Method I asked questions about gases such as Argon, Helium, N2O to ChatGpt and learned a lot

[curiousbeing]

So... It seems gases trigger euphoria in two different ways: gases such as argon trigger asphyxiation, they quickly replace oxygen. They don't affect Central Nervous System at all. Argon's ability to trigger euphoria lies on its quick hypoxia power. Argon is also not toxic, unlike Toluene (inhaling Toluene can harm kidneys so much). Even if we manually hold our breaths and trigger hypoxia, we may feel high.

And then, there are gases such as Xenon (it's very rare, much stronger than N2O), N2O, R152, R134a, Toluene, etc. These gases induce hypoxia slower than argon, but inhaling them affects Central Nervous System (CNS for short) , it has depressant effect on CNS. These gases ability to induce euphoria is due to their ability to influence CNS. Hypoxia comes later, later than CNS is affected and one feels drowsy. This is kinda similar to opioids, morphine, but they are much more stronger than these gases

Xenon, N2O are the most strong Ones. Freon gases such as R152, R134a are moderately strong. Chloroform, Toluene are stronger than freon gases, but these gases are very toxic to body.

Flammability. Some gases such as butane, propane can be stronger than R152 but less strong than N2O, but they can flame. I researched, R134a is much less prone to flammability than R152. Otherwise, both gases require ignition source to flame.


My mind is very foggy, I can be wrong. You can ask ChatGpt following prompts and research for yourself:

"List 30 gases from the strongest to the weakest euphoria triggering, based on their ability to induce hypoxia"

"List 30 gases from the strongest to the weakest euphoria triggering, based on their ability to influence CNS"

""List 30 gases from the strongest to the weakest in terms of toxicity and / or flammability"
İ can't find N2O, other than N2O, R152 is the strongest gas, followed by R134a. Unfortunately, I couldn't find R-152a (but it is more prone to flammability than R-134a), so I will get R-134a. R-134a is weaker than inhaling butane but butane is dangerous, it can flame.


My method is to drown myself by inhaling euphoria inducing gas and losing consciousness, falling into cold sea (average weather temperature: 6C)

 

[Intoxicated]

The info provided by ChatGPT is not always precise and cannot be fully relied on. For example, you can look at my short conversation about the cost of xenon with it here

Spoiler

How much does xenon cost?

The cost of xenon gas can vary widely depending on factors like purity, quantity, and market conditions. As of recent years (2023-2024), the general price range for xenon gas is approximately:

• $1,000 to $5,000 per liter for high-purity xenon gas in small quantities (e.g., for laboratory use).
• For bulk purchases or larger quantities, the cost might decrease somewhat, but it's still on the higher end because xenon is a rare noble gas and is typically extracted from air in small quantities.

Xenon is not abundantly available and is mainly used in specialized applications such as:

• Lighting: Xenon gas is used in high-intensity discharge lamps, including those for automotive headlights, projectors, and medical equipment.
• Aerospace and medical fields: It has uses in certain types of anesthesia, as well as in some space exploration technologies.
• Research and industrial uses: Xenon is used in specific applications that require inert environments, such as certain kinds of lasers and high-performance optics.

In addition to the cost of the gas itself, prices can also be influenced by factors such as shipping, storage, and purity level, especially since xenon is typically sold in high-pressure cylinders. Keep in mind that this price range is a rough estimate and could fluctuate depending on the supplier, location, and specific market conditions at the time.

You mentioned that the price of xenon is approximately $1,000 to $5,000 per liter without specifying the pressure. 1 liter at 1 atm and 1 liter at 100 atm represent different amounts of gas, so it's difficult to determine an actual cost from your answer. Could you either clarify the implied pressure or tell the approximate cost of xenon per gram?

You're absolutely right, and I apologize for the confusion. The price of xenon gas is highly dependent on the pressure at which it is stored, as well as the form in which it's purchased. Since xenon is typically sold in high-pressure cylinders (often 200–250 atm), the volume at 1 atm (standard atmospheric pressure) would indeed differ from the actual volume of gas in the cylinder.

Cost of Xenon per Gram

To give a more precise answer, it's more useful to refer to the cost of xenon per gram rather than per liter at a specific pressure. As of 2023-2024, the cost of xenon is approximately $10 to $50 per gram depending on factors like purity, supplier, and the specific market conditions.

