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I was taking a walk tonight and realized how much I hate myself. I then started searching up conversion therapy believing that if I fixed my gay side at least I would have one less problem regarding myself but then I realized all of them are banned in the country I live in. Now I have no other option but to find a way to make myself tolerate myself but I really don't know how. I have been hating myself forever. I hopefully might start going to counselling soon but I do not know how much that will help me if I hate myself so much I believe that I deserve to suffer. I do not know how to fix this anyone got advice?
 
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it helps me a bit to imagine other people in my shoes. every time i meet someone like me, i dont hate them the way i hate myself. i just want to show them compassion. if i can see bits of myself in my friends and not hate them, then that has to mean those traits arent inherently disgusting in me.
 
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I'd look at reducing, as much as possible, exposure to anything that reinforces your self-hatred. For instance, researching conversion therapy would be highly problematic here. As an alternative, you could research LGBTQ resources, advice, and guidance for reducing internalized homophobia and improving self-compassion and self-acceptance.

Another thing I'd look at is self-affirmations. These are short statements you can say to yourself to counteract your self-hatred and negative self-talk. For example, "I am worthy of love," "I am kind and compassionate," "I can embrace who I am," "My feelings and emotions are valid," etc. There are probably hundreds or even thousands of possible short statements you could use to this effect, repeating them to yourself (a lot -- repetition is key) as a means of countering self-hatred.

And try to catch yourself before you go too far with negative self-talk. If you can identify a negative thought, you could think of ways to neutralize it. For instance, if your thought is, "I am unlovable," you could neutralize that by recognizing it as a judgement rather than an objective fact and then challenging it with something like, "I might feel unloved, but that doesn't mean I'm unlovable." (A better challenge in this example would involve acknowledging positive traits in yourself and using those as evidence of being a lovable human being.)

You could also dive deeper into how your self-hatred developed in the first place.

It can usually be traced back to early negative life experiences in childhood or adolescence. There are things like neglect, abuse, bullying, feeling outcast among peers, difficulty in social settings, being the target of other people's frustration or stress, etc. It could also be attributed in part to an absence of positive experiences. Specifically to sexuality, there would be exposure to homophobia.

These experiences lead to the development of negative core beliefs, for example, "I'm unlovable," "I'm useless," "I'm stupid," etc.

And then these core beliefs lead to the development of maladaptive coping mechanisms and automatic (subconscious) assumptions. For example, if a core belief is "I'm unlovable," then maybe some coping mechanisms are, "I must people-please at all times, even if it means compromising who I am as a person," or, "I must never show emotions," or, "I must never make mistakes." And automatic assumptions could be along the lines of, "If I allow myself to get too close to someone, I'll be rejected," or, "People who try to get close to me are only doing this because they pity me."

These maladaptive coping mechanisms and automatic assumptions allow you to feel better and more secure about yourself in your day-to-day life because they protect you from feeling the sting of those core beliefs. But this is a fallacy because they're simultaneously causing undue stress as they are unrealistic standards to adhere to, as well as reinforcing (worsening, even) your self-hatred.

For purposes of trying to unlearn self-hatred, your core beliefs, coping mechanisms, and assumptions are fundamental components (they are part of your generalized outlook and approach to life). Identifying these would help towards catching your negative thoughts and behaviours and then challenging and countering them in the moment as they happen.
 
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Well, I really understand you... Less self-love is one of the most biggest problems of my life. And I tried many many years to find out how I can love myself. But all the things don't work for me at the end.

In the last few months I have discovered that I have a very strong voice inside me that tells me day and night what I'm doing wrong, where I wasn't perfect, what's wrong with me, a voice that also constantly judges everything good or bad, right or wrong. It is the voice of my inner critic, which probably comes from my mother.

At the moment I'm always so happy when I realize that my inner critic is criticizing me again, because I've always had this critical voice in me since I was a child, but it was so normal that I didn't think of it as bad I recognized it as harmful. Now I recognize it and am happy when I have caught the inner critic again... Then I can silence him better.
 
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Between love and hate might simply be acceptance.
 
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In the last few months I have discovered that I have a very strong voice inside me that tells me day and night what I'm doing wrong, where I wasn't perfect, what's wrong with me, a voice that also constantly judges everything good or bad, right or wrong.
Same boat. On the one hand I have done a lot of shameful and humiliating things as an adult. And I did as a teen. Those aren't illusory. But when I look back I find that the voice is even older. Seems like some kind of self-fulfilling prophecy going on.
 
