i read an article that says you can kill yourself in a very easy way, BUT I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW IT WORKS

[SufferingInDenmark]

here is what i didn't understand from the article (and i will link the article in the end):

Pattaya City, Chonburi Province, is a city of many nationalities that people travel to visit and use as a place to live in their later years. Many of the strange and horrifying suicide methods come from foreigners.


Whether it is using a bag to cover one's head, closing the room to smoke oneself with a charcoal stove, connecting the exhaust pipe to a car with all 4 windows closed, using a knife or sharp object to harm oneself, or even putting one's head into a water tank less than 1 meter high, one can commit suicide.

For example, in the case of the death of Mr. Sten Lundholm, 62 years old, a Swedish national, in the bathroom of a room in the Jomtien Beach area, Pattaya City, in the middle of the night on July 6, 2016. An examination of the body found that he was in a squatting position, with his head stuck into a black 50-liter plastic water tank that was full of water.


With a golf bag pressed against his neck, the Pattaya City Police concluded that it was a suicide because a handwritten note was found stating that if anything happened to him (the deceased), the person who found the body should call his relatives in Sweden to let them know.

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so did he just drown himself? wtf? i don't get it

 

[locked*n*loaded]

Sounds like he drowned himself. And to do it in the way he did took a GREAT AMOUNT of determination. Not everyone has that. He basically stuck his head into a giant "bucket" of water and just held it there. I can't even imagine........

 

[SufferingInDenmark]

Sounds like he drowned himself. And to do it in the way he did took a GREAT AMOUNT of determination. Not everyone has that. He basically stuck his head into a giant "bucket" of water and just held it there. I can't even imagine........

yeah. how is that possible, omg.
and i wonder how long that took.
but it's also not the best translation, it was originally written in Thai.

it said something about a golf bag. did he tie a golf bag to his head? hmm

 

[deadbidaylight]

That's crazy asf! Dude really wanted to die I suppose. I couldn't imagine drowning myself deliberately like that…my SI would be way too high in that case.

 

[ForeverCaHa]

Maybe his age had something to do with it too? 62 isn't ancient, but I imagine it would have some impact

 

[SufferingInDenmark]

That's crazy asf! Dude really wanted to die I suppose. I couldn't imagine drowning myself deliberately like that…my SI would be way too high in that case.

i can't even imagine what it would have looked like, if let's say there had been a camera there.

like... how do you just stand there (i would imagine somewhat calmly) while you drown?

Maybe his age had something to do with it too? 62 isn't ancient, but I imagine it would have some impact

in terms of lack of SI?

 

[deadbidaylight]

i can't even imagine what it would have looked like, if let's say there had been a camera there.

like... how do you just stand there (i would imagine somewhat calmly) while you drown?

in terms of lack of SI?

Exactly! That's insane to me. I wonder if he took anything to relax him enough or possibly cause him to pass out in the bucket? I feel like that would be the only way that could be successful.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

it said something about a golf bag. did he tie a golf bag to his head? hmm

Maybe. Maybe to help him keep his head in the water. Although I don't see how that's a lot of help as they don't weigh that much.

He was 100% determined to die. Completely resolved. Like I said, not many could do it like that.

 

[Aprilwithcake]

He must of beem drunk or on something theres no way to overcome that kind of SI. Want proof? Right now hold your breath untill you pass out, you cant the body just wont let you.

 

[Intoxicated]

theres no way to overcome that kind of SI. Want proof? Right now hold your breath untill you pass out, you cant the body just wont let you.

The funny part about that so called "SI" is that the urge to breathe actually accelerates your death by forcing you to inhale water, displacing the remaining oxygen from your lungs and decreasing your buoyancy when you're submerged. You could have better conditions for attempting to get out of water if such effects didn't take place.

Also that strong urge to breathe probably won't persist for too long, regardless of whether you actually inhale water or your airways get blocked due to laryngospasm. Too much CO2 and the lack of oxygen induce narcosis, and then you no longer perceive suffocation.

 

[easypeasy]

Why not just hold your breath? It's the same amount of restraint. I suspect he took benzos and knocked himself out, too.

 

[baberty]

That's crazy asf! Dude really wanted to die I suppose. I couldn't imagine drowning myself deliberately like that…my SI would be way too high in that case.

Mine would too!

 

[IDontKnowEverything]

accelerates your death by forcing you to inhale water,

It does but from my experience, may not have counted for everyone, but this is as painful as hell.

