Millions of people desperately need organs, and want to live! Millions of people are suffering and want to die, with perfectly good organs to donate.

[Praying 4 a Miracle]

If all of the adult people who are suffering and wish to die, were to simply donate their organs for the people who need them and desperately want to live, then many might say that this is the perfect situation.

The big problem however, (as Forever Sleep has just pointed out), is that DYI suicide makes organ donation impossible.

This is why the world needs to get more organized, and needs to stop demonizing the people in this life who are suffering and want to end it. Legal assisted dying needs to become the only form of suicide necessary in societies around the world.

The math is simple, millions of people need organs, and millions of people are suffering and want to die. It seems like a pretty win-win situation to me!

To make the argument even more compelling, one organ donor can save the lives of up to eight people. Tissue and eye donations can improve the lives of up to 75 more.

Even though this seems like an overly simplistic argument, sometimes simplifying things can bring them into focus, and accentuate their importance.

If we can make even just one really good political argument or platform for politicians to use, then we can forever do away with all of these painful and dangerous suicide methods.

This is just one really good argument, another would be the fact that AI and automation are continuously advancing and permanently replacing millions of jobs every single day. What are people going to do to support themselves? The only really good solution to that problem, is universal basic income. The big problem with UBI, is that it is incredibly expensive. The obvious solution to that problem, is to have fewer people who need it.

Everyone has a different opinion about organ donation, some for religious reasons, and some not. Everyone's wishes should of course be 100% respected, no matter what. But there is a real opportunity here, to improve the lives of many people who are suffering, some who desperately want to live, and some who desperately do not. Preventing this exchange from happening (for those who consent), seems completely cruel and ridiculous to me. Does anyone else agree?

 

[mehwhoknows]

ur gone, i never undestood the concept of ethics post deaths, u are literally done, u will be nothing, no signal, no voice, no mind, presence, no ego, no reputation, no sense of moral superiority

why do you care so much? will the joy really make u feel that much more satisfied in your final sorrowful moments? it makes no sense, this is good just for the sake of "good"

what is ethical in that final moment where ur brain basically dies it giving it as much joy as it can conceive, the deficiency is the reason were suicidal, was society that loving to you where now youd almost gaslight others into becoming organ donors, what are those extra lives really doing, what are they to YOUR MIND

please tell me what you think, i dont mean to sound too aggressive or offended, ive felt this way for a while tho, and have never heard a convicnign argument

 

[N7_Alliance_Marine]

Fuck that bullshit. I'm not getting gutted open like a cow. "Muh, but you'll be dead though" yes I will and I want my body left alone and cremated.

 

[Forever Sleep]

I think this is a very strong argument. Obviously, it shouldn't be compulsory- it may be against a person's wishes or beliefs. But definitely, I think a lot of people on this site feel sad that if they go out via the DIY route, they likely won't be able to donate their organs.

Speaking in mercenary terms too- police investigations won't need to be held to ascertain a cause of death. Police/ other first responders/ family members or just random members of the public won't need to be traumatized coming across a corpse. We wouldn't need to make a mess of ourselves or our surroundings. Plus, people could be notified and get the chance to say goodbye. They could even be with their love ones at the end. The shock element of a sudden suicide would be diminished.

Some will argue that an adult shouldn't need to get approval or, even tell their families. I don't think that's sustainable though. We need society at large to change it's opinions on the right to die. Continuing to keep suicide hidden and secretive won't help in that. Plus, parents will sometimes go ballistic if they are not informed and do everything they can to stop such a programme.

Plus, it would also mean there could be specialists who help both the person and their family cope with the decision throughout the entire process.

 

[Praying 4 a Miracle]

ur gone, i never undestood the concept of ethics post deaths, u are literally done, u will be nothing, no signal, no voice, no mind, presence, no ego, no reputation, no sense of moral superiority

why do you care so much? will the joy really make u feel that much more satisfied in your final sorrowful moments? it makes no sense, this is good just for the sake of "good"

what is ethical in that final moment where ur brain basically dies it giving it as much joy as it can conceive, the deficiency is the reason were suicidal, was society that loving to you where now youd almost gaslight others into becoming organ donors, what are those extra lives really doing, what are they to YOUR MIND

please tell me what you think, i dont mean to sound too aggressive or offended, ive felt this way for a while tho, and have never heard a convicnign argument

I get what you're saying, basically why care so much about what's going on here on Earth if we're heading to the next realm anyway. I guess I still feel like there's a point to us being here, in being alive in the first place. I figure why even exist if we can't do some good in the world.

