RainAndSadness
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- Jun 12, 2018
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Hello everyone.
As some of you know, there are a bunch of people out there on Twitter, campaigning to get this forum shut down - without much success, of course. We're still here and we just recently had our five years anniversary, which is amazing and I'm confident we will stay around for a long time. I'm not concerned about this forum at the moment. The fixers tried to make access to this forum for UK members more difficult with the Online Safety Bill which was supposed to criminalise "legal but harmful" content and they hoped the "Stop Online Suicide Assistance Forum Act" would move forward, neither of that happened. And the people who celebrated the recent passing of the Online Safety Bill as a game changer despite its harmful effect on free speech and internet safety seem to underestimate the role of VPNs in this entire conversation, as there is a documented direct link between censorship and a surge in VPN usage. Their problem is, they have exhausted all options at this point and there aren't any legal angles left to take down this forum. Sure, they can hope for more articles and more Youtube videos about us, which will only make the forum more popular anyway, as I've outlined here. Their strategy so far clearly hasn't worked.
That's why they're resorting to personal harassement now, they know intimidating people who run this forum into submission is the only realistic way to get rid of this forum. And they know they can achieve that for example if they dox me. That was the goal of the NYT coverage back in 2021, in which the founders of this forum were the main subject of the article and intimidation was a huge factor of that hit piece. They had partial success and achieved their goal because the founders stepped down shorty after but the forum is still here because I'm still here. And that's a problem for the people who oppose this forum. So the fixers are trying to repeat that incident from 2021, this time targeting me in hopes I would step down because I'm the one running this community now. There is just one problem. They don't know who I am but for some reason, they think they do. And that's the point of this thread.
Now, what does that mean. Here are some examples. These following attachements are screenshots of Tweets from someone who is very obsessed with my identity, making lowkey threats into my direction. She has been doing that for a long time. Her Twitter account has since been deleted but the threats made in these Tweets still remain relevant to this day and I'll explain why in a bit. She made very clear in these Tweets that she thinks I'm a 50 years old trans-woman from New Mexico whose initials are "TAF", who has children and according to Catherine, is using donations to fund gender-affirming surgeries. Obviously, all these claims are false but let's go through these Tweets one by one.
Here she claims I'm 50 years old and that I live in New Mexico. That's not where I live and I'm not nearly 50 years old. I'm still in my twenties and I never made a big secret out of my age, the people who have known me for a bit longer can confirm these details aren't true.
Here is an example of them mentioning initials of what's supposed to be my name, "TAF". It's not my name nor do these initials resemble my real name.
Here she mentions me again, talking about children I'm supposed to have. There is just one problem. I don't have children and nothing is going to change that. I'm an anti-natalist, not just in theory but also in practice. I would never give up my freedom for offspring and since I'm a a trans woman who can't give birth, children are not an option. It's not that complicated.
And here she threatens to publish my face all over Twitter. Except it's not my face, it's the face of an innocent third party who for some reason got dragged into all of this because the fixers are unable and unwilling to fact-check their own accusations towards me but I'll explain that in a bit.
And in this Tweet Catherine claims donations are used to fund my surgeries.
First of all, no, donations aren't used to fund surgeries and I'm not sure why you believe I had "gender reassignment surgery". I never said I did and I don't see why that's anyone's business. What I can say is that all my trans-related surgeries and procedures so far were covered by insurance, all of them. It's simple, I live in a country where this type of medical procedure is covered by basic health insurance. Crazy, right? Well, that happens when you live in a civilized country. I could of course prove all of that in a court of law, there are health care documents which prove my health insurance paid for every single dollar of these treatments. But that's never going to happen because we'll never see each other in such a scenario, where I would have to defend myself in a court, as this website clearly isn't illegal and I haven't committed any crimes. Again, there wouldn't have been a bill to make this forum illegal if this forum was illegal but I guess logic isn't the fixers' strength either. But the point is, I never had to pay for any surgery out of my own pocket, which means none of the donations were necessary to cover for any of them. The donations, all of them, go straight to the forum - for some reason these people forget that running a forum costs money too and as long as the donations cover the costs of the forum, there is nothing shady about that. You can also fact-check for yourself that the donations we have received so far simply aren't enough to cover very complicated and extensive trans-affirming surgeries, they're tens of thousands of dollars. The people who oppose this forum simply want to make me look like the bad guy, and trying to do that by spreading doubt among community members about the authencity of me as a person. As I said, all conventional options to take down this forum have been exhausted, without much success so everything that might make it more difficult to run this forum is the next step and that includes slander and lies to sabotage this community and in this particular incoming donations. They're the fuel the forum is running on.
