Is randomness the only form of equality?

[edu0z]

I often see people complaining about their lives, for being born in poor countries, or simply for the life they had to live when they were little and couldn't choose, or for the genetic lottery.

So I often hear the phrase, "life isn't fair," but I think they just say that because they don't like their lives. If they were happy and had everything they wanted (even without deserving it), I doubt that person would think that life is not fair.

The job market is unfair, the distribution of the world is unfair, all those things are up for debate... but a lottery that is not rigged, everyone buys a ticket at the same price, so everyone has an equal chance of winning. It's random but it's fair, everyone has the same odds.

So the question remains, is life unfair?... How long has life been unfair to you and you never had a chance or have you simply been part of a lottery?

I suppose that first we would have to individualize and pay attention to what points you think life has been unfair to you... because of your appearance?, because of your environment?, because of your internal biology?... we would also have to ask ourselves if we are just a product of our environment... are we an independent creature with free will or will our life always depend on the circumstances of our environment?... perhaps external circumstances favor you but then your internal biology has played a bad role. So, to what extent has the genetic lottery been unfair? Were the odds against you even before you were born? Was it an unexpected and completely random event that happened to you or perhaps you were predisposed to it happening to you?

I'm just rambling, trying to get the thoughts out of my mind... but if life was unfair to you taking into account all the possibilities described above and many more, wouldn't others also have to deal with all those thousands of possibilities? .. is there any place in the world or any gene that drastically move the balance of probabilities towards one side or the other?

What if you have everything (or everything that can be considered necessary for a happy life) but you are not happy because of a chemical imbalance in your brain or because of a past trauma?... What if you have nothing (I'm talking about things that society consider important) but you are still happy?

I don't know, the more I think about it, the more I realize the complexity of life... maybe one day some neural network with a huge amount of big data will be able to calculate those probabilities.

 

[DarkRange55]

What we call reality is based on seemingly-random events. However systems with seemingly-random events can have larger non-random patterns. For example, water molecules bounce around seemingly randomly off each other in a large body of water, yet the ocean can have currents and waves that are far from random and these patterns can persist. (Even though they adhere to each through hydrogen bonds. Not on the level of individual interactions, where each "bounce" is predictable (to the extent that uncertainty allows), and not on the level of waves and currents, but the levels in between look random (due to complexity amplifying uncertainty). *Randomness is real within any given universe, but when viewed from the perspective of the multiverse it is an illusion based on our inability to comprehend more than one reality at once.* The universe is powered by the fusing of atoms, blackholes and the decay of stars. Randomness simply stems from our inability to account for all factors.

Its complicated and I don't mean in the sense that there's underlying principles that govern the way things work and you just don't know the underlying principles. I mean the situation is at least that bad but it may be worse than that. There may not be any underlying principles. In fact thats the way I think it is. There's probably none at all, there's just an ocean of tiny details. The overall outcome being nothing more than the sum of all their individual actions. Thats the way the weather works. Thats why your weatherman can't tell you what its gonna do a week from now with any accuracy. It's not that he's missing knowledge of some underlying principles that would allow them to make those predictions. Its that there are no underlying principles that would allow them to make those predictions. What he's able to predict is dependent entirely on the number and distribution of the observations he's able to make and the computational power he has available to him to model the system. Thats the best he can do. Pretty sure the worldwide social situation is even worse. Its nowhere being nearly even possible to even model the behavior of a single individual. Let alone the behavior of millions of people. There are times when most people do agree on what aught to be done but barring the supposition of some immediate concern that would apparently demand such a drastic measure as that.
The underlying principles in chaotic systems don't support detailed predictions far into the future.

 

[edu0z]

What we call reality is based on seemingly-random events. However systems with seemingly-random events can have larger non-random patterns. For example, water molecules bounce around seemingly randomly off each other in a large body of water, yet the ocean can have currents and waves that are far from random and these patterns can persist. (Even though they adhere to each through hydrogen bonds. Not on the level of individual interactions, where each "bounce" is predictable (to the extent that uncertainty allows), and not on the level of waves and currents, but the levels in between look random (due to complexity amplifying uncertainty). *Randomness is real within any given universe, but when viewed from the perspective of the multiverse it is an illusion based on our inability to comprehend more than one reality at once.* The universe is powered by the fusing of atoms, blackholes and the decay of stars. Randomness simply stems from our inability to account for all factors.

Its complicated and I don't mean in the sense that there's underlying principles that govern the way things work and you just don't know the underlying principles. I mean the situation is at least that bad but it may be worse than that. There may not be any underlying principles. In fact thats the way I think it is. There's probably none at all, there's just an ocean of tiny details. The overall outcome being nothing more than the sum of all their individual actions. Thats the way the weather works. Thats why your weatherman can't tell you what its gonna do a week from now with any accuracy. It's not that he's missing knowledge of some underlying principles that would allow them to make those predictions. Its that there are no underlying principles that would allow them to make those predictions. What he's able to predict is dependent entirely on the number and distribution of the observations he's able to make and the computational power he has available to him to model the system. Thats the best he can do. Pretty sure the worldwide social situation is even worse. Its nowhere being nearly even possible to even model the behavior of a single individual. Let alone the behavior of millions of people. There are times when most people do agree on what aught to be done but barring the supposition of some immediate concern that would apparently demand such a drastic measure as that.
The underlying principles in chaotic systems don't support detailed predictions far into the future.

that reminds me to "the underlying secrets tha drives the stock market" of tom williams

 

[DarkRange55]

that reminds me to "the underlying secrets tha drives the stock market" of tom williams

Warren Buffett paraphrased Ben Graham in 1987, saying "In the short run, the market is a voting machine but in the long run, it is a weighing machine." I work in finance and I've been a an equities financial analyst (basically professional stock picker) and also a prop trader - buy index funds. Warren Buffett paraphrased Ben Graham in 1987, saying "In the short run, the market is a voting machine but in the long run, it is a weighing machine."

