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pyx

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ADD-diagnosed, undiagnosed throughout school. failed almost everything academic. inattentive, often called slow. dopamine circuitry was fried during this period, as i spent all waking hours outside of class playing videogames, never studying nor socializing. went through school in a constant haze. by the end of it, i had left with a less than stellar ranking, which meant that i could not go to university. worked for a few years, learnt all that i could during this period. realized that i had learnt nothing in school, not even the basics. would make simple mistakes at all my blue-collar jobs. felt like trying to navigate in the dark.

re-educated myself, but almost to no avail. the critical period of neuro-plasticity during my developmental years had long become fixed, and without the aid of medication i was easily below 80iq points. not only in the lack of concepts, but in a lack of analytic ability, such as dyscalculia. medication restores me to a baseline level of functionality.

things started to pick up again after i started taking stimulants, which really opened my eyes to everything that i had missed out on. things could have been different, but i was left subject to the will of adults who felt that i merely needed to pull up my bootstraps, in the old neoliberal fashion that decries complete surrender to the antagonistic forces of competition.

i don't understand the dialogue which leads to guilt-tripping and crying victimhood on the part of adults who i have spoken to in the past on this issue. they treat it as something which i need to accept, that if it isn't laziness, then it is mental retardation, which i am supposed to just accept. then i suggest that this would serve as a good rationale for suicide, in that the burden of recognizing how unintelligent one is would be unbearable, seemingly revealed in momentary bursts of cognizance. no, you should keep living. it's unfair to others.

it's so circular. you don't offer proper support early on, assign blame to those who are chalked up to be retarded, lazy or whatever pejorative remark fits the bill, then claim that no, actually, you have a responsibility to your family, that your problems are selfish, impersonal retorts from a juvenile mind, and that you should continue to live for the sake of others. no, you have to pull up your bootstraps again!

i'm in no position to give, and certainly not in a position to compete with others, of whom have been bred into suitable conditions for learning, socializing, etc., all of which are things that i can't organically obtain without going the extra mile, constantly theorycrafting shortcuts which, at the end of the day, i can't implement. without the use of medication, i am sluggish, retarded, lame. i've tried so far to fill in the blanks, but it's, again, a miles-long road. recently, i've had no energy to do anything, probably due to depression. medication only dulls my senses now.

honestly, i really envy people that are in university. i feel like i've been dealt such an unfair hand. i know that i shouldn't sink into my own victimhood, but i can't help but be spurred on by antipathy for this fucking rat-race. i just wish things had been different

don't know if this will make sense. i'm typing in a fog right now. only thing i know for certain is this: i fucking hate my life, my past, my future. i want to die.
 
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bluefeather177

bluefeather177

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Mar 2, 2023
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ADD-diagnosed, undiagnosed throughout school. failed almost everything academic. inattentive, often called slow. dopamine circuitry was fried during this period, as i spent all waking hours outside of class playing videogames, never studying nor socializing. went through school in a constant haze. by the end of it, i had left with a less than stellar ranking, which meant that i could not go to university. worked for a few years, learnt all that i could during this period. realized that i had learnt nothing in school, not even the basics. would make simple mistakes at all my blue-collar jobs. felt like trying to navigate in the dark.

re-educated myself, but almost to no avail. the critical period of neuro-plasticity during my developmental years had long become fixed, and without the aid of medication i was easily below 80iq points. not only in the lack of concepts, but in a lack of analytic ability, such as dyscalculia. medication restores me to a baseline level of functionality.

things started to pick up again after i started taking stimulants, which really opened my eyes to everything that i had missed out on. things could have been different, but i was left subject to the will of adults who felt that i merely needed to pull up my bootstraps, in the old neoliberal fashion that decries complete surrender to the antagonistic forces of competition.

