Venting Is life evil/wrong?

[Darkover]

We have a finite lifespan that is full of suffering. Yes we can pass our stories on to future generations but why? What's the point? How do we deal with the burden of a meaningless existence? Would we be better off not existing so as to spare ourselves from such meaninglessness? Would the universe be a better place without life?

we don't even have the choice to leave that is denied by the government via restricting reliable peaceful suicide methods resulting in people taking more painful traumatic methods like train method or hanging

If you see life as something that forces beings into existence without their consent, exposing them to suffering, then from that perspective, life could be seen as wrong or immoral.

some argue that life isn't inherently good or evil—it just is. Nature doesn't have intent; it just follows cause and effect. From this perspective, suffering isn't wrong in a moral sense, but simply an unavoidable part of existence.

a universe could be structured in a way that drastically reduces suffering. If reality were designed with different physical laws, biology, or even psychology, suffering could be minimized or eliminated.

No need for survival – If beings didn't need food, water, or shelter, they wouldn't suffer from hunger, thirst, or exposure.
No pain or negative emotions – If consciousness existed without suffering, there would be no fear, sadness, or physical pain.
Immortality without decay – If beings didn't age or deteriorate, they wouldn't experience the suffering of disease or death.

it's entirely possible to imagine a universe where suffering is drastically reduced or even nonexistent. If suffering isn't an inherent necessity for existence, then the fact that this universe allows so much of it is unsettling.

It makes you wonder:

If a god or creator exists, why allow suffering when a better reality could be made?
If the universe is purely accidental, why did life evolve in such a brutal, inefficient way?

 

[pauly369]

I dont believe that we were all made by a super - intelligent God character who loves us all because the human being creation is deeply flawed.
Nature is also cruel because it is a vicious predatory system where something has to die in order for something else to survive.
But then again, if we were all made by the bearded butthole in the sky god character then that god must be a sadist.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

Yes life is evil.

Picture a red hot burner on a stove.

If you placed your hand on that red hot iron burner how terrible would the pain be?

You'd pull it away instantly the pain is so bad

What if a gang kidnapped you and forced you to put your hand on the red hot burner forcing you to keep it there searing burning. Can you imagine how bad the pain will be for all of those 60 seconds?

They have invented torture methods where not just parts of your hand are forced to remain on red hot metal but most of the skin on your body against red hot metal constantly against most of your skin. An example is the Brazen bull torture

Can you imagine 1 minute, 10 minutes an hour, 10 hours of that constant pain torture?

What is worth 10 hours of that constant unrelenting unbearable pain?

Is a youtube video or eating a sandwich Worth that torture ? Is watching a fucking sunset worth that pain.

It is possible for that level of pain to trap a human not just for a minute, 10 hours but for years: what is worth that?

The point is the brain is capable of producing such excruciating pain so it's something evil

What am I cells , chemical reactions a brain that can suffer unending constant unbearable pain for no reason . I don't see how that is not something evil some abomination

There is no point to all this extreme stuffering.

People think they are immune to such suffering or that they would trade some stupid pleasure scam for unrelenting torture for years. Life is evil

 

[divinemistress36]

For healthy people life is neutral . For those of us traumatized its wrong

 

[TheHolySword]

sometimes life is just what you make it. there are things out of our control and things in our control. life isn't good, life isn't bad, life isn't anything but living.

 

[Darkover]

sometimes life is just what you make it

life mostly what happens to you then what you make of it

 

[Forever Sleep]

Life is what it is to the individual. Some people suffer greatly but still insist it's worthwhile. Others suffer and hate it. Others have an objectively good life and either love it or hate it still.

I think our opinion on life is subjective so- there isn't a universal answer. It's a bit like asking everyone for consensus that strawberry icecream is delicious or disgusting. Not everyone will agree.