Now, let's get to the most important question. Why am I responding to these accusations? Well, first of all it affects an innocent person, a real person - namely the person that is attacked in these screenshots and that's not me. That person exists. Yeah, these threats are meant to go into my direction but they're not actually hurting me, they're hurting an innocent person that has done nothing wrong. I know who they're referring to, by the way. The person they think to be me has been a member of our community for a long time and I'm not going to mention their name to protect their privacy because unlike the fixers, I don't dox people. I respect the privacy fo anyone who wishes to remain anonymous and that's the big difference between me and them. So that's why I had to create this response in consideration of the privacy of the person that's been targeted in these Tweets and that's why I'm not going to dive into any further details about that person. But that person is real and they're victim of this targeted harassment. And I've reached out to the victim of this harassment and I've talked to them about this entire situation and this post has been created with the approval of said person - just to make that clear.
Kelli just recently made the following announcement and I'm worried they'll go after this person again - and this time it will get even worse. So that's why I'm posting this thread now, to signalize that's not me. And if they continue to harass said person, it will be clear that they're doing that despite my best attempts to stop them and despite the very high chance that they're harming someone else, ignoring potential collateral damage. I can also assure that any violations of my right to privacy would be handled very differently, certainly not in a thread like this because there are other means to defend myself. All I can do right now, in this particular case, is speak out and make sure it's understood that this isn't me. And what's what I'm doing with this thread, I'm not going to be silent anymore when these people act like absolute assholes, I made that clear when Tantacrul posted his video, implying I'm the one who is harassing anyone.
And while we're talking about Kelli, this is a good moment to remind everyone that she has doxxed members of our community as well. The more you dig into this anti-choice cult, the more you realize that they're absolutely vicious and they don't care if their actions are the final push that makes someone commit suicide. Again, the targets of their harassment are struggling SaSu members, which they claim are so vulnerable they need to be "protected" from "harmful online content" with the Online Safety Bill. And it doesn't really make sense for people who claim to be pro-life to act like this. Members of our community are already suffering enough and they don't need this bullshit. Leave them alone.
And these are the same few people by the way who also control the narrative through intense interaction with the journalists who write all these anti-SaSu hit pieces, just saying. Maybe that gives you some insight as to why the reputation of our forum is horrible.
Now. Of course I can't prove that I'm not 50 years old and living in New Mexico without actually revealing my own identity but I don't think that's even necessary. None of their claims are substantiated even with a hint of evidence, so I don't think I need to explain myself. The sole purpose of this thread is to stand up for the victim of this abuse, make clear that's not me and also make clear that these people alone bear the consequences of their actions. That's it. The burden of proof lies on these predators to back up their absurd claims that I've been a completely different person all along, it's not my job to debunk any of that. But I made clear now that these people are targeting the wrong person and that's enough in my opinion. The only thing we share is the fact that we're both trans and maybe that's why they think we're the same person. Maybe they think the probability that there are two trans people on SaSu is so small that I have to be that person but here is a reality check - we have a shitload of trans people in this community so that alone isn't really evidence.
And look, technically I couldn't care less if they go after someone else - it adds a layer of protection for me, simply because it means people are looking in the wrong places to uncover my identity, right? Sure but I don't like that they're going after innocent people. That's another difference between the fixers and me. They love to lash out to suicidal people and make them feel more miserable, I don't. And that's the only reason why I'm responding to these accusations, because it's simply absolutely disgusting to harass and intimidate someone who has absolutely nothing to do with the operation of this forum. It's a shame they're dragging a third party into this but their actions have tremendous collateral damage. As I've said above, they doxxed people in the past and they've harassed members of our community to the point of suicide, this isn't the first time they act like predatory assholes. And look, I'm also not going to simply ignore the fact that someone of my communities has been attacked. This is a member of SaSu and a member of the trans community, both are communities I appreciate dearly so I'm definitely going to call out nasty bullshit when I see it.
I'm also responding to this predatory behavior because it affects my reputation too. They're claiming I'm a completely different person when I've never been deceptive about who I am. My story and my background has been consistent throughout the years. From 2018 to 2023 I've never changed my story once because I've been sincere and open about who I am. Everything I said about myself has been the truth, the people in my team know that and people who are my friends do so as well.
So let me address these accusations here for the last time.
