I will get help. How much can I mention about my suicidal thoughts?

[CoolGuy9]

My plan at the moment is that I will get help and it will either cure me and I'll live a happy live or it won't help and I'll just ctb as my life isn't worth living as it is. I probably can't mention this, so I won't, but is there anything else you I can't say other than current plans to ctb?

Also should I mention that I tried to kill myself, because of a girl I never met? It's fucking retarded I know, but she is still a big indirect reason why I know what it's like to fail at hanging yourself.

 

[JoeFailure]

One way I've done it to try to get the help needed is to say "I won't kill myself because I'm too scared but I pray everyday that I'm going to die somehow". That way they can see how serious it is without having to take any kind of action against you.

The other thing is there's likely no overnight cure but there are a lot of people who combine that help with taking the action needed to turn things around or at least make things better and more manageable in the short term and then go on to thrive. I just don't want you to think it didn't work if something doesn't happen right away. The fact that you want to get help shows you still have hope so it's good that you're not rushing into CTB. I think you should truly be 100% sure, and you almost have to be for most methods to get through the survival instinct anyway.

 

[intheweeds]

If they believe you're a threat to yourself and/or others they can intervene. It's a liability issue.

If you, for example, say "I'm going to kill myself" and then do it they could be held liable if they didn't do anything to prevent it. Opening the door for any potential lawsuits.

What I normally do when I talk to my psychiatrist is hint at it. Like saying "I want to die, but wouldn't do it because of family". That way you can share that you're suicidal, but also mentioning that you have no plans to do anything short term.

It all comes down to how you word things. It's annoying, but you can do something like that so you can still talk about it.

That's how it works in the US. Other countries may have different policies, idk.

 

[LadyAbandon]

In the US I've been surprised recently with how much you can say before they need to directly intervene. Very different than years ago. If you are underage, of course, that makes a difference, but as long as you're an adult you can basically say yes I've been thinking about suicide, yes I have a plan and a date set, and even then you will probably walk away unhindered. You want to avoid saying that you intend to do it in the immediate future (like next few days or less) and have everything you need. The more lethal and accessible means you report planning to use, the more concerned they will be. If you say you are still making preparations or the date is at least a few days off, and don't show signs of risk of impulsive attempts right away, they generally don't have enough for an involuntary hold.

One thing to watch out for—If you have a gun, be careful about divulging that, because in some states they can confiscate it until you are cleared by a court to no longer be a danger to yourself. Definitely a concern to me.

If you really want help and want to give it your best shot, be as honest as you can. Within the last month, I not only admitted previous attempts, I told them about an attempt the week before and told them I was still thinking about it all the time and ways I had considered doing it (again—I did not mention guns). They asked about who I had to stay with me/sources of support and talked about who to call in a crisis. I always feel like why not agree to whatever safety plan they request, you don't have to actually follow it when the time comes, after all. I don't know if I really think they can help me but I promised my husband I would try everything first.

Some providers have a higher comfort level than others with frank discussion of suicidal intent, and some have a lower threshold for intervention than others, so feel them out as you go. If you are a minor, all bets are off, keep your mouth shut unless you want your parents notified and advised to admit you somewhere.

Good luck!

 

[JJ-NOHOPE]

I live in the US and I was recently put in a psych ward against my will.

Be very careful what you say. Don't talk too much about suicide ideation or plans.

I would wait until I knew the person much better until I started talking in detail about suicide.

Just be careful! Being put in a psych ward is like priso except you don't have any legal rights.

