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Forever Sleep

Earned it we have...
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During primary school, I tried to sing extra out of tune in the hopes of not being subscripted (effectively) into the quoir. I can't sing anyway. I couldn't believe it when my tutor said I'd passed. I'm still not sure whether she was trying to spite me or simply make up the numbers. Other people obviously felt the same because it went very quiet on the high notes!

How about you? Is there anything you deliberately tried to do badly at in the hopes you wouldn't have to do it? Of course, there were plenty of other things I tried to do well in but failed!
 
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I gave up when I did my GCSES, I had 0 motivation, and I thought it wouldn't matter as I'd be dead soon. (obviously didn't happen as i'm now 18 and still breathing) :))
 
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Dr Iron Arc

Into the Unknown
Feb 10, 2020
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I think I've done this so much that it's hard to pin down a specific moment. Maybe when I remember I'll come back to this thread but right now all I can think about is how this is pretty much always how I tend to operate because I hate myself so much I would rather sabotage my own goals just out of sheer spite and because he's done the same to me in the past.
 
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ijustwishtodie

death will be my ultimate bliss
Oct 29, 2023
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No, not really. I barely try in the first place but, when I do try, it's done out of obligation to get something done rather than wanting to fail something intentionally. I don't know why I'd want to intentionally fail something
 
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ok this makes me laugh, not at you at all but because when i was a kid i read the diary of a wimpy kid series. i think what unintentionally got in my head was this...

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id have to say most of my life past the age of 7 has been about self sabotage in various forms and ways, from getting out of extracurriculars, to not doing schoolwork even though i could. very simply i guess i wanted to do what i wanted to do, escaping expectations which caused conflict at home or made school boring (in the normal classes theyd actually talk about the topic since people asked questions, and asked "why are we learning this?", in the gifted class teachers would boast about making you do more work and nobody seemed to question the topics), or i wanted help and attention seeing other people get attention for being difficult (its really in my head that im either not good or bad enough and no it didnt work haha), or i wanted to relate to people more (i pretended i didnt know what the word "geology" was in year 6 yearbook, people treated me better for dumbing myself down or pretending not to know things). but as i got older i didnt have to try to fail, and now im pretty impaired or underdevloped in a few things. my mother is asian, she used to be super hard on me and would influence my dad too so getting a B would make people disappointed in me and we'd have conflict over math problems they couldnt solve or even try to. now they don't care which is good and i don't do school and now my future schoolwork isnt their business anymore.

in australia people talk about "tall poppy syndrome", so opposed to other countries, people think you're a snob, arrogant, showoff etc. for being ambitious or having some kind of strength that isnt bottling up your emotions then drinking it up with an alcoholic tolerance or being socially charming. i even dont bother dressing nice cause theres no point here lol (and its too hot). people put ned kelly on their lawns and in their homes. if you research ned kelly you'll have a bit more of an idea of what i'm talking about. and i'm not kidding there's ned kelly in my familys home and in peoples lawns on the way to work. some fuckwit tried to brag to me about drinking more expensive alcohol than me and getting into fights drunk and i think ive seen WAY more people be proud of their drinking than anything else which is funny but sad.

Historian Geoffrey Serle called Kelly and his gang "the last expression of the lawless frontier in what was becoming a highly organised and educated society, the last protest of the mighty bush now tethered with iron rails to Melbourne and the world" (wikipedia) i think it largely has to do with the history of australia, we are a country coming from convicts and also the indigenous people were subject to massacres and mistreatment from settlers. so despite the nature of our policies, i think people have an unconscious attitude towards what success means, but its pretty subjective and i cant speak for everyone.

sorry if this got off topic i just find self sabotage and societal reaction to failure and success interesting, i got into a bit of a rabbithole asking "why?". but i dont think ned kelly is totally the why for me personally but also it can be seen as a threat or act of arrogance to others to succeed in my surrounding society IME, i know many people who have businesses who try their best not to act like it at all even though starting a business can be a tremendously hard job. but otherwise ive just impaired myself by a lack of good choices, problem solving, emotional resiliance, and foresight haha.

