Venting I think that pro lifers cause suicides

[ijustwishtodie]

Pro lifers like to accuse this site for being pro suicide but, if anything, I think that they're actually the ones who are the bigger contributors to suicides than this site is. I'm not saying this as a way to use their own words against them but rather because I think it has some merit to it.

Because of how euthanasia is illegal, some suicidal people like myself feel more compelled to kill themselves as early as possible because they have no guarantee that they won't suffer excruciating pain in the future that would cause them to be unable to attempt suicide. There's no safety net to rely on if things get extremely bad which causes some people like myself to panic immensely and thus want to achieve death as soon as possible.

If euthanasia was legalised, we wouldn't have to panic over our futures as we know we have a reliable way to escape existence if things do get too bad. I believe that existence is like a prison but I also believe that "a prison becomes a home when you have the key" and, in this case, the key for some people is euthanasia. If euthanasia was legalised, a lot of suicidal people can deal with life and their struggles in the moment instead of worrying immensely about what the future holds. This makes life much more manageable for some people. I've even seen the most militant of efilists who argue that it's better to leave existence as quickly as possible say that they would continue to live for another week had euthanasia been legalised for them.

Pro lifers fail to acknowledge this because the average pro lifer thinks that they're doing the right thing whilst the government just wants wage slaves. Regardless of whether the motive for suicide preventionists is pure or whatever, it doesn't change the fact that people are suffering because of their anti suicide mindset. They have a lot of blood on their hands.

I'm only writing about this to vent, not to change anybody's mindset as I know that it's futile to try and convince pro lifers of anything due to how strong they are in their beliefs

 

[alienfreak]

I definitely agree. The fear of falling into a situation where I am forced to stay alive against my will is in my mind often.

Additionally, I think it is a big factor that their actions isolate suicidal people by censoring us and trying to prevent us from talking to each other as we do in this community. The medical system's brutish approach to hospitalization even prevents us from being able to talk to our doctors honestly. It is so very stupid, twisted and absurd. I don't think they can comprehend our point of view in the slightest. They oppress and harm the very people they seem to think they are helping.

I think there are deeper, darker roots to it all. These enemies of ours have an internal struggle themselves in which they are afraid to even think about suicide as a possibility. People struggle to accept that death is inevitable, they are often plagued by irrational religious beliefs, and struggle with the grief caused by those that they have lost. Perhaps it can become some sort of misguided, ideological crusade against death itself.

 

[Qimaster]

I'm only writing about this to vent, not to change anybody's mindset as I know that it's futile to try and convince pro lifers of anything due to how strong they are in their beliefs

I agree a 100% with everything you said! And it always makes me f***ing mad that these people are not capable of seeing or thinking outside the box they've closed themselves in. The solution to their problem is exactly the thing they are opposing. And they would see it if they actually cared for people, their problems and their lives. Instead all majority of the people (pro-lifers) care about is "looking righteous" to society.

 

[derpyderpins]

Making people feel trapped is a sure-fire way to make them more likely to ctb and that's what mental health norms do.

I always say I'd be dead if the original sanctioned suicide didn't calm me down by letting me know it was my choice to make

 

[L'absent]

I don't really agree. The pro-life culture is not limited to preventing euthanasia, that is only a small part of their work. The pro-life culture is installed in everyone's mind thanks to continuous/constant brainwashing and is clearly seen in this forum too. Afraid of what will be after death? Fear of hell? Terror of pain? Guilt? Feeling of inadequacy in life? Feeling unworthy and undeserving towards this splendid gift that is life, because there are those who struggle and are worse off? So we must also be ashamed according to the pro-lifers, that is, we must be ashamed. And I could go on forever. I wouldn't make a split between the government and pro-life, they are all pro-life. Pro-lifers are the enemy and must be fought, not understood. Above all out of respect for all those brothers who committed suicide and died in horrible conditions: jumping from buildings, crushed under trains or left disabled. Pro-lifers are not in good faith, they are just psychopathic monsters.

Therefore they are not responsible for the increase in suicide. Perhaps they are responsible for the suicidal ideation which remains so. Most people in the world think about suicide, but never practice it and live in an existential checkmate. The extreme gesture (as they call it) does not materialize. And it does not materialize due to the fears that are planted in our heads every day, due to the increasingly less available means. What we call survival instinct, but which did not exist in a less pro-life culture such as the Japanese samurai one. Let us remember that the Judeo-Christian pro-life culture sees pain and suffering as a down payment on heaven. So keep suffering, the reward will come in the end. The house of God!

