Method I made a thread about helping me choose but nobody responded. So I'm even more inclined now to just try to OD on opioids&benzos

[donttalktome]

I dont even know a place where i can be left alone but im sure i can find some, can go in the middle of the night don't care.
i take 10 xans a day and i'm going to get a grand mal seizure since i can't afford the addiction, soon. the seizure guarantees brain damage but not death.
my body is so weak im almost already dead, but i can get a script for oxy 80s or morphine or whatever. i'm thinking of spending my last money on that, going somewhere secluded and taking as much of both those drugs as possible.
i could add alcohol but i never drink alcohol in my life.
Opioid ODs lack protocols I understand that. I am just guessing based on the state of my body. I know i'm literally gonna collapse and it's possible i'll die from a single oxy pill. And if i manage to eat a whole pack and nobody comes to rescue me, i feel like my odds are pretty darn high. I can take 20 xans to mix that for a maximum overdose.
But I don't know how viable this idea is.
My only alternative is train via guillotine or just jumping in front of it. Both are a coin toss. I don't have time or possibility for other methods and I considered every option.

 

[rozeske]

Can't really suggested a method for you but if a method sounds risky and pretty much a coin toss, it's worth considering what the flip side is and if it's worth the risk.

 

[Richard Langford]

Wish I could get a prescription for Morphine.

 

[SomePeacePlease]

Trust me, don't do it. I'm prescribed 450mg Tramadol, 45mg Valium and 3600mg Gabapentin daily. Even if I took entire pack of all of them, it's not a guaranteed death. I've even had Oxy and Xanax, along with the Gabapentin. Same deal. Yeah, some of it is down to my high tolerance, because of a chronic back pain after 20 ECT(Electroshock treatments), but I've tried taking doses that easily should have taken me out, but you are more likely to mess up your organs than ctb.

 

[dontwakemeup]

If I knew a great method then I wouldn't be here. I can't tell you if your method is guaranteed, I'm not sure. I just hope that you get the results that you are looking for.

Wish I could get a prescription for Morphine.

I would drink the whole bottle immediately!

 

[escape_from_hell]

Sad to hear you are in this position.
I guess all the anti-choicers reading this thread probably get a huge grin and boner when they read about people trapped like this struggling to find a way to simply not be.

On the other hand, access to opioids + benzos is not the worst situation.
My order of operations is: travel for N, opioid+benzo+alcohol, anesthetics(ket/dxm/alcohol/other) + jumping (pass out and fall to die), and if all else fails shotgun.

Your tolerance to benzos may be an issue, OR an asset. It may make you less likely to throw up and help you get down enough benzos with the opioids and alcohol to get you there. No alcohol tolerance may help you take 1-2 shots to get a big effect and work with the opioid+benzo, and pre-game against survival instinct.

But unfortunately you will need to work up a few sober moments to really sit down and assess the feasibility. Look at how much of each substance you can realistically get and do some calculations (and consider your tolerance) to see if it is indeed likely or a total moonshot. And of course having a good stretch of alone time to make sure no hero arrives to try and force you to stay in hell.

Whatever happens, best wishes and peace.

 

[SomePeacePlease]

Sad to hear you are in this position.
I guess all the anti-choicers reading this thread probably get a huge grin and boner when they read about people trapped like this struggling to find a way to simply not be.

I can assure you in not saying what I did with a grin if that's what you meant.
Most of us are in the situation of wanting to exit this world, in one way or another. I simply don't want someone to attempt to ctb "just" by using benzo+opiates. It's risky, and may cause you to live in even more of a hell. Read up on the amount of benzo needed to kill you. It's an insane amount. Combining it with a morphine substance will increase chance of supressed respiration, but is in no way a guarantee to die by itself. You mention it as a combination with alcohol and jumping, which completely changes the method, but I just wanted to comment on the post, explaining my opinion from 20 years experience in and out of wards, and in psychiatry.

I'm sorry if it came across as something else.