Ever since I slid off the tracks a few years ago, and went from being happy and content to suffering, I've been trying to find some point to it. Some reason for what happened. I'm trying to turn it into something positive. I believe in human equality, that we all matter equally. So if we can help even just a few people's lives become much better, let alone hundreds of millions, I'd say it's a pretty good day, even if we are suffering.

If I was still happy and healthy, I would never have stumbled across this forum, and I never would have paid much attention to this desperate situation that so many people are in. So I'm starting to think that there is a reason for why I'm suffering, and maybe the reason is that now I really care, and now I really pay attention. There's only so much that one individual can do though, it takes many to make big changes like this.

What we believe about the afterlife dramatically affects how we view things on Earth. If we believe there is no afterlife and it's just nothing, then we tend to care much less about what happens here. If we do believe there's an afterlife, we tend to care much more about what happens here, even after we're gone. You asked me what I think, so there it is. Trying to turn lemons into lemonade.

 

[Ironborn]

Honestly this would probably change my mind on organ donation, I was always kinda "meh" on the issue but I hardened against it when here in the UK the government introduced a presumed consent/opt out system.
Just kinda rustled my jimmies that the government had basically stuck a claim in me unless I said otherwise, I opted out pretty much straight away.
But if I get a safe/guaranteed ride on the bus in exchange for donating my organs, I'd be willing to entertain the idea.

 

[nothingbutmybest]

Like you put it, it is overly simplistic. The food and housing problem is more a matter of fair wealth redistribution. There are solutions to struggling to live besides UBI and there are solutions to not having money besides killing people who'd otherwise use it. AI and automation taking over millions of jobs is purely speculative as current research still clearly shows that AI is creating more workload than it is reducing.

Oh and because we care about people, we can't make suicide too accessible because the biggest issue is people who are only temporarily upset to the point of losing reason can easily fake being sane long enough to kill themselves for no good reason. Even if they're a minority, we don't want to kill anyone who could've been easily helped.

 

[uglyugly]

I respect your opinion, but I feel strongly against organ donation for me: NO. No fucking way. Not a chance in hell! I carry a refusal card in my wallet and those fuckers had better read it before they start slicing me up.

Why? First, a person MUST be alive when things like the heart are removed. MUST. You can be declared brain dead, but are technically still alive when they start playing slice and dice. Do any one us really know if a person can be conscious of what is happening to them at that moment? Nope. Science doesn't understand 1% of fucking anything, so how can they be certain the person isn't aware on some level that their body is being stripped of its life? Fuck that.

Second, at least in the US, money changes hands. Yes, it's illegal to sell organs, but it's not illegal for a surgeon to make money off cutting open my "dead" body nor cutting someone else open. The person who transports the organs makes money. Hospitals, nurses, and everyone makes money. That's ok, but I am not for sale, nor is my body. I don't need some surgeon buying his third vacation home by butchering me.

Third, I hate big medicine and don't believe for one second that they give a flying fuck what they'd do to my dead body.

Fourth, I believe my energy lives in every bit of me. I don't want my energy trapped in someone else's body. When I die, I want to rest... not be forced on inside someone else. That's unprovable, of course, but I believe it could happen and no one can prove it does not.

This body is mine, and as much as I hate it most days, I'll be damned if I am letting big medicine slice me apart like a junkyard scraps for car parts. It's disrespectful to my body and to my spirit. I'm nobody's goddamn spare parts machine. I don;t know why I was put on this planet, but that was not the reason.

Fuck that bullshit. I'm not getting gutted open like a cow. "Muh, but you'll be dead though" yes I will and I want my body left alone and cremated.

Amen, fuck that already.

 

[Praying 4 a Miracle]

This is why we can all choose what happens to our body when we die, and those choices must 100% be respected. However, the vast majority of people do want to donate their organs to others. In my country of Canada, it's 81%. Also, they do many tests to make sure someone is completely dead before they start. More tests in fact that people who do not donate.

 

[MatrixPrisoner]

My liver is probably shot, from all the alchol and psych meds I've taken over the years. I wish I took better care if so it could be of use after my death.

 

[Praestat_Mori]

I won't donate organs bc like @uglyugly already said - you still have to be alive and brain dead just means the brain isn't working anymore but we actually don't know what the brain dead person really feels. I also won't ask for organs to prolong my life if I'm already that dead. I would gladly die peacefully in this case.

The better way would be to develop a method how to grow our own organs from our own stem cells! That would be the way to go!