 

[Bedlamb]

I don't know if this applies to you, but if you are in the US you can't mention self harming either. I have personally been committed after making that mistake. Best of luck to you

 

[Mbound]

My psychiatrist told me he only has to get me committed if I say I have a plan and am going to carry it out like, tonight. However him and his staff often talk people out of going to the psych ward because they think it often just makes it worse so maybe he's less "strict" with the rules than a lot of people. I once had a doctor—not a psychiatrist a medical doctor—call my therapist and another doctor of mine because I was crying and said I "didn't want to do this anymore." (This being living with the horrible chronic pain id been in for 7 years). Never made any statements about suicide, and the only reason I said that was because he did a procedure that diagnosed a horrible condition and left me in a ton of pain and basically said I'd be miserable the rest of my life.....ok now I'm getting way off track here lol the point is different doctors see liability differently so I would always recommend being extremely cautious.

LadyAbandon seems to really know what they're talking about. If you're gonna mention suicidal ideation you just need to give qualifiers "I would be too scared, my family, etc" to make it clear you're not like an imminent threat to yourself.

 

[Empty Smile]

When I was sanctioned last year, I told them what they wanted to hear. Yes, I'm feeling better, yes, the thoughts of suicide has passed, I'm ready to go home to my family, blah blah blah...

It's all about telling them what they want to hear. But one wrong slip of your wording and you might look at a few more weeks in prison...... I mean the hospital.

 

[NOT]

If you get into details of how you intend to carry out your suicide, you will get locked up.

 

[Mircea]

I'd say it depends on the laws of the place you live in. In the neo-authoritarian society we find ourselves in, you can get arrested even for wanting to end your life... after all, the state has life and death rights over its property (A.K.A. citizens)

I'd be careful with mentioning it though. I figure it's safer to talk about it if you say "I wanted to end my life but don't any longer".

 

[RedSalvation15]

When I was sanctioned last year, I told them what they wanted to hear. Yes, I'm feeling better, yes, the thoughts of suicide has passed, I'm ready to go home to my family, blah blah blah...

It's all about telling them what they want to hear. But one wrong slip of your wording and you might look at a few more weeks in prison...... I mean the hospital.

Could have been me that has written that.

 

[Sweetrelease]

Beware the 72 hour hold

 

[Jolene40]

Does this sort of shit happen in the u k? I've said many a thing such as I can't do this anymore, crying constantly etc - because of my horrific health situation.

 

[NOT]

In my country its 3 weeks hold.

I was there 4 times.
2 times for suicide attempts.
1 time for extrapyramidal syndrome.
1 time my parents sent cops at my home for losing my mind. I am 35

I am gonna go sleeping with the fishes before I come back to that hell hole.

 

[Onomotopoeia]

In the US I've been surprised recently with how much you can say before they need to directly intervene. Very different than years ago. If you are underage, of course, that makes a difference, but as long as you're an adult you can basically say yes I've been thinking about suicide, yes I have a plan and a date set, and even then you will probably walk away unhindered. You want to avoid saying that you intend to do it in the immediate future (like next few days or less) and have everything you need. The more lethal and accessible means you report planning to use, the more concerned they will be. If you say you are still making preparations or the date is at least a few days off, and don't show signs of risk of impulsive attempts right away, they generally don't have enough for an involuntary hold.

One thing to watch out for—If you have a gun, be careful about divulging that, because in some states they can confiscate it until you are cleared by a court to no longer be a danger to yourself. Definitely a concern to me.

If you really want help and want to give it your best shot, be as honest as you can. Within the last month, I not only admitted previous attempts, I told them about an attempt the week before and told them I was still thinking about it all the time and ways I had considered doing it (again—I did not mention guns). They asked about who I had to stay with me/sources of support and talked about who to call in a crisis. I always feel like why not agree to whatever safety plan they request, you don't have to actually follow it when the time comes, after all. I don't know if I really think they can help me but I promised my husband I would try everything first.

Some providers have a higher comfort level than others with frank discussion of suicidal intent, and some have a lower threshold for intervention than others, so feel them out as you go. If you are a minor, all bets are off, keep your mouth shut unless you want your parents notified and advised to admit you somewhere.

Good luck!