Edit: Messed up the quoting, but the last one is my response. I'm sorry for terrible format.

 

[escape_from_hell]

Edit: Messed up the quoting, but the last one is my response. I'm sorry for terrible format.

No worries, I was not accusing you of being anti-choicer. I was referring to all the creepy scum that read this site and connivingly come up with ways to torture us more or just get off on seeing our pain or try and censor.
I thought you were offering your personal experience as helpful info. And I agree, I advised they should sit down and look at how realistic it actually is before trying anything.

I do wonder how opioid + benzo is horrible for CTB but at the same time we have a media-hyped overdose death problem.
I do see tons of people on the streets so I know that part is real. Are they not actually dying? Are many cases of people being passed out just over-dramatized? One incentive I could see if emergency services trying to scoop up every napping person on the street to try to rack up huge medical bills they know cannot be paid by the person and then sticking the taxpayer with the bill.

 

[Dai]

Wish I could get a prescription for Morphine.

Not sure about how legit, but just read a thread earlier about not needing a prescription in a Vietnam pharmacy to get xanax, ritalin, and morphine, if that helps

Tempted to travel to a developing country and go out in a blaze.

About a year ago, I was in Vietnam as an English teacher, and found myself in this backpacker quarter. The place was crazy- I walked into a pharmacy to get my anti-anxiety meds, and not only did I not need a prescription, the pharmacist tried to sell me xanax, ritalin, and morphine. I was...

sanctioned-suicide.net

 

[Richard Langford]

Not sure about how legit, but just read a thread earlier about not needing a prescription in a Vietnam pharmacy to get xanax, ritalin, and morphine, if that helps

Tempted to travel to a developing country and go out in a blaze.

About a year ago, I was in Vietnam as an English teacher, and found myself in this backpacker quarter. The place was crazy- I walked into a pharmacy to get my anti-anxiety meds, and not only did I not need a prescription, the pharmacist tried to sell me xanax, ritalin, and morphine. I was...

sanctioned-suicide.net

I know. And thank you for the thought. It probably is credible. I'm sure though I personally wouldn't want to pass in some 3rd World hotel. Own house, own bed ideally for me.

 

[donttalktome]

Oh, i forgot to mention i have 0 tolerance to opioids...i almost never in my life even took NSAIDs or whatever otc pain meds are called...so absolutely 0 tolerance for anything opioid-like, not even once stuff like tramadol in my life. Also I do have pregabalin, baclofen and sirdalud too but i'm not sure if that will be of any use, it will extrapolate the sedative effects but don't know much more. So I have no experience with this kinda stuff and I can't really test it, because my test will end up with bad consequences. Not like those methods can be tested in the first place. I cannot afford to get locked up in the local nuthouse at all costs, due to various irrelevant reasons i won't mention. It will truly be over for me if i end up there and my chance will be gone. Overall i have severe weight loss like cancer patients and my heart generally doesn't seem to work correctly, it feels like it needs just a little push to die completely. One thing worth considering is that i have an undiagnosed stomach issues, which might affect absorption and mess up this idea I suppose. I only know I have NAFLD, but im 99% sure i also have some undiagnosed issue deeper inside my stomach.

 

[SomePeacePlease]

No worries, I was not accusing you of being anti-choicer. I was referring to all the creepy scum that read this site and connivingly come up with ways to torture us more or just get off on seeing our pain or try and censor.
I thought you were offering your personal experience as helpful info. And I agree, I advised they should sit down and look at how realistic it actually is before trying anything.

I do wonder how opioid + benzo is horrible for CTB but at the same time we have a media-hyped overdose death problem.
I do see tons of people on the streets so I know that part is real. Are they not actually dying? Are many cases of people being passed out just over-dramatized? One incentive I could see if emergency services trying to scoop up every napping person on the street to try to rack up huge medical bills they know cannot be paid by the person and then sticking the taxpayer with the bill.