No Angela, you obviously don't know who I am. Given what you've tweeted in the last few months, you have no idea - all you did is harm an innocent person. There is a good chance you'll never find out who I am and that's a good thing. As a law-abiding citizen I have a right to privacy, it's that simple. And I have erased any tracks to sensitive information long before I became a member of this forum. So yeah, good luck finding any crumbles that lead to my identity. I wouldn't run this forum and expose myself to potential harm if I had massive online foodprint, don't you think? If there was information out there about my specific location, family members, my full name or when I was born (as you think that's my information), I wouldn't be in this position right now. I mean, that's pretty obvious. And I can also assure you that leaking any confidental information about the person you're targeting in these Tweets isn't going to end the forum's existence. Even if it was my information, it wouldn't, just to make that clear.
I've said it in the past and I'm going to say it again. These people are predators and they are preying on suicidal people under the disguise and with the justification of being 'grieving parents'. That's literally all they do. These screenshots are clear evidence for their disgusting behavior and it gets worse when you look at their long and extensive history of abuse towards members of our forum, the person that's been targeted in these Tweets isn't the only member that's been on the receiving end of their harassmentt, quite a few members could tell stories if they still were alive. But I might pick that up in the future and dedicate an entire thread to all the harassment they've done throughout the years. I have the receipts. I can tell the stories. And I'm done looking the other way. These predators need to get exposed, period.
Oh, and if you think what you've seen in these Tweets was bad, here is a little secret. I have intentionally left out more evidence that proves that they have been stalking the victim in this case and posting pictures of her too but as I said, I'm only posting evidence in this thread that protects the privacy of said person and that's why you only see a selected amount of Tweets, which don't contain identifying information. But it's a lot worse than this, let me tell you that. This entire thread only provides a small insight into the depraved behavior of these predators.
So yeah. I've planned this thread for a while but the due to the high chance they might lash out at an some random trans woman again, I felt the need to address the situation as quickly as possible. I hope they'll finally move on. I hope they'll seek therapy because they really need it, let's be honest. They think harming other will compensate for their pain of their loss but that's not how you heal. I've been through grief myself and that's not how I processed my emotions. And sincere question, do you see good actors in these Tweets? I don't. This here isn't the right way to go about it and I hope someday they will realize they have completely lost the plot. What started as activism to raise awareness about a forum back in 2019 has ended in targeted harassment towards suicidal individuals with the goal to ruin their lives, simply because the forum they've tried to deplatform is still up after all these years. Maybe sometimes it's better to take the L on a certain subject (because we're not going anywhere) than to end up being exposed as a predator on this forum. Just some food for thought.
It's a really unpleasant subject but it's important to talk about this. Thanks for your attention.
As some of you know, there are a bunch of people out there on Twitter, campaigning to get this forum shut down - without much success, of course. We're still here and we just recently had our five years anniversary, which is amazing and I'm confident we will stay around for a long time. I'm not concerned about this forum at the moment. The fixers tried to make access to this forum for UK members more difficult with the Online Safety Bill which was supposed to criminalise "legal but harmful" content and they hoped the "Stop Online Suicide Assistance Forum Act" would move forward, neither of that happened. And the people who celebrated the recent passing of the Online Safety Bill as a game changer despite its harmful effect on free speech and internet safety seem to underestimate the role of VPNs in this entire conversation, as there is a documented direct link between censorship and a surge in VPN usage. Their problem is, they have exhausted all options at this point and there aren't any legal angles left to take down this forum. Sure, they can hope for more articles and more Youtube videos about us, which will only make the forum more popular anyway, as I've outlined here. Their strategy so far clearly hasn't worked.
That's why they're resorting to personal harassement now, they know intimidating people who run this forum into submission is the only realistic way to get rid of this forum. And they know they can achieve that for example if they dox me. That was the goal of the NYT coverage back in 2021, in which the founders of this forum were the main subject of the article and intimidation was a huge factor of that hit piece. They had partial success and achieved their goal because the founders stepped down shorty after but the forum is still here because I'm still here. And that's a problem for the people who oppose this forum. So the fixers are trying to repeat that incident from 2021, this time targeting me in hopes I would step down because I'm the one running this community now. There is just one problem. They don't know who I am but for some reason, they think they do. And that's the point of this thread.
Now, what does that mean. Here are some examples. These following attachements are screenshots of Tweets from someone who is very obsessed with my identity, making lowkey threats into my direction. She has been doing that for a long time. Her Twitter account has since been deleted but the threats made in these Tweets still remain relevant to this day and I'll explain why in a bit. She made very clear in these Tweets that she thinks I'm a 50 years old trans-woman from New Mexico whose initials are "TAF", who has children and according to Catherine, is using donations to fund gender-affirming surgeries. Obviously, all these claims are false but let's go through these Tweets one by one.
Here she claims I'm 50 years old and that I live in New Mexico. That's not where I live and I'm not nearly 50 years old. I'm still in my twenties and I never made a big secret out of my age, the people who have known me for a bit longer can confirm these details aren't true.
