Discussion It is wrong to assert that there are no 100% guaranteed lethality methods

[L'absent]

I believe that continuing to claim that there are no 100% safe methods is false information. It is true that many methods have low/medium/high lethality. However, there are methods that have certain lethality and there is no exchange. We are not Highlanders and our bodies can be killed. Wanting is power! For example: Drinking plumber's liquid is fatal and there is no escape, even with the best doctors. Same with hydrogen sulfide in the right concentrations. What can happen with the Guillotine? Does it jam? What if I tie my wrists to the steering wheel of my car and dive the car into a lake? This in the article is an example of a 100% certain death, very painful but certain. No doctor will be able to save you.

It is a normal bathroom product that costs 3.70 euros.


Horrendous death for Vincenzo Corrò from Bernareggio, he had mistaken the plumber's liquid for mouthwash

Vincenzo Corrò, a 55-year-old from Bernareggio, died after accidentally drinking a sip of drain cleaner. The sulfuric acid burned his throat and esophagus, despite help.
I thought it was mouthwash". Instead it was liquid plumber. Vincenzo Corrò, a 55-year-old from Bernareggio who drank a sip of drain cleaner at home on the night between Thursday and Friday at home, died of a horrendous end. He himself was the one who alert the rescuers: "I was half asleep, the two bottles were close together, on the countertop of the bathroom sink and I confused them as soon as he put the gushing immediately noticed the exchange which unfortunately turned out to be lethal: he spat it out, but by then he had swallowed a few sips. In addition to burning his mouth, the sulfuric acid burned his throat and esophagus they urgently transferred him to the Mandic in Merate. The doctors on duty contacted their colleagues at the Niguarda poison control center in Milan to ask for advice. However, the situation was now irreparably compromised. Vincenzo struggled to breathe due to his swollen throat and died.

Morte orrenda per Vincenzo Corrò di Bernareggio, aveva scambiato l'idraulico liquido con colluttorio

Vincenzo Corrò, 55enne di Bernareggio, è morto dopo aver bevuto per errore una sorsata di sgorgante per scarichi. L'acido solforico gli ha bruciato la gola e l'esofago, nonostante i soccorsi.

www.ilgiorno.it

 

[TheHolySword]

100% method? Probably.
Safe method? No.
The distinction is that the safe method aims to be painless and hopefully peaceful. There are methods that are safer than others as failure will result in a lesser likelihood of permanent damage.

If I continuously drank some chemical (detergent, drain cleaner, etc.) then yes I would inevitably die. But it's not a recommended way to go and for good reason.

 

[L'absent]

100% method? Probably.
Safe method? No.
The distinction is that the safe method aims to be painless and hopefully peaceful. There are methods that are safer than others as failure will result in a lesser likelihood of permanent damage.

If I continuously drank some chemical (detergent, drain cleaner, etc.) then yes I would inevitably die. But it's not a recommended way to go and for good reason.

Sure, but here in the forum we don't talk about the peaceful method because for example for some it's peaceful SN and for me it's horrible. For me the guillotine is peaceful and for others it is obscene. In the forum we talk about lethality and if you drink muriatic acid I want to see if it isn't lethal. Die 100%.

If you consider Nembutal a peaceful method. Well it's 100% lethal. No one has ever survived.


This informative illustration is often shared on the forum to demonstrate that no method is 100% safe. Well, there is also immolation, other than peaceful and safe methods. Read the others too, including cuts, explosives etc. https://lostallhope.com/suicide-methods/statistics-most-lethal-methods/

The goal is to demonstrate that there are no safe methods and in the list there are brutal methods, but no method that guarantees 100% death. So the goal is not what you claim.

 

[avalokitesvara]

This interests me. I completely understand and have compassion that for a lot of people, probably most, who are hoping to escape suffering, they have a top priority of method being very fast, and painless. Very fast but painful- no. Slow but painless- no. There's also a third element of what you can mentally tolerate happening to you, like you say. For some hanging is too much to comprehend, for others it's self poisoning. Really, none of us know what any method will really be like unless you've already attempted and been revived.

My mindset is a bit different. I want to experience death as a natural and gentle process, and I have a drive to do something even quite complicated and drawn-out if I get to achieve that. I have a very strong negative/disgust/upset reaction to self poisoning, and violent methods like hanging. Of course, those are great methods for people who want to be gone quickly and efficiently, in their homes, without anyone finding out and reviving them. You also imagine what gets left behind. People don't want the people in their lives to think of them as decapitated, or in incredible agony from dangerous chemicals, or smashed to bits by a train. I think it's touching how much decorum most people have for presenting a peaceful and presentable corpse.

There's always a mental image of how things will go that we believe in. So like here you see people using SN and read the accounts and so can imagine that for yourself. Other methods we don't hear about, it's too unimaginable to drink draino. You have to be able to imagine your death to bring it upon yourself.

For me I want my body to be taken beyond the limit by slow natural processes like hunger and cold and blood loss. I want to go far far away from people so I can permit this to happen over however long it takes, without anyone stopping me. That's my choice and my vision. I don't expect other people to understand it or think it's a good idea. They reckon these are non-methods and I would give in to SI. No, for me the SI would be far more difficult to overcome trying to sip SN or rig up a ligature.

Probably the best thing is a gun if you're in a place where they're accessible. Fast, reliable, painless. I would do that if it was available to me.

 

[L'absent]

I understand, but the thread deals with an often discussed topic and in particular a granitic statement "no suicide is 100% safe, because everyone has a chance of failing".


View attachment The-Elephants-Foot-of-the-Chernobyl-disaster-1986-1-1024x696 (1).webp

This is the famous Chernobyl elephant's foot. It is so radioactive that a short exposure can be lethal, as Kyle Hill well reconstructed in 2013: an exposure of thirty seconds causes dizziness and fatigue for a week; two minutes are enough to damage cells; four minutes causes vomiting, diarrhea, fever; five minutes and you have a couple of days left to live. Three hundred seconds in the company of this wrinkled mass is enough for a lethal dose. Death is 100% certain.

 

[avalokitesvara]

Yeah, I agree with you. There are plenty of 100% fatal ways to do it, you could list them for ages. If you had a will strong enough you could come up with some really exotic 100% lethal method. It's interesting that our attachment to life is so strong and our ability to imagine death is so poor, that we don't seem to be able to understand that death will wipe away even the most painful method as if it had never happened. We still believe in our experiences mattering.

 

[L'absent]

Yeah, I agree with you. There are plenty of 100% fatal ways to do it, you could list them for ages. If you had a will strong enough you could come up with some really exotic 100% lethal method. It's interesting that our attachment to life is so strong and our ability to imagine death is so poor, that we don't seem to be able to understand that death will wipe away even the most painful method as if it had never happened. We still believe in our experiences mattering.

We're not ready to deal with that kind of topic. It is still one of many human taboos.