I agree with you. As for the streets, it's a different story, I believe. Unless people here go to the streets to get their drugs, they should be getting fairly "clean" opioids and benzo. The stuff you see on TV is a clusterfuck of not only fentanyl, but also mixed in tranquilizers. There hasn't been clean drugs on the streets for years now. You can overdose on heroine obviously, I'm not denying that. I watched some documentaries from Kensington Street in Philadelphia(?), and the stuff the take and OD on is vile, and also lethal to withdraw from. Personally, I've never gone to the streets for drugs, just my doctor, but Oxy gave the exact same molecular structure as heroine, but majority of the Oxy you get prescribed has a "safety mechanism" with a minor addition of Naloxone in them, can only be taken orally to have effect etc.

If I were to try and OD from my Valium(500mg boxes), Tramadol(100 x packs of 150mg), and gabapentin(100 x 800mg), I would not ctb, and more likely to get serotonergic syndrome from the Tramadol. If you have pure morphine, it's a different story, but I really advise caution. I was on Oxy as well, as I mentioned, and it's the same story.

I believe OD on these kinds of medications is on the "No-go ways to ctb" here on this site. If you use it as a way of numbing yourself to go jump, or any other method, that's a different story ofcourse.

I think we're on the same page I just don't want anyone to cause themself additional pain upon trying this method.

 

[Richard Langford]

I agree with you. As for the streets, it's a different story, I believe. Unless people here go to the streets to get their drugs, they should be getting fairly "clean" opioids and benzo. The stuff you see on TV is a clusterfuck of not only fentanyl, but also mixed in tranquilizers. I watched some documentaries from Kensington Street in Philadelphia(?), and the stuff the take and OD on is vile, and also lethal to withdraw from.

If I were to try and OD from my Valium(500mg boxes), Tramadol(100 x packs of 150mg), and gabapentin(100 x 800mg), I would not ctb, and more likely to get serotonergic syndrome from the Tramadol. If you have pure morphine, it's a different story, but I really advise caution. I was on Oxy as well, as I mentioned, and it's the same story.

I believe OD on these kinds of medications is on the "No-go ways to ctb" here on this site. If you use it as a way of numbing yourself to go jump, or any other method, that's a different story ofcourse.

I think we're on the same page

People seemingly do OD on Tramadol. It isn't unknown and is reported. In terms of Morhpine I agree, but it's very difficult to get.

 

[escape_from_hell]

I believe OD on these kinds of medications is on the "No-go ways to ctb" here on this site. If you use it as a way of numbing yourself to go jump, or any other method, that's a different story ofcourse.

The Matthew Perry. Use substance(s) to basically put yourself in anesthetic induced coma, and leave your body to the doctors of death like gravity, water, smoke, train, etc. Pray to never wake up.

Aside from poor CTB potential on their own, do you think your medications are capable of that?

 

[SomePeacePlease]

The Matthew Perry. Use substance(s) to basically put yourself in anesthetic induced coma, and leave your body to the doctors of death like gravity, water, smoke, train, etc. Pray to never wake up.

Aside from poor CTB potential on their own, do you think your medications are capable of that?

Personally, I have a too high tolerance, that I'd need alcohol, fentanyl(been on fentanyl patches too), Xanax(took about 8-10mg of this while on 80mg Oxy daily, but also tried taking up to 200mg Oxy to try ctb) and gabapentin to even have a chance to stop respiration. That's due to my tolerance. I woke up completely fine every time, but been forced into a tapering now, having to pick up medications 2 times pr week, so will have no choice but to use a different method.

As for others, if they even have tolerance for any of the substances(like benzo), I'd say the method is highly risky. It's a reason why it's on the "Not recommended methods" here on the site. I'd go as far as saying the method is risky, period.

This is ofcourse if you use substances alone. If you use it to numb yourself enough to use another method, that's a different story.

I base this on my own research, and personal experience, and it comes down to a lot of factors, and what substances within each group of benzo, morphine etc. you do use.