 

[SilentSadness]

Yes, life is objectively evil. Those who say otherwise are victim blaming. It is really not a complicated concept that it's disgusting and pointless to bring someone into this world to suffer until they die. I think it's such an obvious truth though that a lot of people are blind to it because they don't want it to be true. It's similar to the situation with gods, the idea that a "loving" god would create a world like this is an insult to intelligence but people believe it anyway, because otherwise they would have to condemn what they so desperately support. Throughout history, bloodletting was a common practice but once humans found that it was useless and harmful, many surgeons continued to bloodlet as much as a century later because they didn't know what else to do. It's tragic and repulsive how delusional this species is. Humans should be called homo fallaciae not homo sapiens. Yes, choosing to die is reasonable and a human right. Yes, this world is not justifiable. Most humans don't know anything.

 

[Ligottian]

I live in a swath of the US where storms killed 42 people this weekend. I'm sure most of them, and their loved ones, were more or less happy. Then an agent of horror kicked in the door. I forget to mention those whose homes were destroyed and/or were injured and will be dealing with a lot of misery for quite a while. Life can change on a dime.

 

[LaVieEnRose]

No, but humanity is closer to evil than not. If it's just marginally it's closer.

 

[monolog]

Yes

 

[SufferingInDenmark]

the world is pretty evil, yes, mainly because of humans bullying and bombing each other.
and the fact people won't stop bothering other people.
always trying to convince other people of shit... "no, you need to live my way, or else you're bad".

 

[cosmic-realism]

Science will not advance unless we do.People are too busy living like it's the stone ages.Their ideas of misogyny,marriage,land ownership,monetary system and racism have filled their brains up to the point where any advancement in science leading to the betterment of this entire world will be cut off due to these backward ideas.This cultural force is a staunch driver in setting back millenia worth of science behind.We could have found the solution to basic needs like hunger through genetic engineering.But no.We are too busy oppressing other people.

The problem is a very few people are truly intelligent in this world.The rest are simply mindless zombies,who consume whatever is fed to them.

 

[Csmith8827]

Life is both evil and wrong. You hit the nail on the head. It's plain and simple . Cut and dry. That's why we're all here on SaSu...

 

[NoMoreSanity]

Yes life is evil.

Picture a red hot burner on a stove.

If you placed your hand on that red hot iron burner how terrible would the pain be?

You'd pull it away instantly the pain is so bad

What if a gang kidnapped you and forced you to put your hand on the red hot burner forcing you to keep it there searing burning. Can you imagine how bad the pain will be for all of those 60 seconds?

They have invented torture methods where not just parts of your hand are forced to remain on red hot metal but most of the skin on your body against red hot metal constantly against most of your skin. An example is the Brazen bull torture

Can you imagine 1 minute, 10 minutes an hour, 10 hours of that constant pain torture?

What is worth 10 hours of that constant unrelenting unbearable pain?

Is a youtube video or eating a sandwich Worth that torture ? Is watching a fucking sunset worth that pain.

It is possible for that level of pain to trap a human not just for a minute, 10 hours but for years: what is worth that?

The point is the brain is capable of producing such excruciating pain so it's something evil

What am I cells , chemical reactions a brain that can suffer unending constant unbearable pain for no reason . I don't see how that is not something evil some abomination

There is no point to all this extreme stuffering.

People think they are immune to such suffering or that they would trade some stupid pleasure scam for unrelenting torture for years. Life is evil

So if it wrong to feel pleasure, and we must remain miserable, what do we do outside of suicide?

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

So if it wrong to feel pleasure, and we must remain miserable, what do we do outside of suicide?

what pleasure is worth 10 hours of the Brazen bull torture?

it doesn't matter to me what others do or want to do as long as they are not bothering me or others as long at it only affects them. if they want to risk extreme suffering , work every day hours , deal with problems all the time ( the law of Entropy), get old that's their business . how does someone else's personal choices affect me ? it doesn't .

i don't care what others do. if they want to risk extreme torture that's their business if they want to work 15 hours a day a job and chores just to exist under threat of extreme pain only to get old that's their business. i don't want to do that . if they think they will never get old and nothing will happen to them that's their business. as for me i don't see anything worth doing anyway much less for even 1 second of the Brazen bull torture.

i wouldn't want to live another minute under any circumstances : that doesn't affect anyone else and is no one else's business. i'm just here mainly trying to defeat my si. the reason i haven't killed myself yet is fear of failing and remaining alive but with brain damage.

plus imo every human me too are just cells , chemical reactions, a machine. why would it matter to me what other chemical reactions, groups of cells do or don't do including me as i only should want to avoid unbearable pain and my suicide asap.

