became traumatized after finding about this, and I hate going outside since then... I think the main reason why I wanna ctb is because I'm homosexual and don't feel attraction for gay men, and there are tons of bisexual men but they just want sex. Everytime I go out I have a bad time when men look at me, I usually see someone that I like a lot and I see this person is also attracted to me but but he is probably straight or bisexual, and then I spend the rest of the day traumatized... I din't have relationships for the last ten years, and also have problems to make friends since I'm not the typical guy. But this thing is very hard for me and the main reason why I wanna die. It doesn't matter how hard I try to think about a solution it is all in vain... If anyone has the same problem it could be great talking about it.
 
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Apathy79

Apathy79

Elementalist
Oct 13, 2019
833
In first year college, I struggled with women for a few months and put it down to my looks and attitude. So became determined to get more tanned and stronger, and lose some fat. It was actually kind of a useful motivator on the physical side. But I also made personality changes, which made me not myself around attractive women. And they worked disturbingly well (all that PUA stuff before it became mainstream). That meant I could attract girls, just not the stable ones I really wanted. It also briefly made me lose respect for women because of the behaviours that attracted them (an error on my part) so I eventually abandoned that mask, and lost the girls it attracted, but soon found the woman who would later become my fiance.

My general feeling is if the changes you feel like you have to make feel like becoming a better version of yourself in order to attract or keep someone, then they're all good, in fact they're a great motivator. If you have to make changes you feel are lessening you to attract or keep them, they're probably not worth making, and if not making them does lead to losing the person, they probably weren't the one for you.
 
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darksouls

Wizard
May 10, 2025
667
I think you should accept a person as they are
a good heart is more important than an attractive appereance
 
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misanthropemurder

misanthropemurder

꩜ eternally sad ꩜
Jun 14, 2025
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yes I have, and it's never worth it. they will only ever like that fake version of you, you won't really know if they actually like you for who you are. and you can't keep up the facade forever. just be who you are, if people don't like you for that then they aren't worth being friends with anyways.

the most attractive trait is being confident in your sense of self :)
 
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psp3000

Enlightened
May 20, 2023
1,515
yes I have and they still treated me the same (badly) so I don't suggest it
 
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25dRvS9Ka

Mel
Jun 11, 2025
86
I am constantly feminizing myself, trying to be delicate and feminine. My personality is extremely sapphic, I am attracted to cute, romantic environments and delicate, lovable people. To manifest this on my external side, I'm doing hormone therapy, now as a woman I identify as lesbian.

I lost a lot of weight doing exercises that enhance my curves, I take skin care and self-care, to feel valued, it is a type of romance but alone without waiting for someone, but seeking to feel loved.
 
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Grog

Grog

Be good to yourself.
Jun 3, 2025
164
I've never changed my personality just to fit in somewhere. If people liked the false front I'd be putting up, they wouldn't really be liking the real me, would they? I want to be loved for who I really am, and I think who I really am is pretty cool. :ahhha:

However, I have tried to lose weight lately to appeal to potential romantic interests. I think it's a good thing -- it'll make me physically healthier and I'll probably feel physically better too. 🙂
 
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just a bird

Member
Jun 7, 2025
34
A bit different maybe, but one of the traits of my mental illness is an unstable sense of self. So I don't really know who "I" am, my interests change pretty frequently in the hopes of other people liking me more. I had a K-pop phase (I do not like K-pop, but my crush did), tried a handful of sports that, again, I didn't enjoy but my partner did. Took up crochet because people around me were doing so. Half the time I think my "depression" only exists because people I was close to had it and I wanted to be like them. So yes, and now I am mostly just a gross amalgamation of other people's discarded interests and traits.
 
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FoxSauce

Emotional unstable like and IKEA table
Aug 23, 2024
573
Moslty yes being the quiet kid. I mean notbthat I mind but I felt like I couldnt be myself cuz i am too weird and I figured since other people say Im weird well than is gonna bother other people too.

It was extremely exhausting, making myself more isolated. I was too afraid to show people my true self but still. I agreed with everything even if it went agaisnt my values. Didnt expressed what I like and disliked out of fear of ridicule.