 

[SomePeacePlease]

People seemingly do OD on Tramadol. It isn't unknown and is reported. In terms of Morhpine I agree, but it's very difficult to get.

It's not impossible, but bloody uncomfortable. The serotonin syndrome is NOT a great way to go. Since Tramadol is not a natural form of morphine, like codeine is, you will get the syndrome before you OD. It's a very high dosage that is required.

I went through serotonin syndrome while being on Zoloft(SSRI) while also being on Tramadol. It felt like death, but not in the good way. Serotonin syndrome is also possibly lethal, but not a way I'd recommend to go.

In terms of morphine, the only method I can think of as a "sure thing" would be heroine injected(I've never purchased drugs illegally, but pure heroine has supposedly been "impossible" to find in years), Fentanyl or a high dosage of PURE Oxycodone. Not stuff like Targin/Targiniq that has Naloxone in it.
Mixed with benzo, alcohol and preferably gabapentin.


Disclaimer: If I'm moving outside of the rules of what is allowed to be discussed in this part of the forum, I'm very sorry, and please delete my post.

 

[Richard Langford]

It's not impossible, but bloody uncomfortable. The serotonin syndrome is NOT a great way to go. Since Tramadol is not a natural form of morphine, like codeine is, you will get the syndrome before you OD. It's a very high dosage that is required.

I went through serotonin syndrome while being on Zoloft(SSRI) while also being on Tramadol. It felt like death, but not in the good way. Serotonin syndrome is also possibly lethal, but not a way I'd recommend to go.

In terms of morphine, the only method I can think of as a "sure thing" would be heroine injected(I've never purchased drugs illegally, but pure heroine has supposedly been "impossible" to find in years), Fentanyl or a high dosage of PURE Oxycodone. Not stuff like Targin/Targiniq that has Naloxone in it.
Mixed with benzo, alcohol and preferably gabapentin.


Disclaimer: If I'm moving outside of the rules of what is allowed to be discussed in this part of the forum, I'm very sorry, and please delete my post.

Its accessibility to the things you mention that's difficult. Apparently, all things can be purchased on Telegram but where to start? Type in "buy heroin" lol?

 

[Richard Langford]

I agree with you. As for the streets, it's a different story, I believe. Unless people here go to the streets to get their drugs, they should be getting fairly "clean" opioids and benzo. The stuff you see on TV is a clusterfuck of not only fentanyl, but also mixed in tranquilizers. There hasn't been clean drugs on the streets for years now. You can overdose on heroine obviously, I'm not denying that. I watched some documentaries from Kensington Street in Philadelphia(?), and the stuff the take and OD on is vile, and also lethal to withdraw from. Personally, I've never gone to the streets for drugs, just my doctor, but Oxy gave the exact same molecular structure as heroine, but majority of the Oxy you get prescribed has a "safety mechanism" with a minor addition of Naloxone in them, can only be taken orally to have effect etc.

If I were to try and OD from my Valium(500mg boxes), Tramadol(100 x packs of 150mg), and gabapentin(100 x 800mg), I would not ctb, and more likely to get serotonergic syndrome from the Tramadol. If you have pure morphine, it's a different story, but I really advise caution. I was on Oxy as well, as I mentioned, and it's the same story.

I believe OD on these kinds of medications is on the "No-go ways to ctb" here on this site. If you use it as a way of numbing yourself to go jump, or any other method, that's a different story ofcourse.

I think we're on the same page I just don't want anyone to cause themself additional pain upon trying this method.

Why would you advise caution on Morphine? And what do you perceive is wrong with Oxycontin re the same thing?

 

[notreallybored]

ב''ה,

Feeling the bullshit-ness of this website (funny when the suicide hotline and the suicide website are both cruel jokes) but, somehow supposedly we're all here.

It's fucking wild and weird both how many people manage to die from opiates and how many are still walking around often trying to.

Really the best you can be certain of is a nice solid nap and withdrawal, the question of brain damage if respiratory depression and so on.

