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TAW122

TAW122

Emissary of the right to die.
Aug 30, 2018
6,883
I know that everyone (including myself) are all guilty of this before, whether it is subconsciously or even unintentionally in conversations, but in this venting article, I'm referring to people who go out of their way, intentionally to be a contrarian or just to try to prove or disprove a point for the sake of it. This not only fails to offer any constructive, useful, or helpful criticism or anything closer to a solution, but more often than not, it is also quite dismissive, ridiculing, and insulting towards the person it is addressed to.

So what do I mean by people who are intentionally being contrarians? These are the kinds of people who will try to look for some outliers or special case and use that just as an argument not to be constructive or helpful in any way, but merely trying to disprove a certain point, in other words, being an ass. Sure, they are free to speak their mind and I cannot limit their speech (nor that I could or want to), but they aren't going to be regarded highly by me. They are instead going to be seen as 'trolls' and just mere detractors and nuisances more than anything. Additionally, I find them rather insufferable, irritating, and essentially, they are smart-asses. This can happen in almost any topic or field, not necessarily limited to CTB or RTD discussions, but even everyday topics and other spaces too.

For instance, when I was into other things such as food, gaming, and/or other activities, some of these people are often cite really special, outlandish cases, even in a veneer snideful tone (the latter part being just superfluous and unnecessary but definitely adds insult to injury). I see this not only on Reddit, but also in other areas and forums that I'm a part of it outside of SaSu. The reason it's so frustrating and irritating is that it doesn't help get me any closer to a solution, and it is also at best, a waste of time while also dismissing and invalidating (especially if the person responding is being snarky or ridiculing and mocking towards the claim, even at times veering off topic and derailing the discussion. For example, when I was once discussing about specifics about food and taste, while there may be some constructive and helpful comments about my topic at hand, there has even been some people who derail the thread or topic I had in mind and even went to be a contrarian just for the sake of it, only complicating the topic, derailing it from it's original point, and also just irritating to read and parse.

In conclusion, people will always do whatever they wish to and I know that's human nature and I cannot control how they will interpret, respond, or act towards whatever it is. However, I do make it clear that people (outside of SaSu) who just seek to prove some point by being a contrarian is really not offering any benefit to the discussion nor does it help me get anywhere closer to a solution or answer. In fact, I get very annoyed at such behaviors and it just serves to frustrate me further. I figured I vent a little bit as I think I'm not the only person who has experienced people who are just contrarians for the sake of trying to prove a point, proving the original poster (me, or just anyone else who is looking for serious answers and responses) wrong, or just overall being obnoxious for shits and giggles.
 
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Ah, the classic debate bros. :)

Yeah we all can agree they suck lol.
 
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dundunch1cken

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Nov 15, 2024
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no i totally get you Taw, those who just wanna spread false information are so frustrating to talk to, because they know how absurd their behaviour is and yet they choose to continue. some people simply enjoy tricking others and over the smallest stuff too…
 
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Dr Iron Arc

Dr Iron Arc

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Feb 10, 2020
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This is literally me, I feel attacked. :(
 
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CTB Dream

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Ya know how this prblm nat lang, ppl can trol etc use lang make cntrdct keep argu
 
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TAW122

TAW122

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@Dr Iron Arc I'm sorry you feel attacked, I don't direct my rant at any individual(s) in particular. Also, when venting, my focus is primarily with people who are deliberately bringing up special circumstances or exceptions to the rule as an argument in an effort to derail or argue in bad faith. Fortunately, I haven't had too many of such incidents IRL or in other groups, but when I do run into them, I try to recenter the conversation and depending on whether it succeeds or fail will determine whether I just leave the conversation or not.

@Downdraft I agree with you too, because it is counterproductive and even a waste of time and energy to entertain tangential points that have little or no application to a predicament. Whenever I ask something especially in various circles, I'm merely trying to find an answer, and if people in those circles derail the conversation or try to be a contrarian just for the sake of trolling, it is just frustrating. Sometimes, I feel like doing that back to them to give them a taste of their own medicine, but I digress..
 