Im to tored to write more so I'll leave it at that. 😅
 
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alwaysalone

Student
May 14, 2025
196
Not really. I've never been girly. I don't do pink frills make up etc... i do have long hair. I've been mistaken for a lesbian more times than I can count. LOL by men and lesbians. I never dated a lot or had lots of guys chasing me. I was ok with that. (I'm pretty picky) I didn't really want to get married and all. but things happen
 
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Message In A Bottle

Message In A Bottle

I don’t need light. Please give me water
Apr 1, 2022
382
Exhausted…because being someone you're not requires a considerable amount of effort to maintain the facade. For me, it was being the clown, or being overly nice.

I can attest to the tight clothes as well, because to this day whenever I try to wear more "form fitting" clothes I'll be squirmy and paranoid for the rest of the day. The thought of my feminine features being out on full display for the whole world to see makes me uncomfortable. Along with the fact that female clothing is not designed for comfort in general.
 
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wham311

Warlock
Mar 1, 2025
721
Got on steroids

Became very good looking guy

Joined hobbies

Much respect and things to do

Ruined all relationships

Lost job

Had to move

No more steroids

Hideous now, much worse off than if id never used anything

That's what I get for trying lol
 
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Dejected 55

Specialist
May 7, 2025
390
Not intentionally or specifically. I normally have a slow metabolism... so I gain weight. But when I have been in love or had a crush, my metabolism spikes and I lose weight. I naturally become a better version of myself for someone I like. It just happens. Now, sometimes I'll augment that and take advantage of it and lose weight more for myself while the metabolism is high.

I otherwise continue to be myself, and hope the other person likes me as I am. They never do... but if I made changes to myself to please someone and got rejected, that would hurt me more... and if I made changes and they accepted me, I would feel like they didn't really like me only the mask I was wearing to please them and that would hurt too.
 
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ashendreams

rotting angel
May 31, 2025
66
im pretty tomboyish but whenever i talk to someone new i go completely girly. i do it without realizing and i cant even stop myself if i try. really really hate it. and then it's like, now theyve got that impression of me and if i start looking/acting like "myself" then theyre gonna lose interest because it's a completely different person. no wonder all my friendships are so unsatisfying.
 
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Dejected 55

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May 7, 2025
390
Random and only barely fits this thread... but the talk of toyboys reminds me...

When I was a kid.. and at this time I was maybe 10 years old, give or take, I met a girl in the neighborhood and we became friends and played together a lot. When I first met her, though, I did not know she was a girl. I was maybe a year older than her, so she would have been about 9... and she had short hair and the kind of playing we were doing like riding bikes and playing tag and hide and seek and so forth, was no different than I played with other boys.

It wasn't until a gossipy neighbor was talking to my mother one day and telling her not to let me play with "that girl" because she was a bad influence. My mother didn't listen to the woman, but that's how I found out my friend was a girl. It didn't change anything about our friendship or how we played, but it was a surprise. I can't remember if she and I ever talked about that.

Anyway, a few years later a new neighbor moved in and they had kids that my friend was friends with. For some reason these neighbor kids did not like me, they would call me names and stuff so I tried to just keep my distance as best you can do from a neighbor. One day, though, I had a talk with my friend. I told her that I would never try and tell her who to be friends with, but she should know that those boys didn't like me and if she was friends with them I would respect that just as long as I could trust her not to be talking about me behind my back. She seemed to understand and agree.

But one day they were all nearby playing and those boys were talking about me and she was doing nothing but laughing with them. That hurt me. I saw her later and told her that was exactly what I was talking about. If she would support them in front of me, I could no longer trust her not to be talking about me behind my back with them. I didn't ask her to choose. I told her we couldn't be friends.

We didn't see each other for a while after that. I don't remember how long. One random day a couple of years later probably, she came to my home and knocked. I went outside and talked. We didn't talk about that incident or the long absence from each other. I think we maybe saw each other a time or two after that, but it was never the same.

Really doesn't have a lot to do with this thread, except talk of tomboys always reminds me of that friendship I had with her that was tainted and then we lost touch.
 