i don't understand the dialogue which leads to guilt-tripping and crying victimhood on the part of adults who i have spoken to in the past on this issue. they treat it as something which i need to accept, that if it isn't laziness, then it is mental retardation, which i am supposed to just accept. then i suggest that this would serve as a good rationale for suicide, in that the burden of recognizing how unintelligent one is would be unbearable, seemingly revealed in momentary bursts of cognizance. no, you should keep living. it's unfair to others.

it's so circular. you don't offer proper support early on, assign blame to those who are chalked up to be retarded, lazy or whatever pejorative remark fits the bill, then claim that no, actually, you have a responsibility to your family, that your problems are selfish, impersonal retorts from a juvenile mind, and that you should continue to live for the sake of others. no, you have to pull up your bootstraps again!

i'm in no position to give, and certainly not in a position to compete with others, of whom have been bred into suitable conditions for learning, socializing, etc., all of which are things that i can't organically obtain without going the extra mile, constantly theorycrafting shortcuts which, at the end of the day, i can't implement. without the use of medication, i am sluggish, retarded, lame. i've tried so far to fill in the blanks, but it's, again, a miles-long road. recently, i've had no energy to do anything, probably due to depression. medication only dulls my senses now.

honestly, i really envy people that are in university. i feel like i've been dealt such an unfair hand. i know that i shouldn't sink into my own victimhood, but i can't help but be spurred on by antipathy for this fucking rat-race. i just wish things had been different

don't know if this will make sense. i'm typing in a fog right now. only thing i know for certain is this: i fucking hate my life, my past, my future. i want to die.
I really relate to a lot of this. I went undiagnosed for a very long time and only recently was medicated for it. I lost years of my life to a school system that was set up for me to fail, and then people have the audacity to act like I should have just "focused more."

I will say that you are incredibly articulate and have a very expansive vocabulary based on this post. I don't mean to say this to invalidate your experiences or frustrations with your own limitations. I just point it out because I think in spite of other issues mentioned like dyscalculia, you seem very capable with your words.

I'm not sure where you live and whether there are options for your education with a poor school background such as technical schools, but I hope you find peace in whatever path you decide to take in life or death.
 
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I really relate to a lot of this. I went undiagnosed for a very long time and only recently was medicated for it. I lost years of my life to a school system that was set up for me to fail, and then people have the audacity to act like I should have just "focused more."

I will say that you are incredibly articulate and have a very expansive vocabulary based on this post. I don't mean to say this to invalidate your experiences or frustrations with your own limitations. I just point it out because I think in spite of other issues mentioned like dyscalculia, you seem very capable with your words.

I'm not sure where you live and whether there are options for your education with a poor school background such as technical schools, but I hope you find peace in whatever path you decide to take in life or death.
dyscalculia outweighs any value to my schizoposting. a constant reminder that i am defective, that there is no cope strong or restorative enough to give me hope

i'm sorry that the educational system also failed you. school selectively regulates out those who are deemed "failures", the unobserved lives which are not offered appropriate support networks; educators are sympathique to honour-roll students, not the adjunct middlers or bottom-of-the-barrelers. you can even see this in cases of suicide, those that were considered highly intelligent are deemed tragic thinkers, too cerebral to conform to this insipid life, lost to their ingenium, comments which are invariably always followed by obligatory condolences from apathetic observers. if i were to die, i would undoubtedly be considered some pathetic rube without the capacity for critical thought

i would like to go back to school, but right now i am working. i don't have money, and i've bled my savings dry. i really need to get on top of things atp.