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I was taking a walk tonight and realized how much I hate myself. I then started searching up conversion therapy believing that if I fixed my gay side at least I would have one less problem regarding myself but then I realized all of them are banned in the country I live in. Now I have no other option but to find a way to make myself tolerate myself but I really don't know how. I have been hating myself forever. I hopefully might start going to counselling soon but I do not know how much that will help me if I hate myself so much I believe that I deserve to suffer. I do not know how to fix this anyone got advice?
Fixed your gay side? I don't understand. Are you unhappy that you're gay or are other people unhappy with you?

Every gay person I know had to go through this phase where they came to realize that being gay is what they are, not what someone did to them or what they read or saw on the Internet. I believe this so-called conversion therapy is a bunch of crap. There have been gay people since there have been people.

If you can find it, watch John Barrowman's The Making of Me. He talks about it here but I couldn't find a link to the actual show. https://johnbarrowman.com/television/makingofme.shtml. He goes through this incredible investigation as to why he's gay. The funniest part for me is when they tested his 'gaydar'. He failed miserably. :sunglasses: They interviewed his parents and everything. Basically it came down to it was what he was since he was very young.

If you're fighting that it will affect everything else in your life. If you hate what you are at the core level nothing you do will make life worth it.

I'm not gay so I'll never know what it's like. But consider yourself hugged :hug:
 
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Fixed your gay side? I don't understand. Are you unhappy that you're gay or are other people unhappy with you?

Every gay person I know had to go through this phase where they came to realize that being gay is what they are, not what someone did to them or what they read or saw on the Internet. I believe this so-called conversion therapy is a bunch of crap. There have been gay people since there have been people.

If you can find it, watch John Barrowman's The Making of Me. He talks about it here but I couldn't find a link to the actual show. https://johnbarrowman.com/television/makingofme.shtml. He goes through this incredible investigation as to why he's gay. The funniest part for me is when they tested his 'gaydar'. He failed miserably. :sunglasses: They interviewed his parents and everything. Basically it came down to it was what he was since he was very young.

If you're fighting that it will affect everything else in your life. If you hate what you are at the core level nothing you do will make life worth it.

I'm not gay so I'll never know what it's like. But consider yourself hugged :hug:
It is one of the biggest problems in my life since I grew up in a homophobic area with a homophobic family and I believe in a homophobic religion. Now grown up I have become to detest my sexuality and wish I could be normal. Alas I know I need to accept myself since forever hate for something I cannot control is foolish as fuck. I just don't know how to accept myself.
 
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It is one of the biggest problems in my life since I grew up in a homophobic area with a homophobic family and I believe in a homophobic religion. Now grown up I have become to detest my sexuality and wish I could be normal. Alas I know I need to accept myself since forever hate for something I cannot control is foolish as fuck. I just don't know how to accept myself.
In my opinion, there is a big difference between what God wants and what's written down in the Holy Writings. God wants us to be happy. I don't believe God hates anyone. You didn't mention your specific religion but the Bible has been used to justify more pain, suffering, death, slavery and distruction than any book in history. That doesn't mean the Bible is bad. Just people who intrepret it and/or use it as such. Other Holy books have been used in the same way.

That being said, I'd ask why you hate it. Is it because you feel it's wrong or someone told you it was? Also, if you're young, it's natural to explore sexuality. Have you dated anyone of the opposite sex? If so, how did you feel about that?

If you know anyone who's gay, maybe talk with them. They may be able to find something that might make you think you're gay but are really in the exploration stage. Also, it's possible that you haven't had the best experiences with people of the opposite sex and just need to find someone who's kind to you. There may be someone here who's gone through the same thing.

The Witches say Blessed Be to You.
 
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In my opinion, there is a big difference between what God wants and what's written down in the Holy Writings. God wants us to be happy. I don't believe God hates anyone. You didn't mention your specific religion but the Bible has been used to justify more pain, suffering, death, slavery and distruction than any book in history. That doesn't mean the Bible is bad. Just people who intrepret it and/or use it as such. Other Holy books have been used in the same way.

That being said, I'd ask why you hate it. Is it because you feel it's wrong or someone told you it was? Also, if you're young, it's natural to explore sexuality. Have you dated anyone of the opposite sex? If so, how did you feel about that?