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Dr Iron Arc

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@Dr Iron Arc I'm sorry you feel attacked, I don't direct my rant at any individual(s) in particular. Also, when venting, my focus is primarily with people who are deliberately bringing up special circumstances or exceptions to the rule as an argument in an effort to derail or argue in bad faith. Fortunately, I haven't had too many of such incidents IRL or in other groups, but when I do run into them, I try to recenter the conversation and depending on whether it succeeds or fail will determine whether I just leave the conversation or not.
No need to feel sorry, I should be sorry since I've still done even bad faith arguments just to be facetious for my own amusement. I can't help how fun it feels sometimes to separate myself from a discussion and focus on the reactions of the people involved. Not saying that makes it okay though and you're right to feel frustrated when someone does that.
 
ZeroM24

ZeroM24

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For me it feels hard and also often confusing how to not be a contrarian, because life makes barely any sense to me, especially human life. I feel like I have no choice but to be a "contrarian", I really have almost never the same thoughts and feelings as other humans.
 
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cloudyskye

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I get what you're saying but sometimes devils advocate can actually be helpful.
 
ms_beaverhousen

ms_beaverhousen

-acute terminal depression-
Mar 14, 2024
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No need to feel sorry, I should be sorry since I've still done even bad faith arguments just to be facetious for my own amusement. I can't help how fun it feels sometimes to separate myself from a discussion and focus on the reactions of the people involved. Not saying that makes it okay though and you're right to feel frustrated when someone does that.
I thought you were kidding lol. I need to see this for myself :p
 
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Forever Sleep

Earned it we have...
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I think I do this and I'm sorry if I've offended you in the past. It's not meant with mallice. It tends to be how my mind works. I do it to myself too- try to think around different ways of looking at something. I think I try to do it to myself to ensure that I'm being as reasonable as possible. Maybe because I know I have a cynical, pessimistic view of the world and of other people a fair bit too, I suppose I sometimes try to look for other solutions.
 
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Dr Iron Arc

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I thought you were kidding lol. I need to see this for myself :p
I haven't actually done that here much (at least not recently). That's more just how I am in general.
 
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TAW122

TAW122

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@Forever Sleep No, I don't think you did it intentionally or anything similar to that, I've seen far worse (especially people when interacting in IRL where they nitpick on any minor/small detail and just fixate and focus on that alone while ignoring or even missing the point of the argument). The main point of this thread is mainly about people who intentionally do it just to be difficult, annoying, or even unhelpful. So in short, I don't think you are guilty of that. In fact, I think a lot of your posts really offer a lot of interesting insights and what not, especially when they are well nuanced and even explore other perspectives.

@cloudyskye Yeah, true, there are times where having a Devil's Advocate can be helpful in discussions or exploring other new perspectives and/or understanding the opposition.
 
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EternalShore

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yeah, I hate when I read Reddit or Quora threads for information on certain issues or help, and the people there are like~ "Actually, your worldview is wrong", "touch grass", "just do [insert question premise here]" or other snarky comments that don't help whatsoever besides just making me livid~ :/
 
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TAW122

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Aug 30, 2018
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Yeah I had to filter and sift through the heaps of garbage responses to find the nugget of useful information, or even (semi)relevant information of the topic at hand. It is quite infuriating and hence I (almost) never post on those platforms. I only ever reference them when I have to or find useful information to include in an argument, topic, or thread.
 
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EternalShore

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completely understandable! >_< I find it very annoying too! One just doesn't need to add to the garbage heap of those sites! >_<
 
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daley

daley

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May 11, 2024
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I know that everyone (including myself) are all guilty of this before, whether it is subconsciously or even unintentionally in conversations, but in this venting article, I'm referring to people who go out of their way, intentionally to be a contrarian or just to try to prove or disprove a point for the sake of it. This not only fails to offer any constructive, useful, or helpful criticism or anything closer to a solution, but more often than not, it is also quite dismissive, ridiculing, and insulting towards the person it is addressed to.

Just today I was watching a video by Hank Green talking about bots who are programmed to do this, for reasons which are not entirely clear.



Maybe you have been encountering bots?
 

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