Annoyingly I can tell you there's apparently new treatment for NAFLD on the horizon and I don't know if that matters, another expense in the nightmare medical system, doesn't sound like a uniquely unpleasant medicine though.

Benzos.. frickin' benzos. As with booze, trouble is they feel good but also bring on the depression in that "depressant" way in a way you don't notice until finally years distant from them. As in, everything still impossibly sucks but, years over the hump, it's not like being a case of beer in on pills with equivalent decision making every day, not that there's much else to do in life unless you have something that makes money and love to work.

But the quitting is a bitch. Life pro tip, do not do anything more stimulant than caffeine or a SSRI (not saying that's a good idea or that SSRIs are very 'stimulant') while benzo withdrawing. To get through it you have to choke on the anxiety and know it's all fake brain chemicals.

For 2 weeks, at least, if raw-dogging it, and then it's back to everything is shitty and, perhaps anxious to begin with. No lie it takes probably a solid two years of abstinence to be like 'yeah, what was the point of benzos anyway? At least I'm not waking up with a pile of benzo decisions to unravel on top of everything being shit.'

Meanwhile to taper.. at least there's kava kava at the health food store and maybe phenibut is still around somewhere, don't drink with it or you'll have worse than benzo problems / hope you like puking. But if you can actually medically taper, quit the stupid 10 Xans and do a single Valium or Clonazepam of equivalent relief, not equivalent mg of course, then taper that. The instant withdrawal effect of fast acting and leaving Xans makes it easier to be stupid and addicted. Just don't party with the stuff that lasts all day rather than being withdrawal in a few hours.

A sane doctor will know this and I'm not sure there are any. Then you still gotta halve the all day pills and tough it out and then still white knuckle it for months when off without the withdrawal seizures part but with reality sucking.


So, back to the topic.. if there was a sure thing method to use while sure to be napping, wouldn't that be great, but aside from going out in the woods with a time bomb under your pillow or equivalent for some kind of sealed vehicle mode of exit, I don't know.

Also for everyone assuming opiates are some blissful panacea.. moreso if you don't have tolerance, too much is going to be a bunch of itching and puking although probably still with passing out after the rough part. You know how smoking one cigarette is satisfying to a smoker but the whole pack at once is kind of stupid? Even opiates are like that, except the 'kind of stupid' includes the 'and then maybe it does stop breathing' except if that were a sure thing there wouldn't be so many users still alive somehow. Benzos meanwhile.. don't have that kind of sweet spot to worry about aside from whether you want to remember what you did for those 12+ hours, if that's all you know from.

Anyway, just another long hopefully informational rant that this could take the edge off a sure way to go but probably isn't one itself. Honestly the whole nembutal thing probably is like 'benzo but with none of the safety guardrails of benzo metabolism' so at least might have a possibility of not being dysphoric in the process.

 

[Richard Langford]

It's fucking wild and weird both how many people manage to die from opiates and how many are still walking around often trying to.

Really the best you can be certain of is a nice solid nap and withdrawal, the question of brain damage if respiratory depression and so on.

The best?

 

[notreallybored]

ב''ה,

Let me just add, the thing is that benzos were developed because people were going Marilyn Monroe (and Hendrix?) from barbs left and right during that era, whatever exactly happened to those celebs.

While nothing is sure in the world, somehow it sort of worked out that benzos are a "you can probably eat a bottle and not die" class of medication, despite their dramatically potent effects on consciousness. Now, this was like the 1950s-60s, it was more an organic development of "huh, yeah, they're not coming back dead from these so we can keep handing them out without getting arrested," but that's how it is.

Just another life pro tip.. benzo withdrawal, try not to replace them with alcohol. It's everywhere, it has similar effect, but the thing is, when you like benzos you're probably going to like booze for a while and that's just a lot of regular drunk shit (puking etc) to put up with, with all the alcohol effects that make benzos the "safer" option compared to wet brain and the other kinds of liver problems.