If you know anyone who's gay, maybe talk with them. They may be able to find something that might make you think you're gay but are really in the exploration stage. Also, it's possible that you haven't had the best experiences with people of the opposite sex and just need to find someone who's kind to you. There may be someone here who's gone through the same thing.

The Witches say Blessed Be to You.
Most of my friends are girls and I have one bisexual guy friend and some straight friends, I never had an attraction to my gals or wished I could date them but my bisexual friend I have romantic feelings for even though I am not as close to him as my female friends and met him later on in my uni life. I have never looked at a woman and was attracted at her. Sometimes a hangout with one of my female friends would look like a date to others i.e going to expensive restaurants, buying drinks and even sleeping in their apartments just me and one girl but I could not view those hangouts romantically no matter what. Even touching my gals through hugging or holding hands would be nothing for me but a platonic gesture. Yet, doing something similar with a guy would be an extremely big deal for me. I watched the Boy and the Heron with my bisexual friend and it felt like my brain and body went through overdrive when he would do something as simple as laugh.

I remember one time I went to an amusement park and I would find the most attractive women and pretend they are naked but I would not be intrigued no matter what but doing the same with an average guy would interest me. Even with every kind of nsfw women just never have excited me ever.

I did become friends with a gay guy for a couple days before my isolation. I talked to him about ideal men for dating and a lot of our checklist is similar which I found funny for some reason.

I just can't find women attractive and I have never in my life looked into my future and saw a woman being with me for the end so I believe I do not need to explore or continue pretending women can be an option for me.

The internal homophobia I got comes from just people telling me that queer people are disgusting for all my childhood. My family would find it easier to humanize a murderer than a queer person. For my brothers they would dehumanize lesbians and view them just as sexual tools not human. My mom once gave me a lecture about how homosexuals should be viewed and chastised as adulterers since they both commit sexual misconduct.

I don't like to put a label on myself but for a while I tried as much as possible to gaslight myself that I have no attraction to men and was attracted to women but that was extremely harmful to my psyche. Sexuality should really not be a big deal since it's simple as: "I like people with hanging fruit like me or I like people without any hanging fruit even though I got hanging fruit." For some people sexuality can be such a big decider for their mental health and self acceptance just because they grew up in an environment that told them they should hate who they are.

I try to treat my sexuality as something not a big deal like changing my personality or voice and even most people I meet do not know I have attraction to men until I say something like I have a guy crush. Unfortunately, some people put so much hate on something that can't even be controlled.

Unfortunately I have other reasons to hate myself like how I believe my worth as a human is only based on my accomplishments or due to me trusting a tutor who wanted to take advantage of my younger sister (thankfully he didn't do anything my sister reported him to the family before he could do anything but I feel responsible for trusting him to be alone with her).
 
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@UnnervedCompany I'm very sorry you're being failed so badly like this.

It sounds like you're in a particularly difficult spot with this level and amount of homophobia all around you, and I feel like your best option here will be to reach out to a local LGBTQ organization for support in working through this.

Personally, I am the "B" in "LGBTQ" and I had an awful time trying to bring myself to open up about it to my family -- which I eventually did. In my case, I knew beforehand that I'd get a totally supportive response from them, but even knowing this, I still struggled with it more than I could ever put into words. And knowing how hard this was for me even under those circumstances, I know in your case that you must be dealing with something indescribably awful here.

This sounds like so much for you to be coping with on your own. I would really encourage you, if/when you are able (and I assure you, I understand if you're unable) to reach out to some local resources because there is a lot of support out there, and because the situation you're describing is unfortunately something that a lot of other LGBTQ people can identify with. These are the people who will be in the best position to help guide you and support you through this, including ways to approach this while still keeping it hidden from family.
 
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UnnervedCompany

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@UnnervedCompany I'm very sorry you're being failed so badly like this.

It sounds like you're in a particularly difficult spot with this level and amount of homophobia all around you, and I feel like your best option here will be to reach out to a local LGBTQ organization for support in working through this.

Personally, I am the "B" in "LGBTQ" and I had an awful time trying to bring myself to open up about it to my family -- which I eventually did. In my case, I knew beforehand that I'd get a totally supportive response from them, but even knowing this, I still struggled with it more than I could ever put into words. And knowing how hard this was for me even under those circumstances, I know in your case that you must be dealing with something indescribably awful here.