To clarify further:

• 1 liter of xenon gas at 1 atm (at standard temperature and pressure) would contain about 5.9 grams of xenon.
• At 100 atm in a pressurized cylinder, 1 liter would contain approximately 590 grams of xenon gas.

This means if you're purchasing xenon in a typical high-pressure cylinder, you are buying it at a much higher density than at standard pressure, and the cost will reflect this.

Approximate Calculation:

• If the price is around $10 to $50 per gram, then:
  • For 1 gram of xenon, the cost would range between $10 and $50.
  • For 1 liter of xenon at 1 atm, the cost would range from $59 to $295 (since 1 liter at 1 atm = approximately 5.9 grams).
  • For 1 liter of xenon at 100 atm, the cost would be much higher, ranging from $5,900 to $29,500 for the 590 grams in the cylinder.

These numbers are estimates, and the actual price can vary based on the supplier, purity (e.g., >99% pure vs. ultra-high purity), and the intended use.

Summary:

• Cost per gram: ~$10 to $50.
• Cost per liter at 1 atm: $59 to $295 (for 5.9 grams).
• Cost per liter at 100 atm: $5,900 to $29,500 (for 590 grams).

This gives a clearer picture of how much xenon might cost, depending on the quantity and pressure in which it is purchased.

I find it wonderful though how it was able to recognize and admit its mistake after I provided an elaborated hint.

It would be interesting to figure out how much xenon is better than nitrous oxide by trying both. Some described experiences with xenon sound very appealing.

https://erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=114686

Wish it were as cheap as nitrous ))

 

[curiousbeing]

The info provided by ChatGPT is not always precise and cannot be fully relied on. For example, you can look at my short conversation about the cost of xenon with it here

Spoiler

How much does xenon cost?

The cost of xenon gas can vary widely depending on factors like purity, quantity, and market conditions. As of recent years (2023-2024), the general price range for xenon gas is approximately:

• $1,000 to $5,000 per liter for high-purity xenon gas in small quantities (e.g., for laboratory use).
• For bulk purchases or larger quantities, the cost might decrease somewhat, but it's still on the higher end because xenon is a rare noble gas and is typically extracted from air in small quantities.

Xenon is not abundantly available and is mainly used in specialized applications such as:

• Lighting: Xenon gas is used in high-intensity discharge lamps, including those for automotive headlights, projectors, and medical equipment.
• Aerospace and medical fields: It has uses in certain types of anesthesia, as well as in some space exploration technologies.
• Research and industrial uses: Xenon is used in specific applications that require inert environments, such as certain kinds of lasers and high-performance optics.

In addition to the cost of the gas itself, prices can also be influenced by factors such as shipping, storage, and purity level, especially since xenon is typically sold in high-pressure cylinders. Keep in mind that this price range is a rough estimate and could fluctuate depending on the supplier, location, and specific market conditions at the time.

You mentioned that the price of xenon is approximately $1,000 to $5,000 per liter without specifying the pressure. 1 liter at 1 atm and 1 liter at 100 atm represent different amounts of gas, so it's difficult to determine an actual cost from your answer. Could you either clarify the implied pressure or tell the approximate cost of xenon per gram?

You're absolutely right, and I apologize for the confusion. The price of xenon gas is highly dependent on the pressure at which it is stored, as well as the form in which it's purchased. Since xenon is typically sold in high-pressure cylinders (often 200–250 atm), the volume at 1 atm (standard atmospheric pressure) would indeed differ from the actual volume of gas in the cylinder.

Cost of Xenon per Gram

To give a more precise answer, it's more useful to refer to the cost of xenon per gram rather than per liter at a specific pressure. As of 2023-2024, the cost of xenon is approximately $10 to $50 per gram depending on factors like purity, supplier, and the specific market conditions.

To clarify further:

• 1 liter of xenon gas at 1 atm (at standard temperature and pressure) would contain about 5.9 grams of xenon.
• At 100 atm in a pressurized cylinder, 1 liter would contain approximately 590 grams of xenon gas.

This means if you're purchasing xenon in a typical high-pressure cylinder, you are buying it at a much higher density than at standard pressure, and the cost will reflect this.

