@Dot, I'm going to reply to the translated version of your post
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@SilentSadness in my opinion was right in saying that context is important - It's the terms pro-life and pro-death that could mean something different outside of the SaSu community.
As @Darkover also said - "pro-life" for many people, is about seeing life as beautiful and valuable etc. But somewhere like SaSu "pro-lifers" are often identified on site because they will say "do not ctb" etc without knowing anything about a person situation and there is not much nuance in their approaches and arguments. Hence why I said that their opinions neglect quality of life as long as people are living. It's as tho suffering is not something that they understand or cannot comprehend that it's too much for some people to endure
The UK is going vote shortly on an assisted dying bill and there are examples of people changing their opinions to pro-chocie because they witnessed someone have a horrible death and are not naive anymore to how sometimes dying is the compassionate choice.
I agree with SilentSadness about the pro-death being used in a derogatory way. SaSu critics consider all SaSu members to be "pro-death" or "pro-suicide" because members consider ctb to be a valid choice for some people. However there have been many people come through the site saying that human life is inherently bad and that they would press a button to obliterate all humans if they could, or that death is more desirable than living in general.
Again tho, people can be pro-choice and still consider life to be a beautiful thing but also something which just has limits for some people.
I think that thinking that "people who want death should be dead" could be leaning towards the pro-death side very slightly because 'pro-choice' is more about whether people who want to be dead should have access to resources to make their choice 'safely'. So again, it's more about autonomy rather than living or dying per se. Again though, my opinion is based on that choice being rational and whether all other options are considered exhausted etc.
There will be people on site who are pro-moralists who believe that the world would be better if humans were dead, but they do not encourage people etc. They have an opinion but still respect personal autonomy.
People who have death-fetishes etc howerver are quickly banned because that is more about personal gratification, at the expense of suicidal people and is often predatory - rather than understanding suffering and personal choice.
That's true, the terms pro life and pro death do get used differently outside of SS. I've seen people call anti abortionists pro life due to how they want as many people to be born as possible but I've also seen rebuttals saying that these people should actually be called pro birth as pro life means to care about the quality of life that people have. Of course this definition of pro life doesn't get used on SS as people tend to use it to refer to keeping people alive for as long as possible regardless of their decisions.
I never heard about the UK assisted dying bill thing. I hope some good comes out of it and that some people in the UK who really want to die can die peacefully if that's what they want.
It isn't just people outside of SS who have used the term pro death. I've even seen people on SS use the same term and I don't know if they use it in the same way as people outside of SS do. Some members on here get accused of being pro death by other SS members.
Oh yeah, I agree. When I say that I wish those who want to be dead get to be dead asap, I'm not referring to the idea that somebody should be dead the
moment they wish to be dead. Of course they need some time to reconsider and reevaluate their options to see whether they want an earlier death or whether they can recover and still benefit from life. I was more so referring to those who wish to be dead that have shown that they can't recover and that they are sure in their decision to be dead. Unfortunately not everybody who wants to be dead and have exhausted all options can access a way out of here so I passively wish that they get what they want naturally though of course I wouldn't say that to anybody directly.
I'm one of those pro mortalists tbh. My belief is just philosophical though and, in practice, what we should do is try and achieve a pro choice society where those who want to die can do so peacefully and those who want to live continue on living for however long they want to.
Pro life means that someone values and respects life. They generally see life as a good thing and believe that death should be a last resort. They believe that people should work towards improving their quality of life instead of ending it prematurely.
So, by this definition, wouldn't this site be pro life? This is just the belief that the average SS member holds
Pro death means that someone doesn't value or respect life. They believe that death is the only solution to everything. They would rather have everyone dead than help people to improve their quality of life.
How interesting that the definition of pro life and pro death that you presented aren't symmetrical. You mention at how pro death is where somebody believes that "death is the only solution to everything" but there's no parallel to that in your pro life definition as there you acknowledge that death is an option (albeit a last resort option).
On here people use the terms differently. The term pro life has lost any real meaning. Some people use this term to describe anyone who thinks life is a good thing or suggests that someone should consider other options before deciding to end their life. It's thrown around as an insult as if valuing or respecting life in general is a bad thing and should be something to be ashamed of.
True, people use that term differently on here. Do you think people also use the term pro death differently or no?
