KL case update

[RainAndSadness]

So yeah, remember when the media ate up all the news earlier this year that KL will be charged with murder? Well, turns out this might not even happen. The prosecution pulled that out of their ass to set an example but now they're asking the Supreme Court in Canada if it's even possible to do that when it's actually assisted suicide. Laughable handling of this case.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-crown-supreme-court-kenneth-law-1.7332084

Not even talking about the fact that it's quite a difference if 14 people were killed or assisted in their suicides, morally speaking in terms of the ethical implications but also when it comes to this dude's reputation which is destroyed forever and smeared as the most infamous serial killer of all time but when you help someone commit suicide, that's ususally considered assisted suicide and not murder. So I'll be very curious to see how the Supreme Court decides in this case, especially because the media tried to lump us in with that dude when we don't have anything to do with people who sell products and anyone who tries to do so in our forum gets banned.

Just thought I'd update y'all because this is quite the development after all the sensationalist and inflated reporting of this case.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

imo what an evil upside down prison world. they have 99% plus of people accepting that it's a crime to assist someone else with suicide. so if i or someone is in extreme suffering or will be soon as in homelessness they have no guaranteed way to escape torture but must just suffer torture for no logical reason.

It's ok to assist a dog or cat , give them a shot of Nembutal but a human has to suffer for even up to years constant unbearable pain , and then die anyway after years of suffering because we all will die. how is any of this even remotely rational?

 

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That they are pushing this angle seems only a matter of politicking and posturing, and I think our Supreme Court will rule on the side of common sense here.

About this case, if the facts are as alleged -- that he supplied the means, counselled on how to use and maximize likelihood of death, and participated in this forum in the context of his product -- then there would be no question under Canadian law, he would be guilty of counselling and aiding suicide.

I think we as a community should be disavowing his actions.

I believe we need people to supply the means.

I believe we need people to counsel on the how-to's of it.

But these people cannot be one in the same. Do one or the other -- not both.

For somebody to both supply the means and to counsel on how to die, that's a setup too vulnerable to exploitation.

If the facts are as alleged, then I think Kenneth Law should be disavowed by the pro-choice community both from a moral standpoint and from an ideological standpoint.

 

[rozeske]

With what the media was saying, I honestly thought they were going to eat him and that he was done for. Glad to see there is hope.

 

[Forever Sleep]

I believe we need people to supply the means.

I believe we need people to counsel on the how-to's of it.

But these people cannot be one in the same. Do one or the other -- not both.

I absolutely agree. I think maybe he became over confident and started to push his luck by talking people through how to use it for suicide. If he'd simply sold products, I'm not sure he could be held liable for anything. By acknowledging why a person was buying it and telling them how to get the best results, I would think that's definitely assisting a suicide.

It's in part led by the buyer too. I think people ought to realise that by asking a seller about how to suicide with their product- they could well be entrapping them.

I agree that a murder charge is excessive EXCEPT- I believe he did sell to a minor. That I imagine they could push for as being murder. The same as a mature adult sleeping with someone underage is risking allegations of rape. It's obvious he became aware he was at higher risk when he started to insist on age verification.

If I'm honest, I have such mixed feelings about it all. I'm grateful to him. I bought from him. I kind of admire people brave enough to do it. I wouldn't be. I'm not 100% sure about their motives if I'm honest though. I'm not sure it is some altruistic crusade to relieve people from their painful lives. I think it may be more financially motivated. People have likened him to a drug dealer. Maybe that's accurate. I'm not sure. I've always wondered too whether he shopped us all when we all ended up with welfare checks. Or, whether the police found us via other methods- payment details, impounding business records.

Of course, the worst of it all is- it shouldn't be up to them. Assisted suicide ought to be legalised and regulated and (in my opinion) available to adults of sound mind. It isn't reasonable to expect companies, businesses, individuals who sell such lethal substances commonly used in suicides to be able to mentally assess their customers. It's no wonder really our governments push for outright bans on selling to individuals. It's not something they can properly regulate at the moment.

I wonder if he's regretting it now. Whether it was worth it. I think he sold his product at quite a high rate. I believe he was in quite a bit of debt from a previous catering venture. Still- will that really make up for prison time? I even wondered whether he would CTB himself to avoid that. Poor gallows humour but that would kind of be the highest endorsement of your own product!

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

imo what an evil upside down prison world. they have 99% plus of people accepting that it's a crime to assist someone else with suicide. so if i or someone is in extreme suffering or will be soon as in homelessness they have no guaranteed way to escape torture but must just suffer torture for no logical reason.

It's ok to assist a dog or cat , give them a shot of Nembutal but a human has to suffer for even up to years constant unbearable pain , and then die anyway after years of suffering because we all will die. how is any of this even remotely rational?