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Twice I've pretended to be an idiot in IQ tests, one to bring the average of my school down, and the other one to get helps for disability.

Unfortunately for me, both times they saw through my bullshit lol.
 
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Forever Sleep

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ok this makes me laugh, not at you at all but because when i was a kid i read the diary of a wimpy kid series. i think what unintentionally got in my head was this...

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id have to say most of my life past the age of 7 has been about self sabotage in various forms and ways, from getting out of extracurriculars, to not doing schoolwork even though i could. very simply i guess i wanted to do what i wanted to do, escaping expectations which caused conflict at home or made school boring (in the normal classes theyd actually talk about the topic since people asked questions, and asked "why are we learning this?", in the gifted class teachers would boast about making you do more work and nobody seemed to question the topics), or i wanted help and attention seeing other people get attention for being difficult (its really in my head that im either not good or bad enough and no it didnt work haha), or i wanted to relate to people more (i pretended i didnt know what the word "geology" was in year 6 yearbook, people treated me better for dumbing myself down or pretending not to know things). but as i got older i didnt have to try to fail, and now im pretty impaired or underdevloped in a few things. my mother is asian, she used to be super hard on me and would influence my dad too so getting a B would make people disappointed in me and we'd have conflict over math problems they couldnt solve or even try to. now they don't care which is good and i don't do school and now my future schoolwork isnt their business anymore.

in australia people talk about "tall poppy syndrome", so opposed to other countries, people think you're a snob, arrogant, showoff etc. for being ambitious or having some kind of strength that isnt bottling up your emotions then drinking it up with an alcoholic tolerance or being socially charming. i even dont bother dressing nice cause theres no point here lol (and its too hot). people put ned kelly on their lawns and in their homes. if you research ned kelly you'll have a bit more of an idea of what i'm talking about. and i'm not kidding there's ned kelly in my familys home and in peoples lawns on the way to work. some fuckwit tried to brag to me about drinking more expensive alcohol than me and getting into fights drunk and i think ive seen WAY more people be proud of their drinking than anything else which is funny but sad.

Historian Geoffrey Serle called Kelly and his gang "the last expression of the lawless frontier in what was becoming a highly organised and educated society, the last protest of the mighty bush now tethered with iron rails to Melbourne and the world" (wikipedia) i think it largely has to do with the history of australia, we are a country coming from convicts and also the indigenous people were subject to massacres and mistreatment from settlers. so despite the nature of our policies, i think people have an unconscious attitude towards what success means, but its pretty subjective and i cant speak for everyone.

sorry if this got off topic i just find self sabotage and societal reaction to failure and success interesting, i got into a bit of a rabbithole asking "why?". but i dont think ned kelly is totally the why for me personally but also it can be seen as a threat or act of arrogance to others to succeed in my surrounding society IME, i know many people who have businesses who try their best not to act like it at all even though starting a business can be a tremendously hard job. but otherwise ive just impaired myself by a lack of good choices, problem solving, emotional resiliance, and foresight haha.

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Interesting. I think your motivation for 'underplaying' your hand as it were was more intelligently thought through than mine! I think mine was motivated by fear. I mostly tried to get out of activities that would make an exhibition of myself. I was massively shy and hated all that.

No need to apologise for going off topic. That's how thought works. Plus, I agree- it's fascinating to see how- as a society we do sometimes celebrate rebels. When I was young, people would also see drinking excessively underage as this cool, (and ironically) mature thing to do.

It's very interesting actually. I suppose I feel like ultimately, we are still under the thumb. I doubt we attain any real freedom by identifying with rebels so- why do those in power let us do it? Maybe it's like that line in 'The Hunger Games' that- a little hope is good- so long as it can be contained. Maybe you don't want a population to feel so down trodden and without power that it just gives up. Maybe the illusion of having power or, being able to get it is enough.

Plus, I agree- self sabotage is also very interesting- although, kind of sad too. I may be wrong over this but I feel like a lot of self sabotage comes from stuff internalised from childhood and life. Someone with a decent amount of confidence, respect for themselves and even a reasonable amount of entitlement wouldn't go about trying to destroy their chances. I imagine it must be because some or all of those things have been damaged along the way that the person seems to just perpetuate the pattern. That's my feeling anyway. I don't know if there is any support for it in the study of psychology.
 