 

[NoMoreSanity]

what pleasure is worth 10 hours of the Brazen bull torture?

it doesn't matter to me what others do or want to do as long as they are not bothering me or others as long at it only affects them. if they want to risk extreme suffering , work every day hours , deal with problems all the time ( the law of Entropy), get old that's their business . how does someone else's personal choices affect me ? it doesn't .

i don't care what others do. if they want to risk extreme torture that's their business if they want to work 15 hours a day a job and chores just to exist under threat of extreme pain only to get old that's their business. i don't want to do that . if they think they will never get old and nothing will happen to them that's their business. as for me i don't see anything worth doing anyway much less for even 1 second of the Brazen bull torture.

i wouldn't want to live another minute under any circumstances : that doesn't affect anyone else and is no one else's business. i'm just here mainly trying to defeat my si. the reason i haven't killed myself yet is fear of failing and remaining alive but with brain damage.

plus imo every human me too are just cells , chemical reactions, a machine. why would it matter to me what other chemical reactions, groups of cells do or don't do including me as i only should want to avoid unbearable pain and my suicide asap.

I don't think the pleasure is worth it but it still feels "good" none the less I don't disagree

the reason i haven't killed myself yet is fear of failing and remaining alive but with brain damage.

I'm curious. What do you do other than browse here?

 

[EvisceratedJester]

Science will not advance unless we do.People are too busy living like it's the stone ages.Their ideas of misogyny,marriage,land ownership,monetary system and racism have filled their brains up to the point where any advancement in science leading to the betterment of this entire world will be cut off due to these backward ideas.

A lot of the ideas that you mentioned are actually quite new and did not exist or at least did not exist to this extent, before the Neolithic period. Things, like land ownership, are not ideas that are not commonly found in many hunter-gatherer communities. Misogyny may have been less present prior to the Neolithic period, and the idea of race as we know it today didn't come around until back during the Trans-Atlantic slave trade. Prior, people who label themselves based on things, like their religion or the empire they were a part of, not race.

A lot of this bullshit that is presented to us as just natural facets of human nature only came around more recently in the history of our species, at least based on the evidence we have so far. These "backwards ideas" are sold us as such in order to uphold the hierarchical system in place. They try to sell you the idea that all of this is completely natural and has always been common when in reality there isn't a lot of evidence for that, at least from what I know. It's a tactic to keep people from questioning shit and to shut up those who dare speak against it.

 

[Saponification]

To say that life is evil would not be semantically correct, since life is an unintelligent force of nature. However, I would say that imposing life on a being through procreation is the most unethical act that any moral agent could possibly commit.

 

[cosmic-realism]

A lot of the ideas that you mentioned are actually quite new and did not exist or at least did not exist to this extent, before the Neolithic period. Things, like land ownership, are not ideas that are not commonly found in many hunter-gatherer communities. Misogyny may have been less present prior to the Neolithic period, and the idea of race as we know it today didn't come around until back during the Trans-Atlantic slave trade. Prior, people who label themselves based on things, like their religion or the empire they were a part of, not race.

A lot of this bullshit that is presented to us as just natural facets of human nature only came around more recently in the history of our species, at least based on the evidence we have so far. These "backwards ideas" are sold us as such in order to uphold the hierarchical system in place. They try to sell you the idea that all of this is completely natural and has always been common when in reality there isn't a lot of evidence for that, at least from what I know. It's a tactic to keep people from questioning shit and to shut up those who dare speak against it.

Exactly

 

[OptingOutSmiling]

Yip, life is wrong, and I recently had this moment where I realised that humans are cursed into existence. We have no choice, we have to be what we are, whatever we are. This made me wonder, why are we even here and does it really matter? In the end nothing matters, right? So why do we have to suffer while being alive? We did not choose to be alive or to suffer. So, if we find no point to this life, I believe that's also why I'm here, on Sasu, to leave the wrong, cursed existence. Sometimes though, like today, I still feel that the universe is greater than life, and in these moments of believing in the greater good somehow, I find some hope to continue for another day.