Nobody has a guaranteed way to escape extreme torture or even exit this prison life prison world if they want to .

someone helping you with suicide would make it guaranteed. So this is why they made assisting in suicide a crime to make this world and life a worse prison.

we are all in danger of suffering extremely any day with no guaranteed way out. we will all die anyway but they say even if we are sufering we can't leave this imposed hell when we want to .

We are all going to die anyway. but we can't leave even if we are suffering extremely so have to suffer for years constant unbearable pain or take a risk to get brain damage with diy suicide method.

It's not any government idiot's business if i want to kill myself or hire someone like KL to help me kill myself. me killing myself wont' affect anyone else and also i'm going to die anyway. so it's totally irrational and evil to make it a crime to assist in suicide.

And you also have to kill yourself in secret so that makes it even more difficult . why do they treat it like a crime to want to move away from suffering? it's pure evil .

We are all going to die anyway so why do they force us to prolong our suffering ? pure evil

They stole everyone's most important rights . The right to move away from suffering and pain in a guaranteed way. Also the right to individual autonomy and to be the owner of your own life and body. They made this world and life a worse prison. If you can't leave a place in a guaranteed manner then you are in prison . i think they have most people not realizing this

i have to kill myself . so i have to risk brain damage with a risky diy method that has no scientific data or info. why do i have to risk brain damage , why do so many people also and with brutal methods? because they made anyone helping another with suicide a crime . and this case with Kenneth Law shows their evil oppression and injustice.

The real morality of wanting to move a way from extreme suffering is above all their made up bs "morality" that is just to control everyone take everyone's rights and keep everyone in this evil prison. we had a right to move away from excruciating unbearable pain until they made assisting in suicide a crime . now we don't and we are all in danger of suffering extremely any day with no guaranteed way out.

i have to stay in this meaningless hell called life for no objective reason. i have to work 15 hours per day a job chores etc only to wait for extreme torture.

I've asked here why do i have to life another minute? no one has answered. because there is no objective reason much less to wait for extreme suffering.

i want to kill this bag of 30 trillion cells i'm imprisoned in. it's no one else's business that i want to kill myself but my own. it wont' affect anyone else. i should be allowed to hire someone to help me escape extreme torture. it won't affect anyone else if i hire kenneth Law to help me move away form extreme suffering. both of us want to do it. he's not making me do anything. nothing could make me want to live anyway .

I'm going to die anyway. why is it some government idiot's business If i want to kill myself now or want to hire someone to help me escape extreme torture?

Where does some government monster or anybody get it into their head that they have a right to tell me i can't kill myself or seek help in killing myself? It's nobody's business what i do with this body and life as only i'm in this hell and only i know what suffering and only i am affected by this body and brain. i'm not affecting anyone else . if ask someone like Kenneth Law if they want to help me . that is then only between me and him,. it's no one else's business. plus i and every human is going to die anyway. so they tell us that yeah you're going to die anyway but we own you and we decide you can't leave now . and i ask why is that your business? i'm suffering extremely but you say i can't stop my suffering? so i have to risk brain damage with a diy suicide method. i can't hire anyone to help me because you controlling monsters made it a crime to hire anyone.

they are keeping us in prison for nothing . there is no objective reason as nothing matters except avoiding extreme pain.

so anyone that is suffering extremely or will suffer extremely can't escape that suffering . So the only option they have is to try to kill themselves with no help with risky diy methods for which there is very little data or information on . The reason there is no data is because they have censored it. this site is the only place were people can even discuss suicide methods.

it's even more oppressive and ridiculous when you look at things in the context of reality. We will all die anyway . Then if i'm suffering extremely i can't hire someone to help me escape torture. and if someone does help me then he is demonized as a criminal monster and jailed.


This life is meaningless suffering prison torture slavery an evil imposition. Another thing i haven't heard anyone mention is that we don't even remember any of this stupid life. if you think you do then pick several days last year or 2 years ago or even a few months ago and pull up the vidoe tape of that day and play it minute by minute of what you did that day. there is no video , it's all gone into obvlivion. try to remember the people the last times you went to a retail store or grocery what they were wearing etc. it's all gone . human memory is not what they tell us. you hardly remember anything just some representations models of a very few things . so what is life nothing imo.. they are keeping us in prison for nothing . there is no objective reason as nothing matters except avoiding extreme pain.

Every human will die anyway and is just cells, a machine. but has a brain that can suffer constant unbearable pain. so they should be allowed to hire someone to aid them is escaping or moving away from constant unbearable pain. that we don't have this and our rights is an extreme injustice oppression and abomination. they have most people accepting this being prisoners.