by the way, did you bounce back from your failures in school? i'm curious since you sound like you are in a similar position to me
 
bluefeather177

bluefeather177

drowsy in a dark room
Mar 2, 2023
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by the way, did you bounce back from your failures in school? i'm curious since you sound like you are in a similar position to me
I have somewhat. I'm in community college currently and hoping to transfer in a few years. I'm very lucky to have been medicated finally and begun to work out my damaging beliefs about being a failure. I did well last semester but with my mental health in the gutter currently, I am worried that my grades will suffer. But things have been worse for me and can still go up from here.
re-educated myself, but almost to no avail. the critical period of neuro-plasticity during my developmental years had long become fixed, and without the aid of medication i was easily below 80iq points. not only in the lack of concepts, but in a lack of analytic ability, such as dyscalculia. medication restores me to a baseline level of functionality.
Going back to this part of your original comment, I have noticed that I am incredibly stupid when not medicated. I am taking math courses and I once took my pill far too late for it to be effective during lecture. I sat in that class feeling incredibly slow and stupid compared to everyone until it kicked in and I was able to follow it better. I notice such a big difference in my analytical capabilities when I am medicated vs not medicated, and I wouldn't call myself below average. I think that's incredibly normal for people with ADHD. If medication levels you out to about average, there are many areas of study you can succeed in as long as you are dedicated. Medication was only half the battle for me, the other half was keeping myself disciplined and not giving up when faced with setbacks or initial failure. (had a LOT of trauma related to school to unpack to be able to do that)

Can I ask how old you are, considering your comments about neuroplasticity?
 
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pyx

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I have somewhat. I'm in community college currently and hoping to transfer in a few years. I'm very lucky to have been medicated finally and begun to work out my damaging beliefs about being a failure. I did well last semester but with my mental health in the gutter currently, I am worried that my grades will suffer. But things have been worse for me and can still go up from here.

Going back to this part of your original comment, I have noticed that I am incredibly stupid when not medicated. I am taking math courses and I once took my pill far too late for it to be effective during lecture. I sat in that class feeling incredibly slow and stupid compared to everyone until it kicked in and I was able to follow it better. I notice such a big difference in my analytical capabilities when I am medicated vs not medicated, and I wouldn't call myself below average. I think that's incredibly normal for people with ADHD. If medication levels you out to about average, there are many areas of study you can succeed in as long as you are dedicated. Medication was only half the battle for me, the other half was keeping myself disciplined and not giving up when faced with setbacks or initial failure. (had a LOT of trauma related to school to unpack to be able to do that)

Can I ask how old you are, considering your comments about neuroplasticity?
yeah, i just envy people who had no problems developing. everyone i know is going to university, and i consider them to be far more intelligent than i am

I am twenty, but I've plateaued intellectually. medication is the only thing that helps me feel normal. I probably also have some trauma from school to unpack (being told I'm worthless, unable to defend myself against those more academically and socially inclined, calibrated to surrender due to self-pity)

studies which contradict my current views on my own neuroplasticity might help me cope, but right now I feel with every fibre of my being the limits of my thought, its an inane premise which keeps gnawing at my ego, and I'm powerless to change that

I'm glad to hear that you did well in school after being medicated. gives me a sliver of hope, so I appreciate that
 
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bluefeather177

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yeah, i just envy people who had no problems developing. everyone i know is going to university, and i consider them to be far more intelligent than i am

I am twenty, but I've plateaued intellectually. medication is the only thing that helps me feel normal. I probably also have some trauma from school to unpack (being told I'm worthless, unable to defend myself against those more academically and socially inclined, calibrated to surrender due to self-pity)

studies which contradict my current views on my own neuroplasticity might help me cope, but right now I feel with every fibre of my being the limits of my thought, its an inane premise which keeps gnawing at my ego, and I'm powerless to change that

I'm glad to hear that you did well in school after being medicated. gives me a sliver of hope, so I appreciate that
There are studies I could find to help convince you that 20 is far earlier than the end of your brain development, but I'll more simply tell you that I am 23, almost 24, and I only went back to college last spring.

I was very much the same as you when it came to the constant video games and internet throughout my teen years and fucking up my dopamine circuitry. I was a passenger in my own life, just working and turning my brain off until my long-term partner left me for someone who took control in their life. It forced me to either rethink my entire life or ctb, I could not take living that way anymore.