 

[8leveloquenfrn4evr8]

Yes.

No amount of suffering justifies any amount of joy.

Some (probably most) of the smartest people on the planet (the kind of intellectual gifts that lead to power at the moment, so mostly technology and political management) are the most evil.

Annihilation now!

 

[Michelstaedter]

There's no way to know the reason we exist. There's no way to even know if we're the only conscious beings in this universe (I doubt we are), or if we are, it's like some kind of oddity, perhaps an abnormality, a coincidence, a mistake, or something meaningless. What about when something is a mistake or has finite nature, like stars or substances that are consumed like fuel? They're eliminated, right? I think pain, suffering, and other unpleasant things are a kind of "signal" of imminent destruction, danger, or irreparable damage. If you try to cut your wrist, the pain will immediately come, followed by coagulation and scarring to prevent a "blood leak," otherwise you'll die. It happens with electronic devices, it happens with animals, it happens with anything; it wears out and breaks. Whether it's fortune or misfortune, human beings are aware of these signals. Unlike animals, they flee instinctively, and we perceive them as something that can be seen as more complex than simple discomfort. In society, and throughout human history in general, suffering and pain have been part of life. Depending on the culture, it can be virtuous to endure, uncomfortable, or an evil that can be avoided (as with Buddhists). Therefore, we are in an era where suffering lacks meaning. Scientific advances to reduce it, a greater capacity to live longer, and a technological age where, objectively, pain and what we suffer from it are nothing more than electrical signals encoded in the brain. This helps us understand the functioning of this mechanism and the simplicity of seeing it as something that exists due to our nervous system and its functions to detect and conceptualize what is happening.
Conclusion? Life, in essence, is not bad, because we as humans give it meaning—a moral issue rather than a naturalistic one. Our lives as humans, or even animal life, may be an anomaly in the universe, so the greater the complexity, the greater the perception of what a sensation is. Pain is, in fact, a form of human control, and I reiterate, many cultures have diverse perspectives, where today they seek to eliminate it as much as possible by simplifying it into a simple process that delimits what needs to be modified to avoid irreparable physical damage.

 

[FrozenOcean]

I like the Gnostics approach. They look at this world as an abomination created by an inferior being known as Yaldabaoth who keeps souls trapped here on earth. There is a superior being known as Monad that creates perfect worlds, but some offshoot of that creation known as Sofia wanted to be like Monad and out of her ignorance created the demiurge. So in a sense this world stems from a beautiful perfect creation known as the Pleroma, but where we are is this cursed, evil, facsimile where people suffer in a cyclical hell realm of an attempt at creation gone wrong. Like Frankensteins monster, but it's earth and all of creation as we see it here.

I don't think there is any truth to this of course, but it's an interesting take on a creation story and certainly more legit than thinking this is a perfect, wholesome world. This is not a good predicament we find ourselves in, but they sure like to push the narrative that it is. I just automatically assume we are being exploited somehow just by being alive, why else encourage people to procreate and prevent suicide for those that suffer. Something is feeding off the suffering or the energy we create, like a machine, keep us alive or they can't continue feeding off the essence of this place. Sort of like the whole Matrix theme where there is more than meets the eye. I'm convinced this is an evil, cursed world of exploitation and slavery.

 

[avalonisburning]

Life is exploitation and extraction. Basic thermodynamics holds that life can't exist unless its at the expense of other living and non-living components in an ecosystem.

Every breath, every heartbeat, every meal is an act of taking, and the more complex the organism is, the more resources and energy must be taken from the ecosystem for it to remain coherent. No matter how much it wants to, the organism can never return a meaningful amount of resources or energy to the world relative to what it takes. Humanity has set up the infrastructure to exponentially replicate and amplify life, and extend it for as long as possible.

Whatever that means in moralistic terms, I'll leave that up for others to decide.

 

[wham311]

Life is great for some. Some aren't cut out for it.