Approximate Calculation:

• If the price is around $10 to $50 per gram, then:
  • For 1 gram of xenon, the cost would range between $10 and $50.
  • For 1 liter of xenon at 1 atm, the cost would range from $59 to $295 (since 1 liter at 1 atm = approximately 5.9 grams).
  • For 1 liter of xenon at 100 atm, the cost would be much higher, ranging from $5,900 to $29,500 for the 590 grams in the cylinder.

These numbers are estimates, and the actual price can vary based on the supplier, purity (e.g., >99% pure vs. ultra-high purity), and the intended use.

Summary:

• Cost per gram: ~$10 to $50.
• Cost per liter at 1 atm: $59 to $295 (for 5.9 grams).
• Cost per liter at 100 atm: $5,900 to $29,500 (for 590 grams).

This gives a clearer picture of how much xenon might cost, depending on the quantity and pressure in which it is purchased.

I find it wonderful though how it was able to recognize and admit its mistake after I provided an elaborated hint.

It would be interesting to figure out how much xenon is better than nitrous oxide by trying both. Some described experiences with xenon sound very appealing.

https://erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=114686

Wish it were as cheap as nitrous ))

Do you know where you can find Xenon? If you know, could you please let me know?

Propane, R-134a gas balloons/cylinders are commonly sold here, but finding R-152a is difficult, let alone more rare gases such as N2O and Xenon

ChatGpt does make mistakes unfortunately, I also caught a mistake a few days ago. But it immediately apologized and made corrections. It seems that after asking it a question, I must ask a follow up prompt: "Please, if you made any mistakes, correct yourself"

Well, there are a few videos and Quora threads on producing Xenon:

How can I make a device to extract Xenon from the atmosphere?

Answer (1 of 5): First, you'll need an air compressor. Doesn't sound too tricky, except that you'll need a huge one, something that can process a million cubic feet an hour or more (we'll get to why in a minute). And, of course, you'll need to cool the air after you compress it (compression heats...

www.quora.com

Wish it were as cheap as nitrous ))

I googled Xenon and N2O in Russian, it seems there are a few sources in Russia.

Wish it were as cheap as nitrous ))

It seems that in Russia, they can be bought locally, no need to order them online and wait for days.

I wonder, are there any kinds of shops where I can ask for them? For example, R-134a gas is sold here in car repair & car parts selling shops. But how about shops&places selling xenon or N2O? I know, N2O is sold here in a few places where medical equipment such as Computer Tomography, USM devices are sold. Such places won't sell N2O to people outside medical industry like me

Other than places selling medical equipment, where can I find N2O?

If N2O is part of Firefight balloons, maybe I need to buy one of them?

 

[maniac116]

The key to gases is getting one that replaces oxygen. Lack of oxygen doesn't kick off the feeling of oxygen deprivation & SI. Its the buildup of carbon dioxide in the blood that kicks off the desperate attempt to get oxygen & SI

 

[curiousbeing]

The key to gases is getting one that replaces oxygen. Lack of oxygen doesn't kick off the feeling of oxygen deprivation & SI. Its the buildup of carbon dioxide in the blood that kicks off the desperate attempt to get oxygen & SI

They have various speed of replacing oxygen. According to ChatGpt, argon is fastest, freon gases are slower than argon.

 

[Intoxicated]

Do you know where you can find Xenon?

I don't remember, it's been quite a while since I last checked suppliers that sell it. Xenon is too expensive for me, so no point to bother about looking for it. It could be a perfectly good gas for rich people who can afford it.

Propane, R-134a gas balloons/cylinders are commonly sold here, but finding R-152a is difficult

I think, non-flammable gases should be preferred to highly flammable ones, because flammable gases are more likely to be mixed with unpleasantly smelling odorants helping to detect possible leaks. Propane and butane are probably the worst ones in terms of odds of having bad smell due to added mercaptans.

I wonder, are there any kinds of shops where I can ask for them? For example, R-134a gas is sold here in car repair & car parts selling shops. But how about shops&places selling xenon or N2O? I know, N2O is sold here in a few places where medical equipment such as Computer Tomography, USM devices are sold. Such places won't sell N2O to people outside medical industry like me

Other than places selling medical equipment, where can I find N2O?