Mostly good advice but I offer an additional warning to the OP

I am also in the US and was amazed at how easily i was involuntarily committed as an adult. I was trying to get into an intensive treatment program so was being more honest than usual but was still careful with my wording. I said I was suicidal but had no immediate plans or access I did mention that I would probably use Nembutal (probably my mistake) I followed it with saying I do not have or know where to get it...but that was basically it and i got commited at a useless hospital that was not even the one i was trying to get into.

So yea a lot is left to interpretation and who you are speaking to. If you ask me best to say you are feeling suicidal but have no immediate plans and instead are seeking treatment..

Dont give them a plan at all

I feel suicidal sometimes. is about all i would ever give anyone again so be careful OP

There is very little to no benefit of offering more than that. Unless you think a psych hold will actually do you some good. Best of luck

 

[Princessangel]

In the US I've been surprised recently with how much you can say before they need to directly intervene. Very different than years ago. If you are underage, of course, that makes a difference, but as long as you're an adult you can basically say yes I've been thinking about suicide, yes I have a plan and a date set, and even then you will probably walk away unhindered. You want to avoid saying that you intend to do it in the immediate future (like next few days or less) and have everything you need. The more lethal and accessible means you report planning to use, the more concerned they will be. If you say you are still making preparations or the date is at least a few days off, and don't show signs of risk of impulsive attempts right away, they generally don't have enough for an involuntary hold.

One thing to watch out for—If you have a gun, be careful about divulging that, because in some states they can confiscate it until you are cleared by a court to no longer be a danger to yourself. Definitely a concern to me.

If you really want help and want to give it your best shot, be as honest as you can. Within the last month, I not only admitted previous attempts, I told them about an attempt the week before and told them I was still thinking about it all the time and ways I had considered doing it (again—I did not mention guns). They asked about who I had to stay with me/sources of support and talked about who to call in a crisis. I always feel like why not agree to whatever safety plan they request, you don't have to actually follow it when the time comes, after all. I don't know if I really think they can help me but I promised my husband I would try everything first.

Some providers have a higher comfort level than others with frank discussion of suicidal intent, and some have a lower threshold for intervention than others, so feel them out as you go. If you are a minor, all bets are off, keep your mouth shut unless you want your parents notified and advised to admit you somewhere.

Good luck!

It's the same in the UK I was so surprised how much I could mention that I want to ctb, and I have plans, I know how I'll do it's where just not when and there be like sure we'll see you next week. The other week I told them I was going to do it but my friend wouldn't leave me alone and there like your fine will see you next week

 

[Lush_nova]

It's the same in the UK I was so surprised how much I could mention that I want to ctb, and I have plans, I know how I'll do it's where just not when and there be like sure we'll see you next week. The other week I told them I was going to do it but my friend wouldn't leave me alone and there like your fine will see you next week

The uk is crap. They just don't seem to care some ways it's a good thing other times well who knows

 

[PerAsperaAdAstra]

If you're in the US, I'd be very careful if I were you. You can tell your psychiatrist/therapist that you sometimes think about suicide, or that you wish you were dead/had never been born, but you cannot tell them you have a plan in motion/a set date.

I would also avoid talking about this forum, simply because of the information available on it. It might be cause enough for them to have you hospitalised against your will. It's fine to say you talk about depression/suicidal thoughts with some communities online, but outright mentioning you're on a forum that sanctions suicide... Bad idea.

 

[ManWithNoName]

One thing to watch out for—If you have a gun, be careful about divulging that, because in some states they can confiscate it until you are cleared by a court to no longer be a danger to yourself. Definitely a concern to me.

Very good point. But the confiscating of one's gun(s) for the reason you mentioned has more to do with the state's underhanded dystopian plan to disarm its citizens - any excuse for any situation to take away guns.

That, plus it is certainly possible that the manner of which they will confiscate one's guns could be very gestapo-like with a SWAT team kicking in your doors and windows, completely gutting and demolishing your place, and throwing one in the looney bin for good measure.