This sounds like so much for you to be coping with on your own. I would really encourage you, if/when you are able (and I assure you, I understand if you're unable) to reach out to some local resources because there is a lot of support out there, and because the situation you're describing is unfortunately something that a lot of other LGBTQ people can identify with. These are the people who will be in the best position to help guide you and support you through this, including ways to approach this while still keeping it hidden from family.
I can get help thankfully I live in my uni residency 1 and a half hours away from home. I had already booked counselling (love u Canada for the free health care) so hopefully things can start improving.
 
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I was taking a walk tonight and realized how much I hate myself. I then started searching up conversion therapy believing that if I fixed my gay side at least I would have one less problem regarding myself but then I realized all of them are banned in the country I live in. Now I have no other option but to find a way to make myself tolerate myself but I really don't know how. I have been hating myself forever. I hopefully might start going to counselling soon but I do not know how much that will help me if I hate myself so much I believe that I deserve to suffer. I do not know how to fix this anyone got advice?
(Offtopic but love the Kafka pfp) Being gay isn't the wrong thing, conversion therapy is just going to make things worse and worse, being gay is something you cannot control and it'll either go away or stay on with itself, I'm not sure if any methods i can give you will help, though i find this particularly to help with negative thoughts towards myself, especially self-loathing or the urge to harm myself, i understand the feeling of wanting to suffer, and i wish you'd be ridden of it as much as i want to for myself, it hurts a lot, and no one deserves to suffer this much.

I'm unsure if this will help, but I've noticed that distracting yourself, with anything, helps numb down the feelings for a bit, not a permanent solution but definitely a temporary one, at least until you can find a therapist of sorts that can help.

i wish you luck on your recovery <3
 
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(Offtopic but love the Kafka pfp) Being gay isn't the wrong thing, conversion therapy is just going to make things worse and worse, being gay is something you cannot control and it'll either go away or stay on with itself, I'm not sure if any methods i can give you will help, though i find this particularly to help with negative thoughts towards myself, especially self-loathing or the urge to harm myself, i understand the feeling of wanting to suffer, and i wish you'd be ridden of it as much as i want to for myself, it hurts a lot, and no one deserves to suffer this much.

I'm unsure if this will help, but I've noticed that distracting yourself, with anything, helps numb down the feelings for a bit, not a permanent solution but definitely a temporary one, at least until you can find a therapist of sorts that can help.

i wish you luck on your recovery <3
(Thanks for the compliment on my Kafka PFP I will prolly change it to Sunday when he releases since he's #1 for me) This post was actually a bit ago. I am trying my best now to forgive those who have wronged me since that will heal me best. I can't go to therapy for a long while just cause how incompetent my countries' medical system is. Now instead of feeling hate it is just complete numbness. For the past 3 days there has been nothing inside my mind which I really don't know if its good or bad. I just finish my school work then doom scroll and feel nothing inside when doing either. I have stopped my self-harming tendencies which is a positive :P
 
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(Thanks for the compliment on my Kafka PFP I will prolly change it to Sunday when he releases since he's #1 for me) This post was actually a bit ago. I am trying my best now to forgive those who have wronged me since that will heal me best. I can't go to therapy for a long while just cause how incompetent my countries' medical system is. Now instead of feeling hate it is just complete numbness. For the past 3 days there has been nothing inside my mind which I really don't know if its good or bad. I just finish my school work then doom scroll and feel nothing inside when doing either. I have stopped my self-harming tendencies which is a positive :P
glad to hear you've stopped self harming, its a step in the right direction, wish you luck to recover fully <3
 
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One thing my therapist made me do was take a notebook and everyday write 1 full page of affirmations like

i deserve love / im worthy of love / i am allowed to love myself / it' ok to be myself / you get the point

you will absolutely cringe till your teeth fall off at first but it starts to sink in at some point

Also, check internal family system therapy, it´s what really did the trick for me
 
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Why do I exist?
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I was taking a walk tonight and realized how much I hate myself. I then started searching up conversion therapy believing that if I fixed my gay side at least I would have one less problem regarding myself but then I realized all of them are banned in the country I live in. Now I have no other option but to find a way to make myself tolerate myself but I really don't know how. I have been hating myself forever. I hopefully might start going to counselling soon but I do not know how much that will help me if I hate myself so much I believe that I deserve to suffer. I do not know how to fix this anyone got advice?
This post is so relatable. I too come from a very religious family
 

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