Here is an example of them mentioning initials of what's supposed to be my name, "TAF". It's not my name nor do these initials resemble my real name.
Here she mentions me again, talking about children I'm supposed to have. There is just one problem. I don't have children and nothing is going to change that. I'm an anti-natalist, not just in theory but also in practice. I would never give up my freedom for offspring and since I'm a a trans woman who can't give birth, children are not an option. It's not that complicated.
And here she threatens to publish my face all over Twitter. Except it's not my face, it's the face of an innocent third party who for some reason got dragged into all of this because the fixers are unable and unwilling to fact-check their own accusations towards me but I'll explain that in a bit.
And in this Tweet Catherine claims donations are used to fund my surgeries.
First of all, no, donations aren't used to fund surgeries and I'm not sure why you believe I had "gender reassignment surgery". I never said I did and I don't see why that's anyone's business. What I can say is that all my trans-related surgeries and procedures so far were covered by insurance, all of them. It's simple, I live in a country where this type of medical procedure is covered by basic health insurance. Crazy, right? Well, that happens when you live in a civilized country. I could of course prove all of that in a court of law, there are health care documents which prove my health insurance paid for every single dollar of these treatments. But that's never going to happen because we'll never see each other in such a scenario, where I would have to defend myself in a court, as this website clearly isn't illegal and I haven't committed any crimes. Again, there wouldn't have been a bill to make this forum illegal if this forum was illegal but I guess logic isn't the fixers' strength either. But the point is, I never had to pay for any surgery out of my own pocket, which means none of the donations were necessary to cover for any of them. The donations, all of them, go straight to the forum - for some reason these people forget that running a forum costs money too and as long as the donations cover the costs of the forum, there is nothing shady about that. You can also fact-check for yourself that the donations we have received so far simply aren't enough to cover very complicated and extensive trans-affirming surgeries, they're tens of thousands of dollars. The people who oppose this forum simply want to make me look like the bad guy, and trying to do that by spreading doubt among community members about the authencity of me as a person. As I said, all conventional options to take down this forum have been exhausted, without much success so everything that might make it more difficult to run this forum is the next step and that includes slander and lies to sabotage this community and in this particular incoming donations. They're the fuel the forum is running on.
Now, let's get to the most important question. Why am I responding to these accusations? Well, first of all it affects an innocent person, a real person - namely the person that is attacked in these screenshots and that's not me. That person exists. Yeah, these threats are meant to go into my direction but they're not actually hurting me, they're hurting an innocent person that has done nothing wrong. I know who they're referring to, by the way. The person they think to be me has been a member of our community for a long time and I'm not going to mention their name to protect their privacy because unlike the fixers, I don't dox people. I respect the privacy fo anyone who wishes to remain anonymous and that's the big difference between me and them. So that's why I had to create this response in consideration of the privacy of the person that's been targeted in these Tweets and that's why I'm not going to dive into any further details about that person. But that person is real and they're victim of this targeted harassment. And I've reached out to the victim of this harassment and I've talked to them about this entire situation and this post has been created with the approval of said person - just to make that clear.
Kelli just recently made the following announcement and I'm worried they'll go after this person again - and this time it will get even worse. So that's why I'm posting this thread now, to signalize that's not me. And if they continue to harass said person, it will be clear that they're doing that despite my best attempts to stop them and despite the very high chance that they're harming someone else, ignoring potential collateral damage. I can also assure that any violations of my right to privacy would be handled very differently, certainly not in a thread like this because there are other means to defend myself. All I can do right now, in this particular case, is speak out and make sure it's understood that this isn't me. And what's what I'm doing with this thread, I'm not going to be silent anymore when these people act like absolute assholes, I made that clear when Tantacrul posted his video, implying I'm the one who is harassing anyone.
And while we're talking about Kelli, this is a good moment to remind everyone that she has doxxed members of our community as well. The more you dig into this anti-choice cult, the more you realize that they're absolutely vicious and they don't care if their actions are the final push that makes someone commit suicide. Again, the targets of their harassment are struggling SaSu members, which they claim are so vulnerable they need to be "protected" from "harmful online content" with the Online Safety Bill. And it doesn't really make sense for people who claim to be pro-life to act like this. Members of our community are already suffering enough and they don't need this bullshit. Leave them alone.
And these are the same few people by the way who also control the narrative through intense interaction with the journalists who write all these anti-SaSu hit pieces, just saying. Maybe that gives you some insight as to why the reputation of our forum is horrible.