Also NAFLD is probably a bummer, sorry, but as far as annoying hopeful things if there's a way to improve liver function it's possible some of the anxiety is also a metabolic effect of the condition. What I keep getting spammed about is some form of butyrate but maybe not a particularly psychoactive one like GHB. (Probably way more specific than just butyrate, but searching NAFLD butyrate will probably get you to the exact specific chemical they're investigating, and don't know that it doesn't have any psychoactive effects as a bonus, just ain't the focus of what I've been reading.)

The best?

ב''ה,

Joyriding on the highway analogy? It's "risky" and those risks enumerated are the common risks. Now, does everyone who joyrides head the wrong way up a ramp and take out themselves or others? No, but percentage wise, it seems sorta similar.

Lots of people who have lost people to opiates and lots of grumpy users annoyed they're still alive.

It would appear fatality is increased via 'heroic amount' (and with fentanyl and nitazenes not hard to stumble into I guess) or the usual 'detoxed and then tried the same heroic amount as usual' as took out a relative.

But with some familiarity, I have to remind y'all this isn't exactly the 'pure' anesthetic effect of, say, benzos, there's the 'high as fuck,' 'too high,' itchy histamine stuff, gut getting paralyzed so anything you ate is only coming up not down, etc. aspects of intense opiate/opioid intoxication. Good news is you'll probably be high as fuck for it especially if first-timing, but this calls into question how pleasant, like, the hospice approach of replacing total serum volume with "painkiller" actually is, even if consciousness has got to at least be lost somewhere into that, and usually with enough sedative that hopefully it was early on.

I certainly have questions and half formed opinions.

Also anyone getting handed opiates for actual pain should at least get the "take your stool softener and laxative, and if you're itchy and puking have you tried taking half as much and seeing if that still solves the pain?" talk, but it's rare for the medical establishment to have that much insight.

 

[Richard Langford]

ב''ה,

Let me just add, the thing is that benzos were developed because people were going Marilyn Monroe (and Hendrix?) from barbs left and right during that era, whatever exactly happened to those celebs.

While nothing is sure in the world, somehow it sort of worked out that benzos are a "you can probably eat a bottle and not die" class of medication, despite their dramatically potent effects on consciousness. Now, this was like the 1950s-60s, it was more an organic development of "huh, yeah, they're not coming back dead from these so we can keep handing them out without getting arrested," but that's how it is.

Just another life pro tip.. benzo withdrawal, try not to replace them with alcohol. It's everywhere, it has similar effect, but the thing is, when you like benzos you're probably going to like booze for a while and that's just a lot of regular drunk shit (puking etc) to put up with, with all the alcohol effects that make benzos the "safer" option compared to wet brain and the other kinds of liver problems.

Also NAFLD is probably a bummer, sorry, but as far as annoying hopeful things if there's a way to improve liver function it's possible some of the anxiety is also a metabolic effect of the condition. What I keep getting spammed about is some form of butyrate but maybe not a particularly psychoactive one like GHB. (Probably way more specific than just butyrate, but searching NAFLD butyrate will probably get you to the exact specific chemical they're investigating, and don't know that it doesn't have any psychoactive effects as a bonus, just ain't the focus of what I've been reading.)

ב''ה,

Joyriding on the highway analogy? It's "risky" and those risks enumerated are the common risks. Now, does everyone who joyrides head the wrong way up a ramp and take out themselves or others? No, but percentage wise, it seems sorta similar.

Lots of people who have lost people to opiates and lots of grumpy users annoyed they're still alive.

It would appear fatality is increased via 'heroic amount' (and with fentanyl and nitazenes not hard to stumble into I guess) or the usual 'detoxed and then tried the same heroic amount as usual' as took out a relative.