 

[Nobodysfault]

Tell them you wish you were dead when it comes up but also add that when you wish for it you hope and wait for it to happen in a natural way, this way i talk about suicide all the time with therapists and no one ever hospitalized me or was worried i'll commit suicide.

 

[Frostypigeon]

Everyone basically covered it. Just be careful what you say and how you say it. And if you want help don't be discouraged if the first shrink doesn't click with you. Meds help but a lot of personal (emotional/ mental) work will have to be done on your part as well. From the little bit I know; depression is pretty much forever. You just find ways to deal with it better. Best of luck

 

[Princessangel]

The uk is crap. They just don't seem to care some ways it's a good thing other times well who knows

They don't care at all, I've tried to ctb twice and they've just sent me home knowing I'll still do it

 

[Lush_nova]

They don't care at all, I've tried to ctb twice and they've just sent me home knowing I'll still do it

Pretty much what happened to me last weekend. Don't know your experiences, but I've found the police much more understanding then say theNHS

 

[Princessangel]

Pretty much what happened to me last weekend. Don't know your experiences, but I've found the police much more understanding then say theNHS

Yeah the police are a lot more understanding tbh, I had one police officer who was really lovely and understanding towards me and just generally really caring, where as I've had nurses and doctors telling me I've got no reason to do it because I've been travelling and I'm just a attention seeker

 

[LadyAbandon]

Very good point. But the confiscating of one's gun(s) for the reason you mentioned has more to do with the state's underhanded dystopian plan to disarm its citizens - any excuse for any situation to take away guns.

That, plus it is certainly possible that the manner of which they will confiscate one's guns could be very gestapo-like with a SWAT team kicking in your doors and windows, completely gutting and demolishing your place, and throwing one in the looney bin for good measure.

Yes. I doubt that anyone whose guns have been confiscated in this way has ever gotten them back. How dehumanizing and humiliating. And, as you say, how the order is carried out would be at the whim of the police officer executing it. Though if they have two brain cells to rub together you'd think the likelihood of suicide by cop would occur to them, and they would try to avoid the SWAT-style entrance, but then again, you know cops.

 

[tomz323]

This is good to know, I've just started therapy and don't want to end up in a loony bin. We all seem to be more sane then most people

 

[TAW122]

I don't recommend mentioning CTB at all and definitely not about having plans, a method, nor a time and place. Mentioning any of those three things will have a high chance of you getting locked up against your will. If you do mention things death or suicide, it is imperative that you follow up and downplay any real intention of acting on it. This is very important, because all it takes is one misunderstanding and your life would be ruined very quickly.

 

[ManWithNoName]

Yes. I doubt that anyone whose guns have been confiscated in this way has ever gotten them back. How dehumanizing and humiliating. And, as you say, how the order is carried out would be at the whim of the police officer executing it. Though if they have two brain cells to rub together you'd think the likelihood of suicide by cop would occur to them, and they would try to avoid the SWAT-style entrance, but then again, you know cops.

Yes today's police are given all kinds of green lights to do whatever the fuck they want with impunity. Case in point of a Mesa AZ cop who essentially shot an innocent man execution style, later to be acquitted in court. Warning: enclosed video is vivid.

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[SomebodyBroken]

Yes today's police are given all kinds of green lights to do whatever the fuck they want with impunity. Case in point of a Mesa AZ cop who essentially shot an innocent man execution style, later to be acquitted in court. Warning: enclosed video is vivid.

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oh, how strange logic works in such situations. if I didn't give up (I didn't do what the policeman said), they would have cut me down and not killed me. and the casual guy got hurt. although, on the one hand, it is possible to understand the capture group, he could easily have got his hand back behind the gun

 

[memento_mori]

well in Oz they gave me this questionnaire to fill, the shrink just asked if I had plans to harm myself or anyone, when I told her I won't off myself in the next few days. then she went ceebs on the ctb issue and never bothered to ask about my suicide ideation history. found her super unhelpful