 

[ijustwishtodie]

I don't really agree. The pro-life culture is not limited to preventing euthanasia, that is only a small part of their work. The pro-life culture is installed in everyone's mind thanks to continuous/constant brainwashing and is clearly seen in this forum too. Afraid of what will be after death? Fear of hell? Terror of pain? Guilt? Feeling of inadequacy in life? Feeling unworthy and undeserving towards this splendid gift that is life, because there are those who struggle and are worse off? So we must also be ashamed according to the pro-lifers, that is, we must be ashamed. And I could go on forever. I wouldn't make a split between the government and pro-life, they are all pro-life. Pro-lifers are the enemy and must be fought, not understood. Above all out of respect for all those brothers who committed suicide and died in horrible conditions: jumping from buildings, crushed under trains or left disabled. Pro-lifers are not in good faith, they are just psychopathic monsters.

Therefore they are not responsible for the increase in suicide. Perhaps they are responsible for the suicidal ideation which remains so. Most people in the world think about suicide, but never practice it and live in an existential checkmate. The extreme gesture (as they call it) does not materialize. And it does not materialize due to the fears that are planted in our heads every day, due to the increasingly less available means. What we call survival instinct, but which did not exist in a less pro-life culture such as the Japanese samurai one. Let us remember that the Judeo-Christian pro-life culture sees pain and suffering as a down payment on heaven. So keep suffering, the reward will come in the end. The house of God!

Yes, pro lifers preventing euthanasia isn't the only thing that they do but, imo, it's the major thing that they do when it comes to making sure that life becomes an obligation rather than a choice. Life could be a choice if the government didn't restrict peaceful methods like nembutal or the sacro pod but, no, these methods are heavily restricted. I do agree that the pro life culture is instilled within everybody's minds especially within this forum too which is a reason as to why I can't relate to most people here. Pro lifers have taught everybody that life is intrinsically good and that not being able to fit in with society is a tragedy which is a reason as to why many people here hate themselves. I've also seen people here say "I deserve death" in a negative way which again reeks of pro life indoctrination to me as I philosophically believe that death isn't bad for the one who dies. It's actually relieving to see another forum member acknowledge this. Also, yeah, I do believe that the government and pro lifers are basically the same as one supports the other. I also do think that pro lifers are psychopathic monsters and that they aren't innocent due to the fact that if somebody here were to tell them about their excruciating and immense suffering, the pro lifer would say "that's just life" and move on with their day. That's psychopathy to me. May those who died horrifically rest in peace

I disagree with the notion that many people think about suicide. They don't. Most people seem to have a massive love and addiction for life to where they would choose life even if they were going through the worst pains imaginable. Additionally, the fact that a lot of non suicidal people have this mindset of "if somebody really wants to die, they will find a way to die otherwise they want to live" really shows how ignorant they are when it comes to suicide.

I still don't understand as to why you disagree with me though. I agreed with everything that you wrote here but I can't see the disagreement.

 

[-Link-]

I do believe making MAID accessible to the mentally ill would actually improve outcomes.

Personally, I was in a better state of mind while my country (Canada) was inching its way towards making it accessible. Not because I "want it right now" or any time soon, but because it gave me peace of mind knowing that it would soon be an option. But then they abruptly backtracked, putting it off at least another 10-15 years (barring a legal challenge which could make it happen somewhat sooner).

Now I no longer have that peace of mind. Just thinking about this right now, I can feel waves of anxiety and stress pulsing through my body, and this wouldn't be happening if our government had just stayed the course.

Would I be cured? No.

Would I be in a better state of mind relative to what I am now, even if only minimally? Absolutely.

 

[L'absent]

Yes, pro lifers preventing euthanasia isn't the only thing that they do but, imo, it's the major thing that they do when it comes to making sure that life becomes an obligation rather than a choice. Life could be a choice if the government didn't restrict peaceful methods like nembutal or the sacro pod but, no, these methods are heavily restricted. I do agree that the pro life culture is instilled within everybody's minds especially within this forum too which is a reason as to why I can't relate to most people here. Pro lifers have taught everybody that life is intrinsically good and that not being able to fit in with society is a tragedy which is a reason as to why many people here hate themselves. I've also seen people here say "I deserve death" in a negative way which again reeks of pro life indoctrination to me as I philosophically believe that death isn't bad for the one who dies. It's actually relieving to see another forum member acknowledge this. Also, yeah, I do believe that the government and pro lifers are basically the same as one supports the other. I also do think that pro lifers are psychopathic monsters and that they aren't innocent due to the fact that if somebody here were to tell them about their excruciating and immense suffering, the pro lifer would say "that's just life" and move on with their day. That's psychopathy to me. May those who died horrifically rest in peace

I disagree with the notion that many people think about suicide. They don't. Most people seem to have a massive love and addiction for life to where they would choose life even if they were going through the worst pains imaginable. Additionally, the fact that a lot of non suicidal people have this mindset of "if somebody really wants to die, they will find a way to die otherwise they want to live" really shows how ignorant they are when it comes to suicide.

I still don't understand as to why you disagree with me though. I agreed with everything that you wrote here but I can't see the disagreement.

