Discussion Mental health law neutrality petitions.

[MichaelSandBL]

Most countries have some similar law so I'm going to try to avoid referencing a specific law so this could be more broadly applied but in subsequent posts probably should be specific.
It's pretty common to have qualified rights and unqualified rights the latter are in all circumstances illegal for the state to infringe upon the former only to those not detained (excluding those with compulsory treatment orders in community)

My intent is not to be a sovereign citizen who BTFOs with fax and logistics but bring up petitioning parliament's etc to make a statement on neutrality or clarification on a policy.

So here's the meat and potatoes of this post:
Mental health laws generally have a clause to "protect" suicidal persons regardless of if suicide is legal in that country.
But human rights laws have unqualified rights to hold opinions especially religious except explicitly banned opinions (for example banned political parties) though the text will generally not mention that.

Therefore right to die is protected as an option but being known to have such an opinion or being a member of Dignitas or a local advocacy group will be held against the one subject to the mental health law in tribunals.

So that's why we have people of sound mind Incarcerated in institutions or autistics etc who have only the refusal to discharge them due to lack of "community support" keeping them in.

Given that these places can make people feel worse this just perpetuates a vicious cycle.

Some protection against someone being held solely on desire to die is a frontier on the right to die cause.
Would a well written petition help, not to make it pro-choice but instead ask for neutrality to be written into the law on right to die.

 

[Forever Sleep]

I wonder if you said it was your firm religious belief that you should be allowed to die- whether they could do anything... Does it have to be a recognised religion?

 

[MichaelSandBL]

Here is UK but similar laws exist in most countries.

Human Rights Act 1998

An Act to give further effect to rights and freedoms guaranteed under the European Convention on Human Rights; to make provision with respect to holders of certain judicial offices who become judges of the European Court of Human Rights; and for connected purposes.

www.legislation.gov.uk

Freedom of thought, conscience and religion

1Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief, in worship, teaching, practice and observance.

2Freedom to manifest one's religion or beliefs shall be subject only to such limitations as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society in the interests of public safety, for the protection of public order, health or morals, or for the protection of the rights and freedoms of others.

I wonder if you said it was your firm religious belief that you should be allowed to die- whether they could do anything... Does it have to be a recognised religion?

In the UK this would be technically covered by section 1

But limited by you not having right to manifest beliefs, you can have the belief and express it.

However if you are a prisoner(including mental health acts) or under supervision following realease they don't let you do it if they can catch you.
This is where they often do overstep and began illegal mission creep.

This is the grey area that should be focused on to petition
Technically humanist is a religion.

Sometimes they are based af
"We can and should learn from Canada to create laws that are right for the UK but UK legislators should not deny people here the right to make decisions about the end of their lives."

Countering misinformation: assisted dying in Canada

Humanists UK has published a report on Canada’s assisted dying legislation, in light of recent coverage in UK media and elsewhere that has expressed concern about how the law is working. We have analysed the various claims in this coverage in order to see if there are real problems and, if so...

humanists.uk

In the UK there is a proposal in Scotland with similarities to MAID and a successful law passed in Jersey which is an overseas territory Guernsey tried and failed but the fact these are in the public discourse gives more mainstream focus on the topic.

It's also worth mentioning that UK still occasionally arrests people for accompanying sick family to dignitas under an amendment to the suicide act but this is only in England and Wales.

MAiD excludes suffering from mental health until next year but there's a plan to enable that in the future so it's uncertain what hoops you got to jump through to get on

Medical assistance in dying - Canada.ca

About medical assistance in dying and the new legislation.

www.canada.ca

"The original temporary exclusion was intended to provide the Government of Canada and health professional bodies time to advance and implement appropriate clinical guidance for safely assessing and providing MAID to those whose only medical condition is a mental illness.

To support this work, in August 2021, the Government of Canada established an Expert Panel on MAID and Mental Illness tasked with making recommendations on protocols, guidance and safeguards to apply to requests for MAID by persons who have a mental illness."