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noname223

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She is an older woman. My situation is complex don't judge me too fast.

After my most recent rejections (due to my love paranoia/psychotic symptoms) I ruined something. It is sort of hopeless that any woman wants to be with me. I became severely depressed. And I cannot take depression much longer. Last month I was in a clinic for acute suicidal people because I almost took SN. I consider to buy it again and to go through with it. I got really depressed and I did not know what to do against it. I thought of my bucket list knowing I might kill myself soon. I want to finish Infinite Jest and experience a partnership/sex.

So getting a partner with this illness is extremely difficult and frustrating to a point where I am about to kill myself. I thought if I am going to kill myself I can also consider to go to an escort woman. This made me really hypomanic and my depression vanished from one day to the next. It just disappeared and my mood completely shifted. I was quite impressed and she was also really impressed. I did not expect that. I think I am extremely touch depraved and I crave for it. I live in a country where it is gladly legal. We came to the conclusion if this might prevent my suicide it is a good idea.

It is a little bit ridiculous that this makes my depression go away instantly. It was only a thought experiment. I also ask myself whether it gonna be a huge disappointment because it is so much better in my head than in reality. But it really is something that I want to do before I die. However, I have to be very strategic when I want to plan it. And I think this is not something she was aware about the possible negative effects The sole thought experiment made me hypomanic as fuck. I awake again since 3:30 a.m. today. Just because I considered it. I might use it as a tool to decrease my depressive symptoms. But I am not sure whether it will work like that. I think she wanted to imply that it should not remain a thought experiment if it helps my depression so much. I am uncertain about that. I think I should only use it in slow dosages and look how it affects my psyche. Hypomania is also dangerous. I think doing it could trigger a hypomanic episode. Which would delay my downfall for some months but the crash afterwards would only be worse. I am not sure how I will evaluate the experience after I did it. I think I am not the person who thinks about first times that they have to be amazing. My first kiss without a joke: I had a psychosis and was fixated in a psych ward on a bed. I could not move (I think when I slept they removed it). And while I was sleeping a psychotic maybe 11 years old comes in my room and tries to kiss me on the mouth. It was so fucking scary. I woke up walked to the staff and told them to remove her. I think in the same night I also pissed myself on the floor. I was really psychotic and puzzled. So well I think going to a hooker might be a better first experience than this. Maybe. Lmao. Not sure whether it is a smart choice still. It has to be safe.
 
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casual_existence

casual_existence

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It helped a guy on this forum so if it's legal go for it. They're good at making people feel good so i think it's worth it.
 
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Alexei_Kirillov

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I think it's incumbent on you to think of the ethics of prostitution before deciding to do this.
 
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noname223

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I think it's incumbent on you to think of the ethics of prostitution before deciding to do this.
I think there are greyareas when it comes to prostitution considering ethics in my opnion. However, when I am on the edge of suicide I think I have to try almost everything to prevent my suicide. Of course I would still only search for someone who is not pressured into it/illegal prostitution. And it seems to be the only feasible thing that helps against my depression.
 
Dr Iron Arc

Dr Iron Arc

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Are escorts illegal in Germany? They're technically illegal where I am. If I had a therapist encourage this I'd report them for illegal activity lol. It'd be almost as bad as if they recommended you go out and shoot someone to feel better.
 
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noname223

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They are not illegal where I live.
 
Dr Iron Arc

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They are not illegal where I live.
Still seems pretty irresponsible for them to recommend it then considering there are still many risks involved. Of course, that's up to you to decide.
 
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GlassMoon

GlassMoon

trapped in a maze
Nov 18, 2024
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I read a story about somebody who was not allowing himself to have pre-marital sex for religious reasons and got himself lost in pornography instead, up to addictive levels. He went to an escort to finally experience it in a healthy way, and it seemed to have helped him to get out of the addiction, at least up to the time of the interview.

I think your point of choosing someone who is doing it on their free will is important, and also to be as respectful to that person as you would like to be treated.

Maybe as a first step, you could simply meet with an escort for a date that both parties will enjoy, without sexual interaction. In that way, you'd be around somebody who focuses on you for a while, and could decide where to go in another date if you still think it's what you want.
 
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noname223

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Still seems pretty irresponsible for them to recommend it then considering there are still many risks involved. Of course, that's up to you to decide.
Why is it irresponsible? I do not think that the risks are that high. The benefits seem to overweigh the risks.
 
Dr Iron Arc

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Why is it irresponsible? I do not think that the risks are that high. The benefits seem to overweigh the risks.
Well besides the standard stuff like STDs or pregnancy or getting scammed/mugged which can be mitigated (though not to an absolute degree), there's also the risk of you developing outlying feelings for such a person and potentially overstepping the client boundary. If you're anything like me you might even potentially end up addicted to using the escorts in general just to continue chasing these highs until you are left in crippling debt and that's if your first experience turns out well. If it doesn't, like, let's say your experience is actually very disappointing: That sex isn't what your endocrine system hyped it up to be. Then maybe your mind will decide it would have been better if you had never had such a negative experience. That kind of regret can't be removed. Or how about what if you actually think to yourself later down the line something like "I'm such a loser that I could only achieve sex and intimacy by paying for it." Stuff like that.