I obtained food grade N2O in whippets, but whippets probably wouldn't be helpful for your plan with drowning in sea because of difficulties with carrying and consuming the gas stored this way after you enter water. There are bigger cylinders with food grade N2O similar to those which contain refrigerants, but they may be harder to find and purchase than whippets.

If N2O is part of Firefight balloons, maybe I need to buy one of them?

If you mean fire extinguishers, then no. N2O is a strong oxidizer that makes it absolutely inappropriate for fire extinguishing.

 

[curiousbeing]

I don't remember, it's been quite a while since I last checked suppliers that sell it. Xenon is too expensive for me, so no point to bother about looking for it. It could be a perfectly good gas for rich people who can afford it.

I think, non-flammable gases should be preferred to highly flammable ones, because flammable gases are more likely to be mixed with unpleasantly smelling odorants helping to detect possible leaks. Propane and butane are probably the worst ones in terms of odds of having bad smell due to added mercaptans.

I obtained food grade N2O in whippets, but whippets probably wouldn't be helpful for your plan with drowning in sea because of difficulties with carrying and consuming the gas stored this way after you enter water. There are bigger cylinders with food grade N2O similar to those which contain refrigerants, but they may be harder to find and purchase than whippets.

If you mean fire extinguishers, then no. N2O is a strong oxidizer that makes it absolutely inappropriate for fire extinguishing.

Thank you for your reply.

Yes, xenon is both expensive and hard to find. Not worth the trouble to find it

There is lots of propane gas sold here but I will get only and only freon gases. If possible, I will get R-134a, since according to chatgpt, it can make me feel euphoria too. If I can't, I will find and get R-22 or R-32.

Yes,my method is drowning at sea

I found one or two websites that claim to sell N2O. I need to visit those websites and research. Most likely I think they are either outdated websites or simply false information. Other than those websites I need to check, I couldn't find anything else. But I won't feel devastated, since R-134a can also make me feel high, according to ChatGpt. And ultimately, my goal is to use those gases to lose consciousness faster in a cold sea. Asphyxiation and euphoria effect are nice additional bonuses I will get, and although they aren't strictly necessary for me, I feel grateful and happy for asphyxiation and small / medium euphoria I will experience

I obtained food grade N2O in whippets

It's totally fine if you don't want to answer this question, but could you please tell me at which time do you plan to ctb? Next month? Next year? Or never? It's totally okay if you don't want to answer this question.

As for me, I am waiting for New Year holidays to pass. After holidays, probably on January, after I buy 1kg R-134a, I will ctb. Who knows, maybe suddenly I will find a website which will allow me to buy N2O locally. R-134a is more than enough for me, since it allows me to not only just lose consciousness faster but also develop asphyxiation and even experience euphoria. But if I can find N2O, I will use N2O

There are bigger cylinders with food grade N2O similar to those which contain refrigerants, but they may be harder to find and purchase than whippets.

One big advantage of N2O is that it doesn't cause frostbite. Unfortunately, R-134a will most likely cause frostbite after direct inhalation. I may cover hose with socks so gas won't immediately enter my mouth, but I don't know how effective this will be to prevent frostbite. Yes, I can fill some balloon or plastic bag with freon gas and inhale it from them to prevent frostbite, but I am too tired for that. Direct inhalation is very easy and effortless. I hope socks will block as much as possible freezing effects of freon gas so after gas leaves socks, it will be less cold.

Since my goal is ctb and I am sure I won't survive drowning, I don't think I should care about frostbite too much. Frostbite itself can be helpful too, it may freeze some important tissue/organs related to breathing and actually may contribute to my ctb

So, R-134a has 3 additional bonuses for me: asphyxiation, euphoria and frostbite (I don't know how helpful it will be if I cover part of hose in my mouth with socks that allow air to pass).

 

[Intoxicated]

It's totally fine if you don't want to answer this question, but could you please tell me at which time do you plan to ctb? Next month? Next year? Or never?

Just when the life becomes not worth living (many circumstances are involved). No estimated date.

Unfortunately, R-134a will most likely cause frostbite after direct inhalation.

I think, the liquid form is way more dangerous than gaseous substance, hence it makes sense to avoid tilting the cylinder in the first place, because that's the common cause of throwing a fluid instead of a gas from vessels containing liquified gases.