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Forever Sleep

Earned it we have...
May 4, 2022
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Random and only barely fits this thread... but the talk of toyboys reminds me...

When I was a kid.. and at this time I was maybe 10 years old, give or take, I met a girl in the neighborhood and we became friends and played together a lot. When I first met her, though, I did not know she was a girl. I was maybe a year older than her, so she would have been about 9... and she had short hair and the kind of playing we were doing like riding bikes and playing tag and hide and seek and so forth, was no different than I played with other boys.

It wasn't until a gossipy neighbor was talking to my mother one day and telling her not to let me play with "that girl" because she was a bad influence. My mother didn't listen to the woman, but that's how I found out my friend was a girl. It didn't change anything about our friendship or how we played, but it was a surprise. I can't remember if she and I ever talked about that.

Anyway, a few years later a new neighbor moved in and they had kids that my friend was friends with. For some reason these neighbor kids did not like me, they would call me names and stuff so I tried to just keep my distance as best you can do from a neighbor. One day, though, I had a talk with my friend. I told her that I would never try and tell her who to be friends with, but she should know that those boys didn't like me and if she was friends with them I would respect that just as long as I could trust her not to be talking about me behind my back. She seemed to understand and agree.

But one day they were all nearby playing and those boys were talking about me and she was doing nothing but laughing with them. That hurt me. I saw her later and told her that was exactly what I was talking about. If she would support them in front of me, I could no longer trust her not to be talking about me behind my back with them. I didn't ask her to choose. I told her we couldn't be friends.

We didn't see each other for a while after that. I don't remember how long. One random day a couple of years later probably, she came to my home and knocked. I went outside and talked. We didn't talk about that incident or the long absence from each other. I think we maybe saw each other a time or two after that, but it was never the same.

Really doesn't have a lot to do with this thread, except talk of tomboys always reminds me of that friendship I had with her that was tainted and then we lost touch.

I'm sorry you had that experience. Children can be cruel. To be honest, I even remember hanging round with a group of 'friends'. One in particular would take the piss out of other people and we would all (stupidly) go along with it. I suspect it was a combination of wanting to belong in the group but also, fear of the more dominant person that, if we didn't join in, they would turn on us. That's not to excuse it. It isn't something we should engage in. I obviously really regret it now. I eventually worked out this person was a bit of a bitch and made other, kinder friends. Ironically, some of them were the very people 'we' initially picked on. So, I guess they forgave me.

It is charming though- when we're very young, we don't always have the prejudices we develop as we grow. We may not even be aware of differences or stereotypes. My Dad can say quite homophobic stuff at times. I happened to mention a programe I loved when I was young and he remarked how camp the presenter was. The presenter was actually straight as it happens but, he came across as flamboyant and camp. The funny thing was- it never even registered at the time. I probably didn't even know what gay was at that time. Not that it should make any difference of course but, I wouldn't have even noticed at that stage. It's weird how we learn to label and box people. Worse- that we can pick up bad habits of judging them.
 
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catlover20

Lost Soul
Jun 16, 2025
13
I admit that I have tried changing my personality to fit in with certain friend groups and to pretend to be someone I'm not. However, it didn't work, and I never felt like I could truly connect with them. Eventually, I stopped talking to them altogether.

When it comes to how I look, I haven't really tried to change anything, even though I probably should. It's not that I don't care—I just don't have the motivation or much confidence to start doing something about it. I'm not a fan of my body and usually feel pretty low when I see myself in the mirror.
 
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usernamesarehard

Life sucks and then you die
Dec 22, 2021
156
I guess I change myself to a certain extent to make friends. But I think most people do that. They hide parts of themselves and only let certain people see what they want them to see.

Physically. No. I was considering it. My ex said I'd probably get more guys interested in me if I styled my hair and changed the clothes I wear. I've been a tomboy since I was a kid. I might work on the hair, but I'm not going to change the clothes I wear. Reading these replies has made me reconsider what he said. Yeah I'd get more guys interested, but I'd have to put that effort in all the time. I don't want to do that. I don't mind dressing up more girly every now and then and for special occasions. But I don't want to waste time maintaining a lie to keep a partner.
 
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