Although there is the possibility that he may have hyperventilated a lot before this?
Hyperventilate until you feel like passing out or even better, until you are actually about to pass out, and suddenly suffocation in water can become a bunch easier.
There was another thread talking about this but it was suffocation in a bathub.
I didn't give that method any test runs and don't know how solid or not it is but, it is a convenient method for some people who want to make it look like an accident.
Or if that isn't enough, I was considering pullling off something similar to Dolores, the now deceased lead singer of the Cranberries (an amazing woman).
She had around 330mg of alcohol per 100 ml of blood at least according to the BBC report.
Intoxicated, she went to take a bath, conciousness slowly fading, and suffocated in there.
I stockpiled on so much liquor over time that her death is something I could replicate around 19 times over if not more but also I don't want to traumatize my perfectly fine sometimes kind roomates by finding my dead scarred body in the baththub we all use.
I've been trying hard to be an alright, or even a good memory to people instead of a trauma, but I also know that CTB as an act in itself will probably throw all of it away.
Makes me sad really.

 

[SufferingInDenmark]

It does but from my experience, may not have counted for everyone, but this is as painful as hell.

Although there is the possibility that he may have hyperventilated a lot before this?
Hyperventilate until you feel like passing out or even better, until you are actually about to pass out, and suddenly suffocation in water can become a bunch easier.
There was another thread talking about this but it was suffocation in a bathub.
I didn't give that method any test runs and don't know how solid or not it is but, it is a convenient method for some people who want to make it look like an accident.
Or if that isn't enough, I was considering pullling off something similar to Dolores, the now deceased lead singer of the Cranberries (an amazing woman).
She had around 330mg of alcohol per 100 ml of blood at least according to the BBC report.
Intoxicated, she went to take a bath, conciousness slowly fading, and suffocated in there.
I stockpiled on so much liquor over time that her death is something I could replicate around 19 times over if not more but also I don't want to traumatize my perfectly fine sometimes kind roomates by finding my dead scarred body in the baththub we all use.
I've been trying hard to be an alright, or even a good memory to people instead of a trauma, but I also know that CTB as an act in itself will probably throw all of it away.
Makes me sad really.

i wonder if the pain and discomfort of drowning would potentially wake someone up after they passed out.
imagine someone who's passed out drunk...
you go and give them a kick in the butt. they would wake up from that, right?
i guess it depends just how much you drank

 

[maniac116]

It sounds to me like he may have occluded his airway with the golf bag pressed against his neck til he passed out, his head fell into the water...
And the party was over?

 

[SufferingInDenmark]

It sounds to me like he may have occluded his airway with the golf bag pressed against his neck til he passed out, his head fell into the water...
And the party was over?

i just wonder what that golf bag looked like, to where he could use it for that purpose. the strap on it maybe?

 

[Intoxicated]

It does but from my experience, may not have counted for everyone

Laryngospasm occurs only in minority of drowning victims. For majority of people, water enters the lungs right away.

but this is as painful as hell.

Do we talk about drowning in a pool of water or a cistern filled with formic acid, LMAO?

Although there is the possibility that he may have hyperventilated a lot before this?
Hyperventilate until you feel like passing out or even better, until you are actually about to pass out, and suddenly suffocation in water can become a bunch easier.

I don't get the idea. Hyperventilation temporarily decreases CO2 in the blood, causing transient constriction of cerebral blood vessels, that may reduce blood flow to the brain and alter consciousness. After hyperventilation is stopped, these effects last only a few seconds till CO2 level goes back to normal (since cells continue to produce CO2). So you probably won't accomplish much with hyperventilation alone.

An idea that really has good chances to work well is described here

Gas asphyxiation and drowning

Hey guys, I have a question about a CTB method that I hope someone could answer. I can get my hands on diflouroethane quite easily in the form of air duster. This rapidly replaces oxygen in the blood and causes unconsciousness. So the plan is as follows: book a hotel room with a tub. Fill the...

sanctioned-suicide.net

but I think that air dusters would not be the best choice in terms of comfort. I'd recommend to check availability of asphyxiants in the following order (from most preferable to least preferable

• nitrous oxide (food-grade is commonly most accessible),
• nitrogen or noble gases,
• R-134a (refrigerant),
• air dusters (with HFCs or propane-butane).

 

[IDontKnowEverything]

Do we talk about drowning in a pool of water or a cistern filled with formic acid, LMAO?

Fair enough, but my defense is that it was saltwater, and definitely not the clean type. Personally that experience is really not one I have enough willpower to repeat.
Also my lungs were already practically unusable and constantly hurting even way before I chose to smoke whatever I had left of them away.
My experience shouldn't be used as a universal reference point .

I don't get the idea. Hyperventilation temporarily decreases CO2 in the blood, causing transient constriction of cerebral blood vessels, that may reduce blood flow to the brain and alter consciousness. After hyperventilation is stopped, these effects last only a few seconds till CO2 level goes back to normal (since cells continue to produce CO2). So you probably won't accomplish much with hyperventilation alone.