But with some familiarity, I have to remind y'all this isn't exactly the 'pure' anesthetic effect of, say, benzos, there's the 'high as fuck,' 'too high,' itchy histamine stuff, gut getting paralyzed so anything you ate is only coming up not down, etc. aspects of intense opiate/opioid intoxication. Good news is you'll probably be high as fuck for it especially if first-timing, but this calls into question how pleasant, like, the hospice approach of replacing total serum volume with "painkiller" actually is, even if consciousness has got to at least be lost somewhere into that, and usually with enough sedative that hopefully it was early on.

I certainly have questions and half formed opinions.

Also anyone getting handed opiates for actual pain should at least get the "take your stool softener and laxative, and if you're itchy and puking have you tried taking half as much and seeing if that still solves the pain?" talk, but it's rare for the medical establishment to have that much insight.

So to condense all that down you don't like the potential risks and side-effects of taking Opiates to ctb? How would you (with some apparent experience of Opiates) go about it then? Just take a "heroic amount" of modern Opioids? You'd stay away from Oxycontin or Morphine?

Please, please please not War and Peace in terms of a reply. Absolutely no offence intended but you can ramble a bit (which I'm very sure you're aware of).

 

[finishLana]

ב''ה,

Let me just add, the thing is that benzos were developed because people were going Marilyn Monroe (and Hendrix?) from barbs left and right during that era, whatever exactly happened to those celebs.

While nothing is sure in the world, somehow it sort of worked out that benzos are a "you can probably eat a bottle and not die" class of medication, despite their dramatically potent effects on consciousness. Now, this was like the 1950s-60s, it was more an organic development of "huh, yeah, they're not coming back dead from these so we can keep handing them out without getting arrested," but that's how it is.

Just another life pro tip.. benzo withdrawal, try not to replace them with alcohol. It's everywhere, it has similar effect, but the thing is, when you like benzos you're probably going to like booze for a while and that's just a lot of regular drunk shit (puking etc) to put up with, with all the alcohol effects that make benzos the "safer" option compared to wet brain and the other kinds of liver problems.

Also NAFLD is probably a bummer, sorry, but as far as annoying hopeful things if there's a way to improve liver function it's possible some of the anxiety is also a metabolic effect of the condition. What I keep getting spammed about is some form of butyrate but maybe not a particularly psychoactive one like GHB. (Probably way more specific than just butyrate, but searching NAFLD butyrate will probably get you to the exact specific chemical they're investigating, and don't know that it doesn't have any psychoactive effects as a bonus, just ain't the focus of what I've been reading.)

ב''ה,

Joyriding on the highway analogy? It's "risky" and those risks enumerated are the common risks. Now, does everyone who joyrides head the wrong way up a ramp and take out themselves or others? No, but percentage wise, it seems sorta similar.

Lots of people who have lost people to opiates and lots of grumpy users annoyed they're still alive.

It would appear fatality is increased via 'heroic amount' (and with fentanyl and nitazenes not hard to stumble into I guess) or the usual 'detoxed and then tried the same heroic amount as usual' as took out a relative.

But with some familiarity, I have to remind y'all this isn't exactly the 'pure' anesthetic effect of, say, benzos, there's the 'high as fuck,' 'too high,' itchy histamine stuff, gut getting paralyzed so anything you ate is only coming up not down, etc. aspects of intense opiate/opioid intoxication. Good news is you'll probably be high as fuck for it especially if first-timing, but this calls into question how pleasant, like, the hospice approach of replacing total serum volume with "painkiller" actually is, even if consciousness has got to at least be lost somewhere into that, and usually with enough sedative that hopefully it was early on.

I certainly have questions and half formed opinions.

Also anyone getting handed opiates for actual pain should at least get the "take your stool softener and laxative, and if you're itchy and puking have you tried taking half as much and seeing if that still solves the pain?" talk, but it's rare for the medical establishment to have that much insight.

How would you go with a nitazene and benzos? Nitazenes known to be deadly, but what roa it should be taken to be reliable and peaceful

 

[Richard Langford]

How would you go with a nitazene and benzos? Nitazenes known to be deadly, but what roa it should be taken to be reliable and peaceful

Can you actually get nitazenes?