It's just, fuck, this statement made by pro lifers is just so fucking disrespectful and incorrect. Some people here, like me, want to be dead but we are trapped in existence and can't find a way out. The statement also gets used in response to hearing about somebody dying in a brutal, harsh way which causes their body to get all mangled up. It's like- why won't they rather have us die peacefully or take a pill to get out of here? It's just "no, no, if somebody wants to kill themselves, they'll find a way to do so". I hate this pro life world so fucking much.
Today I tried to find some random rivers that I could go to drown in for when I inevitably become homeless and I honestly wasn't scared of the idea of jumping in. I really wasn't as the pain caused by me merely existing is far worse than whatever pain I'd have to endure via drowning. However, jumping into those rivers won't work as it's just so shallow to where I can easily see the bottom of it. I'd definitely survive if I jumped as there's just no way I can drown in that. I hate this world so much and I hate pro lifers for acting like everybody can easily kill themselves if they want to (whilst they simultaneously refuse to give us euthanasia). I can't see pro lifers as nice or kind, to me they're psychopathic as they'd rather have us die horrifically and is okay with that because "if somebody really wants to kill themselves, they'll find a way to kill themselves"
The statement is totally not true.
Some people survive their suicide attempts and then need constant care. It's horribly difficult to commit suicide if you are in an assisted living facility or if your are poor and don't have a private space. if you survive an attempt and have family helping you, it becomes hard to access methods. If you are on disability and have no money, it's hard to pay for anything needed for a method.
It's not always easy to not make noise during suicide attempts that aren't quick. so like with suicide by poison, there's something vomit or gagging or just like other sounds, it's hard not to cry or react to the stress.
People in homeless shelters cannot easily commit suicide by poison. A person needs a private space to commit suicide in which no one is going to interrupt you.
The pain of death is a real deterrent for people easily ending it if they want to die. There are many ways that hurt, they all hurt, but some the pain takes place over a long period of time and it's easier to stop the attempt part-way.
It's hard because some people seem suicidal and their problems seem not that bad and they actually haven't tried anything, and then other people have really serious problems, and the pro-lifers want to "save" everyone usually for religious reasons, regardless of whether that person is in severe suffering.
When I was involuntarily hospitalized, I saw one woman there who they wouldn't let leave and she gave up on leaving and her hair got really mess, she just stopped caring, and I am sure she wanted to die. I felt so bad for her, and what was horrible is so many people who worked there just kept her there suffering no matter what, they were just so mean to her, and there were just no easy ways to die. I made a tool so I could sever my own throat but was let out before I ended up using it, but I am really resourceful, a normal person wouldn't figure that out.
She's probably still there, I still think about her sometimes.
People are really mean and vile and as long as religious says it's okay, they will always justify being mean and cruel and say religion demands it.
This trauma therapist mentioned in a reply also probably said this because she's probably treated people who have gone on to commit suicide, and so she tells it to herself to make her feel better, or him feel better. The living lie to themselves to feel better so they can keep moving on, keep carrying on. If this trauma therapist has dead patients, it doesn't make them a bad therapist necessarily. Skilled people take on difficult work and sometimes it results in disaster despite good effort. It's just the way it is.
I never get the reason why people limit safe ctb methods, wouldn't it better for everyone?
In my country most people die by jumping from buildings and standing in train tracks-- and it almost always traumatizes innocent bystanders and mangle people's bodies to the point that they're unrecognizeable, if most people understood that ctb cant be prevented (context: I live in a muslim country and ctb is considered worse than murder by some, but the suicide rates just keep going higher) then why can't we make it more humane?
Why do people get shamed even beyond the grave for taking their own life? It doesn't harm anyone else and unlike the majority of deaths (illness, accidents, famine, war etc etc) suicide is purely CONSENSUAL.
I'm convinced it's because the majority of people don't want to admit that suffering can be avoided rather easily.
"society" is run by the rich and everyone is supposed to agree to the lie that the world is wonderful and if you are good, then you go to magic afterlife land with no suffering and bliss. It's obviously a fucking lie, but in order to sustain the lie when someone else escapes the lie (by suicide), these people double down on the lie: not only will these suicides not go to magic afterlife, but they have magic suicide curse upon them for not being happier!
with anger and someone killing someone, neither arevsaying the lie doesn't exist. if someone kills someone, then the good person who dies goes to magic afterlife and the bad person does not and goes to magic torture afterlife. It's not the same as suicide because with suicide, it doesn't seem like the person doing it is bad, they are just rejecting society, suffering, and existence. So they have to double down on the completed suicide person being bad to sustain the original lie that the world is wonderful and magic afterlife awaits.
it's a very disgusting statement. i hate it. i've seen gruesome pictures of suicides. i don't know how they can say that, they need to really look at these pictures too and say it again. see if they think it's ok that people die like that after really seeing it. it's basically saying "if someone is under incredible pain they need to have a gruesome death too" sure why not. its honestly disgusting.