Thanks. That saves me the risk of the trouble of failing and being in more pain again hahaha.
So like, the post that originally talked about this stated that the hyperventilating should be kept up for like minutes and minutes straight so it was maybe the increased amount that lead to the theory.
Someone said that they did manage to make themselves faint like that before and I at some point felt like I was on the right track with it before during an attack just not actually enough to truly faint but still, just because it isn't for me doesn't mean it's fully impossible.
I do think that the post was mostly experimental but again, may work for someone.
Problem is that sciences and biology really aren't my thing so actually I do appreciate you writing it down like that.
Also I've heard the air duster thing before but was too distraught to commit to the research.
Bookmarked.
Same for the asphyxiants. Maybe.
Ciaos mate.

i wonder if the pain and discomfort of drowning would potentially wake someone up after they passed out.

Perhaps... Yeah, I don't know for sure no...

you go and give them a kick in the butt. they would wake up from that, right?

Hahaha. Yeah, sometimes.
Depends how much said person's had and how long it's been.
If the person was laughing and dancing around on a grassy field then it'd be easier that some who is passed out drunk without having taken a single step away from their seat from start to finish.
But often what you said plus taking (often mostly carrying) them for a walk, get that circulation going, most of the time should be able to do the trick.
If worse comes to worse then you force them to vomit and you call the ambulance so they can empty the rest of said person's stomach.

i guess it depends just how much you drank

I think that that's pretty much what it comes down to as well.
Some people don't budge no matter what you do to them if they've had too much, but also that and the pain of drowning is another thing entirely.
And idk if the body would attempt to jolt you awake with it's "are you alive" adrenaline rush resets either.. But drink enough and maybe not even that would be enough.
Oh, probs see if you can get something handy that can soothe the stomach. Very unlikely to actually help but sometimes it's difficult to keep things in. No fluffy foods also, only dense.
(All of that said, I am a stranger on the internet and always check your info especially if you want to do something with it.)

 

[Higurashi415]

He used the bag to strangle himself and pass out while his head was near the water tank. It's simple in theory, but pretty hard in practice, especially because as far as I know you'll have some pretty strong muscle spasms after passing out which could definitely flip the water tank. Doing it in a pool would be much easier, and many have died doing this.

 

[SufferingInDenmark]

He used the bag to strangle himself and pass out while his head was near the water tank. It's simple in theory, but pretty hard in practice, especially because as far as I know you'll have some pretty strong muscle spasms after passing out which could definitely flip the water tank. Doing it in a pool would be much easier, and many have died doing this.

so he just put the bag over his head, made it air tight until he passed out?
how long do you think that would take?

He used the bag to strangle himself and pass out while his head was near the water tank. It's simple in theory, but pretty hard in practice, especially because as far as I know you'll have some pretty strong muscle spasms after passing out which could definitely flip the water tank. Doing it in a pool would be much easier, and many have died doing this.

oh you mean the STRAPS on the bag, right? around his neck like a rope?

 

[ExitPark]

Laryngospasm occurs only in minority of drowning victims. For majority of people, water enters the lungs right away.

Do we talk about drowning in a pool of water or a cistern filled with formic acid, LMAO?

I don't get the idea. Hyperventilation temporarily decreases CO2 in the blood, causing transient constriction of cerebral blood vessels, that may reduce blood flow to the brain and alter consciousness. After hyperventilation is stopped, these effects last only a few seconds till CO2 level goes back to normal (since cells continue to produce CO2). So you probably won't accomplish much with hyperventilation alone.

An idea that really has good chances to work well is described here

Gas asphyxiation and drowning

Hey guys, I have a question about a CTB method that I hope someone could answer. I can get my hands on diflouroethane quite easily in the form of air duster. This rapidly replaces oxygen in the blood and causes unconsciousness. So the plan is as follows: book a hotel room with a tub. Fill the...

sanctioned-suicide.net

but I think that air dusters would not be the best choice in terms of comfort. I'd recommend to check availability of asphyxiants in the following order (from most preferable to least preferable

• nitrous oxide (food-grade is commonly most accessible),
• nitrogen or noble gases,
• R-134a (refrigerant),
• air dusters (with HFCs or propane-butane).

Hey, why do you think propane-butane is the least preferable?

 

[Higurashi415]

oh you mean the STRAPS on the bag, right? around his neck like a rope?

You know how some bags have some kind of mechanism that can tighten the opening? Kind of like a trash bag. That's what I was thinking, but apparently golf bags aren't like that

 

[Intoxicated]

Hey, why do you think propane-butane is the least preferable?

It's commonly mixed with some odorant which can make the mixture unpleasant to inhale.

 

[ExitPark]

It's commonly mixed with some odorant which can make the mixture unpleasant to inhale.

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