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Interesting. I think your motivation for 'underplaying' your hand as it were was more intelligently thought through than mine! I think mine was motivated by fear. I mostly tried to get out of activities that would make an exhibition of myself. I was massively shy and hated all that.

No need to apologise for going off topic. That's how thought works. Plus, I agree- it's fascinating to see how- as a society we do sometimes celebrate rebels. When I was young, people would also see drinking excessively underage as this cool, (and ironically) mature thing to do.

It's very interesting actually. I suppose I feel like ultimately, we are still under the thumb. I doubt we attain any real freedom by identifying with rebels so- why do those in power let us do it? Maybe it's like that line in 'The Hunger Games' that- a little hope is good- so long as it can be contained. Maybe you don't want a population to feel so down trodden and without power that it just gives up. Maybe the illusion of having power or, being able to get it is enough.

Plus, I agree- self sabotage is also very interesting- although, kind of sad too. I may be wrong over this but I feel like a lot of self sabotage comes from stuff internalised from childhood and life. Someone with a decent amount of confidence, respect for themselves and even a reasonable amount of entitlement wouldn't go about trying to destroy their chances. I imagine it must be because some or all of those things have been damaged along the way that the person seems to just perpetuate the pattern. That's my feeling anyway. I don't know if there is any support for it in the study of psychology.
the hunger games and other dystopian themes of the 2010s do seem pretty relevant now bwahahah. and yeah performance is a valid fear, especially when its something thats not your cup of tea (its nice when its done and over with, i can say i dont remember most peoples presentations in school unless it was egregious which was always on purpose ie purposely provoking people). i havent had to do presentations in work but people are mostly understanding of anxiety in my encounters and let me continue. did everybody have to go choir if they could sing in your school? i have a similar story but for dancing, our school wanted all of us to perform in some big dance thing. the great thing is i don't even remember how anyone i watched went and parents would just be looking out for their kid.

here drinking is big with older people too, for younger people the drug use is a bit more varied https://amp.theguardian.com/austral...stewater-monitoring-ketamine-cannabis-cocaine but yeah in many generations (beat generation and heroin chic comes to mind) self destruction takes it place. more relevant today would be the depiction of teenagers in the game "class of 09", and ame in needy streamer overload. i wonder how people before the 20th century experienced things, as teenagehood wasn't particularly recognised.



on self sabotage, i think its fair to make that assumption, ive heard people say they have imposter syndrome, struggle with habits/addictions, have their only source of belonging/community based around those behaviours, have the belief that they don't deserve good things, felt they needed to get "worse" to be taken seriously, that their mind twists a situation leading to taking an action they would not otherwise, or having defence/coping mechanisms that end up being destructive. bojack horseman is a cartoon that really puts the spotlight and dissects self sabotage and every character has a unique but grounded story, and as the show unfolds you really see how they have been influenced from their family and environment and how they respond to that in adulthood.

this is just from a quick search and skim, but there are defintiely articles and writings about it:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19480359/ "This study was designed to explore the relationship between five forms of childhood trauma and medically self-sabotaging behaviors (i.e., the intentional induction, exaggeration, and/or exacerbation of medical symptoms)."

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1957928/ "Childhood trauma contributes to the initiation of self-destructive behavior, but lack of secure attachments helps maintain it"

https://cptsdfoundation.org/2023/08/08/reassessing-self-sabotage/ not a study, but basically this guy writes about reframing the concept of "self sabotage" as "maladaptive behaviours", as a different perspective.

i definitely agree with the aesthetic or little smidges of rebellion being allowed and actually used by the media as well. ads will often depict young cool hip "unique" people based off what they observe but its not a real person, its carefully styled to evoke relatability or emotions. like katniss' fire suit! though more boringly, its google maps or something soulless trying to assert itself as content made by individuals. throughout the decades you will see countercountures encounter the taking over of their culture by popular depictions or twisting of their values and beliefs, and i feel this happens with most movements where corporations will latch on or it will become a hot topic left vs right debate on opinion "news" tv.
 
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