I meant to say that I don't agree with placing limited responsibility on pro-lifers. But then you added something else and I think both you and I still forgot a lot of their responsibilities. Their impact on human suffering is enormous. So I agree, but it's much worse than what we all wrote. Pro-lifers are just sadistic criminals.

 

[ijustwishtodie]

I meant to say that I don't agree with placing limited responsibility on pro-lifers. But then you added something else and I think both you and I still forgot a lot of their responsibilities. Their impact on human suffering is enormous. So I agree, but it's much worse than what we all wrote. Pro-lifers are just sadistic criminals.

It really is much worse than what we both wrote. It's surprisingly so relieving to see somebody else here acknowledge pro lifers for what they are. I see people here defend them talking about how they're acting for a noble cause or whatever but, at the end of the day, they're inflicting so much suffering

 

[Praestat_Mori]

Whenever I'm in a bad mental state and circumstances make me suicidal and I just mention sth that it's unbearable I receive answer like "You have no other option but to go on" "it's not that bad, you have enough food" "Just go one and give a fuck about what happened" and other platitudes. Honestly, if I had poison at hand in such moments (like a Cyanide Capsule) I would just swallow it!!!

That's how pro-lifers are indirectly killing people.

 

[lawlietsph]

I agree. Plus pro lifers are the ones who throw around this fake positivity shit which actually makes a suicidal person to feel so so so so so so much worse. I can't tell you how many facepalm moments I have on a daily basis when I hear these "Life is a gift and suicide is just a permanent solution to a temporary problem" bullshit. No. You are part of the problem if you don't see how much a mentally ill person can suffer and sometimes there's absolutely nothing can be done to make them feel better. We don't really hold on to animals life for example, we have no problem slaughtering them or euthanize them, so I don't understand this. I really don't.

 

[ijustwishtodie]

Whenever I'm in a bad mental state and circumstances make me suicidal and I just mention sth that it's unbearable I receive answer like "You have no other option but to go on" "it's not that bad, you have enough food" "Just go one and give a fuck about what happened" and other platitudes. Honestly, if I had poison at hand in such moments (like a Cyanide Capsule) I would just swallow it!!!

That's how pro-lifers are indirectly killing people.

Yeah, exactly, these platitudes aren't helpful at all and they're so invalidating. It'd be nicer if they at least put some thought into what our situations are like and at least tried to step in our shoes and see what it's like but, no, they just repeat common and popular platitudes. It's like they don't even care at all. If they were more validating, perhaps less people would kill themselves. After all, some people here have claimed that this site helped them to be less suicidal since it's the only place that validates their feelings and makes them feel understood. I'm sorry for the suffering that you're going through.

I agree. Plus pro lifers are the ones who throw around this fake positivity shit which actually makes a suicidal person to feel so so so so so so much worse. I can't tell you how many facepalm moments I have on a daily basis when I hear these "Life is a gift and suicide is just a permanent solution to a temporary problem" bullshit. No. You are part of the problem if you don't see how much a mentally ill person can suffer and sometimes there's absolutely nothing can be done to make them feel better. We don't really hold on to animals life for example, we have no problem slaughtering them or euthanize them, so I don't understand this. I really don't.

Yes, exactly, my mum talks about how "life is a gift" and how "happiness is a choice" which just makes me feel so much worse because, no, these things aren't true for everybody. As you rightfully pointed out, another issue that pro lifers have is that they fail to acknowledge that not all lives have a solution and some people will unfortunately experience constant misery that has no cure or is extremely difficult to obtain in this world. It's so bizarre to me at how people are okay with euthanising animals that can't consent but simultaneously refuse to euthanise humans that do give consent. The right to die should be a thing because the right to live just can't exist without the right to die. If the latter doesn't exist, life becomes an obligation rather than a choice and rights aren't meant to be obligations

 

[yaa]

Pro lifers like to accuse this site for being pro suicide but, if anything, I think that they're actually the ones who are the bigger contributors to suicides than this site is. I'm not saying this as a way to use their own words against them but rather because I think it has some merit to it.

Because of how euthanasia is illegal, some suicidal people like myself feel more compelled to kill themselves as early as possible because they have no guarantee that they won't suffer excruciating pain in the future that would cause them to be unable to attempt suicide. There's no safety net to rely on if things get extremely bad which causes some people like myself to panic immensely and thus want to achieve death as soon as possible.

If euthanasia was legalised, we wouldn't have to panic over our futures as we know we have a reliable way to escape existence if things do get too bad. I believe that existence is like a prison but I also believe that "a prison becomes a home when you have the key" and, in this case, the key for some people is euthanasia. If euthanasia was legalised, a lot of suicidal people can deal with life and their struggles in the moment instead of worrying immensely about what the future holds. This makes life much more manageable for some people. I've even seen the most militant of efilists who argue that it's better to leave existence as quickly as possible say that they would continue to live for another week had euthanasia been legalised for them.