I decided my life was worth living still so I retaught myself math w/ Khan Academy. I let my professors know (granted this is community college so they are more personal than large universities) that I had been out of education for some time and went to their office hours, working through gaps in my knowledge and understanding. I got good grades not because I am innately intelligent but because I cast aside my ego that I should be innately intelligent and better than others and put in the work to do well. Many of the people I know in this world who are the most successful aren't people who are inherently smarter but they're people who don't let being bad at something stop them from trying and getting better at it over time. Sucking at something is an unavoidable part of learning. As ADHD people with poor emotional regulation, it feels like genuine pain to us, but it isn't something you are powerless to forever.

You are far from a hopeless case. I was older than you, and I definitely wasn't. You aren't powerless to change.

I hope you are able to work through and digest that trauma around school. It was the biggest roadblock for me with my education, and since you're medicated already I think it is for you too. I hope you're able to get the money you need to go back to college. I absolutely believe you can do it.
 
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There are studies I could find to help convince you that 20 is far earlier than the end of your brain development, but I'll more simply tell you that I am 23, almost 24, and I only went back to college last spring.
Your brain develops throughout the entirety of your life. Brain development only stops when you are dead. While we may focus heavily on brain development during infanthood, childhood, and adolescence due to those being periods where there tends to be a lot going on developmental-wise, there are a of psychologists who view brain development as something that continues past those stages in life.

Also, from what I know, intellect is innate. While intelligence can still be impacted by certain environmental factors, twin and family studies have found that there does seem to be a strong genetic component when it comes to IQ, especially as we age.
 
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bluefeather177

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Also, from what I know, intellect is innate. While intelligence can still be impacted by certain environmental factors, twin and family studies have found that there does seem to be a strong genetic component when it comes to IQ, especially as we age.
I can't argue this currently because I don't have the knowledge to or time to research, but my point was that raw intellect doesn't exactly correlate to success. There are a lot of very smart people who achieve very little and some less intelligent people who achieve a lot in their lives. Intellect can determine how quickly you learn certain things but things like analytical skills can absolutely be improved through practice and repetition. People can succeed despite cognitive challenges and genetic factors.
 
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I can't argue this currently because I don't have the knowledge to or time to research, but my point was that raw intellect doesn't exactly correlate to success. There are a lot of very smart people who achieve very little and some less intelligent people who achieve a lot in their lives. Intellect can determine how quickly you learn certain things but things like analytical skills can absolutely be improved through practice and repetition. People can succeed despite cognitive challenges and genetic factors.
I mean, I'd imagine that there probably would be a correlation between intelligence and success, especially if you are talking about success within certain fields, like physics. Even if some people can succeed despite cognitive challenges and genetics, I'd imagine that those would still have an impact on your likelihood of having success come your way, though I'd need to do more research on that.
 
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nattys5thtoenail

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Im so sorry man, I have ADHD and I struggled in school like crazy so I relate to you so much in feeling incompetent and behind my peers. I was bullied in school and called "lazy" or "brat" by teachers for showing symptoms of it and it's left a deep scar on me and it's like reason #1 of why I'm suicidal in the first place. It hurts so fucking bad man, it really does.

Firstly I just want to let you know that it's never too late to re-learn anything you may have struggled with or return to school, if you dedicate yourself enough time to learning things like math you can quickly get to an age appropriate level in 4-6 months if you really try hard at it. There are dyslexic people who read so well that they're more advanced than non dyslexics because they spend so much time doing it. Anything is possible if you believe in yourself.

And as for university, you don't really need it to be successful, although you would have to work a lot harder. Try going to trade school and getting a CDL, a lot of us ADHDers seem to do well in that field and it's really fun because you get to travel around the US all by yourself and you make bank and if you don't know much about it they'll train you beforehand. But if you do decide that you want to go back to school you can enroll at a community college and transfer to a solid school. Don't compare yourself to others and go on your own path.

I hope you find peace :)
 
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