Now. Of course I can't prove that I'm not 50 years old and living in New Mexico without actually revealing my own identity but I don't think that's even necessary. None of their claims are substantiated even with a hint of evidence, so I don't think I need to explain myself. The sole purpose of this thread is to stand up for the victim of this abuse, make clear that's not me and also make clear that these people alone bear the consequences of their actions. That's it. The burden of proof lies on these predators to back up their absurd claims that I've been a completely different person all along, it's not my job to debunk any of that. But I made clear now that these people are targeting the wrong person and that's enough in my opinion. The only thing we share is the fact that we're both trans and maybe that's why they think we're the same person. Maybe they think the probability that there are two trans people on SaSu is so small that I have to be that person but here is a reality check - we have a shitload of trans people in this community so that alone isn't really evidence.
And look, technically I couldn't care less if they go after someone else - it adds a layer of protection for me, simply because it means people are looking in the wrong places to uncover my identity, right? Sure but I don't like that they're going after innocent people. That's another difference between the fixers and me. They love to lash out to suicidal people and make them feel more miserable, I don't. And that's the only reason why I'm responding to these accusations, because it's simply absolutely disgusting to harass and intimidate someone who has absolutely nothing to do with the operation of this forum. It's a shame they're dragging a third party into this but their actions have tremendous collateral damage. As I've said above, they doxxed people in the past and they've harassed members of our community to the point of suicide, this isn't the first time they act like predatory assholes. And look, I'm also not going to simply ignore the fact that someone of my communities has been attacked. This is a member of SaSu and a member of the trans community, both are communities I appreciate dearly so I'm definitely going to call out nasty bullshit when I see it.
I'm also responding to this predatory behavior because it affects my reputation too. They're claiming I'm a completely different person when I've never been deceptive about who I am. My story and my background has been consistent throughout the years. From 2018 to 2023 I've never changed my story once because I've been sincere and open about who I am. Everything I said about myself has been the truth, the people in my team know that and people who are my friends do so as well.
So let me address these accusations here for the last time.
No Angela, you obviously don't know who I am. Given what you've tweeted in the last few months, you have no idea - all you did is harm an innocent person. There is a good chance you'll never find out who I am and that's a good thing. As a law-abiding citizen I have a right to privacy, it's that simple. And I have erased any tracks to sensitive information long before I became a member of this forum. So yeah, good luck finding any crumbles that lead to my identity. I wouldn't run this forum and expose myself to potential harm if I had massive online foodprint, don't you think? If there was information out there about my specific location, family members, my full name or when I was born (as you think that's my information), I wouldn't be in this position right now. I mean, that's pretty obvious. And I can also assure you that leaking any confidental information about the person you're targeting in these Tweets isn't going to end the forum's existence. Even if it was my information, it wouldn't, just to make that clear.
I've said it in the past and I'm going to say it again. These people are predators and they are preying on suicidal people under the disguise and with the justification of being 'grieving parents'. That's literally all they do. These screenshots are clear evidence for their disgusting behavior and it gets worse when you look at their long and extensive history of abuse towards members of our forum, the person that's been targeted in these Tweets isn't the only member that's been on the receiving end of their harassmentt, quite a few members could tell stories if they still were alive. But I might pick that up in the future and dedicate an entire thread to all the harassment they've done throughout the years. I have the receipts. I can tell the stories. And I'm done looking the other way. These predators need to get exposed, period.
Oh, and if you think what you've seen in these Tweets was bad, here is a little secret. I have intentionally left out more evidence that proves that they have been stalking the victim in this case and posting pictures of her too but as I said, I'm only posting evidence in this thread that protects the privacy of said person and that's why you only see a selected amount of Tweets, which don't contain identifying information. But it's a lot worse than this, let me tell you that. This entire thread only provides a small insight into the depraved behavior of these predators.
So yeah. I've planned this thread for a while but the due to the high chance they might lash out at an some random trans woman again, I felt the need to address the situation as quickly as possible. I hope they'll finally move on. I hope they'll seek therapy because they really need it, let's be honest. They think harming other will compensate for their pain of their loss but that's not how you heal. I've been through grief myself and that's not how I processed my emotions. And sincere question, do you see good actors in these Tweets? I don't. This here isn't the right way to go about it and I hope someday they will realize they have completely lost the plot. What started as activism to raise awareness about a forum back in 2019 has ended in targeted harassment towards suicidal individuals with the goal to ruin their lives, simply because the forum they've tried to deplatform is still up after all these years. Maybe sometimes it's better to take the L on a certain subject (because we're not going anywhere) than to end up being exposed as a predator on this forum. Just some food for thought.
It's a really unpleasant subject but it's important to talk about this. Thanks for your attention.
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Here's to defeating these monsters.