None of this stuff happened to me yet and I don't necessarily think any of them would happen to you but they're enough for me personally to decide that hiring an escort would not be for me because for me, if anything bad has even a small chance of happening, then it's going to happen. There might be even more unknown risks out there that I haven't even thought of and they could all have been prevented.

Regardless of what you choose, I still maintain that it simply flat out isn't a very responsible thing for a professional therapist to recommend at all.
 
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Aergia

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Jun 20, 2023
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I can't say I see any downsides. Though of course we here probably don't know your emotional workings well enough to comment on the possibility of a hypomanic episode or the other stuff Dr Iron Arc speaks about.

I think I should only use it in slow dosages and look how it affects my psyche.
Are you referring to seeing a sex-worker or to thinking about the prospect?

Regardless of what you choose, I still maintain that it simply flat out isn't a very responsible thing for a professional therapist to recommend at all.
Maybe this sort of thing is just culture-dependent? German law seems to have a very liberal approach to prostitution so I guess attitudes might be different there.

I think it's incumbent on you to think of the ethics of prostitution before deciding to do this.
I agree with the sentiment here (considering the ethics before engaging in something like this) but I wonder how much ethical risk there is in OP's case—as he's said, sex work is legal and regulated where he lives (for instance, looking at this page, operators of prostitution businesses cannot have been previously convicted of crimes like assault/fraud/forced prostitution and must "fulfil the health and safety protection of employed prostitutes"). It seems this would, if not totally eliminate ethical risk, at least reduce it to that associated with engaging with any other trade where a worker uses their body for income (like construction work or mining).
 
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noname223

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Well besides the standard stuff like STDs or pregnancy or getting scammed/mugged which can be mitigated (though not to an absolute degree), there's also the risk of you developing outlying feelings for such a person and potentially overstepping the client boundary. If you're anything like me you might even potentially end up addicted to using the escorts in general just to continue chasing these highs until you are left in crippling debt and that's if your first experience turns out well. If it doesn't, like, let's say your experience is actually very disappointing: That sex isn't what your endocrine system hyped it up to be. Then maybe your mind will decide it would have been better if you had never had such a negative experience. That kind of regret can't be removed. Or how about what if you actually think to yourself later down the line something like "I'm such a loser that I could only achieve sex and intimacy by paying for it." Stuff like that.

None of this stuff happened to me yet and I don't necessarily think any of them would happen to you but they're enough for me personally to decide that hiring an escort would not be for me because for me, if anything bad has even a small chance of happening, then it's going to happen. There might be even more unknown risks out there that I haven't even thought of and they could all have been prevented.

Regardless of what you choose, I still maintain that it simply flat out isn't a very responsible thing for a professional therapist to recommend at all.
My biggest fears are possible STD and pregnancy. And maybe a possible shame afterwards. I think the other scenarios are rather unlikely. I could develop feelings but I know it is not possible to be together with her.
And I really was on the edge of suicide last month. It would have been sad to end my life before experiencing it. I am quite curious about it.
I read many users here who elaborated that they went to an escort woman before suicide. It seemed to very brave and an interesting way to end it.

I can't say I see any downsides. Though of course we here probably don't know your emotional workings well enough to comment on the possibility of a hypomanic episode or the other stuff Dr Iron Arc speaks about.


Are you referring to seeing a sex-worker or to thinking about the prospect?


Maybe this sort of thing is just culture-dependent? German law seems to have a very liberal approach to prostitution so I guess attitudes might be different there.


I agree with the sentiment here (considering the ethics before engaging in something like this) but I wonder how much ethical risk there is in OP's case—as he's said, sex work is legal and regulated where he lives (for instance, looking at this page, operators of prostitution businesses cannot have been previously convicted of crimes like assault/fraud/forced prostitution and must "fulfil the health and safety protection of employed prostitutes"). It seems this would, if not totally eliminate ethical risk, at least reduce it to that associated with engaging with any other trade where a worker uses their body for income (like construction work or mining).
I am refering to the pace of going through with this plan. I was again pretty hypomanic. I still want to think about it. About the pros and cons. I texted one escort woman who was a red flag. I could text the other one that seemed to be interesting. I will do it step by step and observe how my psyche reacts.
 
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casual_existence

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The ethics and morality are beside the point honestly. McDonald's throws those out the window everyday and millions of people still go to them. And since it's legal there's a much higher chance that they're not totally shitty to their employees but just like McDonald's there's people that are going to hate it or are even abused. Nobody is innocent and minimizing our inpact it is the only way to live.
 
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If you want to go to an escort
1. Do not go under the influence of drugs or in a state of high alcohol intoxication
2. Be the one who arranges the meeting place, a hotel that is reliable for you
 
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noname223

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Aug 18, 2020
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If you want to go to an escort
1. Do not go under the influence of drugs or in a state of high alcohol intoxication
2. Be the one who arranges the meeting place, a hotel that is reliable for you
Why is the second advice important?
Not for example meeting her in her apartment.