Pro lifers fail to acknowledge this because the average pro lifer thinks that they're doing the right thing whilst the government just wants wage slaves. Regardless of whether the motive for suicide preventionists is pure or whatever, it doesn't change the fact that people are suffering because of their anti suicide mindset. They have a lot of blood on their hands.

I'm only writing about this to vent, not to change anybody's mindset as I know that it's futile to try and convince pro lifers of anything due to how strong they are in their beliefs

Yes they do, an they hurting not only themselves but so many innocent others in the way being so glib to others suffering and tryna control folk for making decisions for themselves. It's our life we've been forcefully given and damn we can't even have a say in what we wanna do to ourselves in our own imposed life.

 

[yaa]

Yeah, exactly, these platitudes aren't helpful at all and they're so invalidating. It'd be nicer if they at least put some thought into what our situations are like and at least tried to step in our shoes and see what it's like but, no, they just repeat common and popular platitudes. It's like they don't even care at all. If they were more validating, perhaps less people would kill themselves. After all, some people here have claimed that this site helped them to be less suicidal since it's the only place that validates their feelings and makes them feel understood. I'm sorry for the suffering that you're going through.

Yes, exactly, my mum talks about how "life is a gift" and how "happiness is a choice" which just makes me feel so much worse because, no, these things aren't true for everybody. As you rightfully pointed out, another issue that pro lifers have is that they fail to acknowledge that not all lives have a solution and some people will unfortunately experience constant misery that has no cure or is extremely difficult to obtain in this world. It's so bizarre to me at how people are okay with euthanising animals that can't consent but simultaneously refuse to euthanise humans that do give consent. The right to die should be a thing because the right to live just can't exist without the right to die. If the latter doesn't exist, life becomes an obligation rather than a choice and rights aren't meant to be obligations

Exactly and she's hella wrong life isn't a gift it's a damn imposition. U can refuse a gift but these MFS force you to have it and insist you take it or you're depressed or there's something wrong with you. These folk are brainwashed the fuck out

 

[moonoverthesea]

Imo, the pro-life censorship of suicide-related themes is something that makes suicidal people feel even more lonely, and consequently even more suicidal.

If you try to search for discussion about suicide on the main search engines, you'll be met with endless (mostly AI-generated) articles on how life is beautiful and it's worth it and you should talk to other people about it; yet, no mainstream spaces actually allow you to talk about it, because the pro-life stance is that talking about it equals encouraging it. Suicide hotlines could be nice in theory, but in practice it's really difficult to have them answer you, your call time is very limited (hence, it's not a sustainable way to feel less alone in your feeling) and, most importantly, you know that if you happen to be *too* sincere on how you are feeling you risk being involountarily admitted to a psych yard, which isn't exactly a helpful outcome if all you really needed was to vent and to feel less alone.

 

[needthebus]

Pro lifers like to accuse this site for being pro suicide but, if anything, I think that they're actually the ones who are the bigger contributors to suicides than this site is. I'm not saying this as a way to use their own words against them but rather because I think it has some merit to it.

Because of how euthanasia is illegal, some suicidal people like myself feel more compelled to kill themselves as early as possible because they have no guarantee that they won't suffer excruciating pain in the future that would cause them to be unable to attempt suicide. There's no safety net to rely on if things get extremely bad which causes some people like myself to panic immensely and thus want to achieve death as soon as possible.

If euthanasia was legalised, we wouldn't have to panic over our futures as we know we have a reliable way to escape existence if things do get too bad. I believe that existence is like a prison but I also believe that "a prison becomes a home when you have the key" and, in this case, the key for some people is euthanasia. If euthanasia was legalised, a lot of suicidal people can deal with life and their struggles in the moment instead of worrying immensely about what the future holds. This makes life much more manageable for some people. I've even seen the most militant of efilists who argue that it's better to leave existence as quickly as possible say that they would continue to live for another week had euthanasia been legalised for them.

Pro lifers fail to acknowledge this because the average pro lifer thinks that they're doing the right thing whilst the government just wants wage slaves. Regardless of whether the motive for suicide preventionists is pure or whatever, it doesn't change the fact that people are suffering because of their anti suicide mindset. They have a lot of blood on their hands.

I'm only writing about this to vent, not to change anybody's mindset as I know that it's futile to try and convince pro lifers of anything due to how strong they are in their beliefs

it's true. if i knew i could commit suicide at any time, i wouldn't be so terrified of the mental health industry and would actively seek treatment. But their religious views of suicide and government "we own the slaves" view of suicide enmeshed in their ethics rules means ill ctb way before getting entangled in their tentacles, absent their forcing themselves on me without consent which will result in my trying to placate them enough to get away. fuck all of those assholes.