 

[Forever Sleep]

Does that indicate there is intention behind someone receiving good odds and bad odds- so- maybe a God or creator of some kind? That there's some reason behind it? I'm not sure. Can you have good or bad luck without knowing what the purpose of life is? If it's some sick game to enable us to learn some big lesson- perhaps apparently bad luck is good. Isn't that what religious people try to do? Try to reframe their shit luck as some lesson from God that made them stronger/more humble?

I think people use the whole 'unlucky' card when they feel personally persecuted. A friend of mine will often complain about the weather- 'Knowing my luck, it will rain on the way to work.' They can't truly believe that the rain clouds are conspiring to be in the exact right position to get them wet- surely? Maybe we are just too self absorbed that everything revolves around us. I doubt animals of prey think about how unlucky they were to have been born to become something elses dinner at some point. They just concentrate on doing their own thing and avoiding that for as long as possible.

Of course- some people/creatures are certainly better equipt than others. I guess you could call it luck. Some of it is intention though. Humans choose to procreate- whether they are rich, poor, have the genes for intelligence and beauty, or carry hereditary ill health conditions. That wasn't chance. They knew what they could be bringing that child into and did it anyway. In fact- anyone who chooses to reproduce is starting a crapshoot of chance for some other poor unsuspecting being. They probably hope for good fortune for their child but ultimately- no one can guarantee it.

 

[DarkRange55]

Instead of "fate," in the traditional sense: its actually cosmic synchronicity and coincidence?
What's the difference?
It's all about privilege, luck and wealth?
If you include genetics in "privilege, luck and wealth", then yes.

 

[real person]

if humanity doesn't destroy itself one day we will have superabundance and everyone will be able to have the best life possible

 

[DarkRange55]

What we call reality is based on seemingly-random events. However systems with seemingly-random events can have larger non-random patterns. For example, water molecules bounce around seemingly randomly off each other in a large body of water, yet the ocean can have currents and waves that are far from random and these patterns can persist. (Even though they adhere to each through hydrogen bonds. Not on the level of individual interactions, where each "bounce" is predictable (to the extent that uncertainty allows), and not on the level of waves and currents, but the levels in between look random (due to complexity amplifying uncertainty). *Randomness is real within any given universe, but when viewed from the perspective of the multiverse it is an illusion based on our inability to comprehend more than one reality at once.* The universe is powered by the fusing of atoms, blackholes and the decay of stars. Randomness simply stems from our inability to account for all factors.

Its complicated and I don't mean in the sense that there's underlying principles that govern the way things work and you just don't know the underlying principles. I mean the situation is at least that bad but it may be worse than that. There may not be any underlying principles. In fact thats the way I think it is. There's probably none at all, there's just an ocean of tiny details. The overall outcome being nothing more than the sum of all their individual actions. Thats the way the weather works. Thats why your weatherman can't tell you what its gonna do a week from now with any accuracy. It's not that he's missing knowledge of some underlying principles that would allow them to make those predictions. Its that there are no underlying principles that would allow them to make those predictions. What he's able to predict is dependent entirely on the number and distribution of the observations he's able to make and the computational power he has available to him to model the system. Thats the best he can do. Pretty sure the worldwide social situation is even worse. Its nowhere being nearly even possible to even model the behavior of a single individual. Let alone the behavior of millions of people. There are times when most people do agree on what aught to be done but barring the supposition of some immediate concern that would apparently demand such a drastic measure as that.
The underlying principles in chaotic systems don't support detailed predictions far into the future.

You can manipulate data to make a pattern appear.
It is extremely difficult to find true randomness in anything other than QM (quantum mechanics) and math.

Warren Buffett paraphrased Ben Graham in 1987, saying "In the short run, the market is a voting machine but in the long run, it is a weighing machine." I work in finance and I've been a an equities financial analyst (basically professional stock picker) and also a prop trader - buy index funds. Warren Buffett paraphrased Ben Graham in 1987, saying "In the short run, the market is a voting machine but in the long run, it is a weighing machine."

I've also worked in finance for hotels / casinos, investment bank, hedge fund and family offices.

 

[sserafim]

I think that the opposite is true. I think believe that uniformity is the only form of equality. People are only disadvantaged/don't have the same opportunities because of randomness. Some people are just more privileged than others, and this is unfair. Some are born into wealth while others are born in poverty. Some are neurodivergent while others are neurotypical. Is this fair? I don't think so. I believe that true equality can only be achieved by sameness.

 

[DarkRange55]