no one truly kills themselves... it's a million little struggles, typically caused by other humans, that build up into the unbearable

[SufferingInDenmark]

no one truly kills themselves... it's a million little struggles, typically caused by other humans, that build up into the unbearable,
to where all those people collectively indirectly killed you.

a little poetic, but still makes sense

 

[artificialpasta]

Why lie to yourself? No one is forcing us to drink poison.

Strangers and acquaintances are not responsible for us either. Otherwise by this logic you are responsible for the death of a child somewhere in the world because you were spending time on this forum or throwing money at an unnecessary expense instead of donating it to them.

 

[TBONTB]

no one truly kills themselves... it's a million little struggles, typically caused by other humans, that build up into the unbearable,
to where all those people collectively indirectly killed you.

a little poetic, but still makes sense

People can be cruel, they can be unintentional, and they can be kind. But ultimately we make our own choices.

Sounds like people have been hard on you, and I'm sorry for that.

 

[NeverReallyHere]

Why lie to yourself? No one is forcing us to drink poison.

Strangers and acquaintances are not responsible for us either. Otherwise by this logic you are responsible for the death of a child somewhere in the world because you were spending time on this forum or throwing money at an unnecessary expense instead of donating it to them.

I think it's more about collective responsibility than individual. We're all the products of the world we grew up in and inhabit, and, particularly in our late-modern era, our world is one shaped mostly by humans.

 

[Carrot]

For me it doesn't matter who is to blame. We cpuld always blame somebody else, who created this word or didn't care for future generations, or actively tries to sabotage the well being of others for some reasons.

What matters to me is what I can do about it, am I able and willing to do something about. If I can't or don't want to, ctb will be a rational choice of mine. And I don't really care whose fault it is.

 

[Linda]

no one truly kills themselves... it's a million little struggles, typically caused by other humans, that build up into the unbearable,
to where all those people collectively indirectly killed you.

a little poetic, but still makes sense

It makes perfect sense to me.

 

[artificialpasta]

I think it's more about collective responsibility than individual. We're all the products of the world we grew up in and inhabit, and, particularly in our late-modern era, our world is one shaped mostly by humans.

Under such a broad definition, all preventable suffering is something each of is guilty of, e.g. the homeless person near your street is homeless because of you. That is clearly not what most people mean when they think of responsibility, especially when it comes to a freely chosen act like suicide.

 

[Withered]

Under such a broad definition, all preventable suffering is something each of is guilty of, e.g. the homeless person near your street is homeless because of you. That is clearly not what most people mean when they think of responsibility, especially when it comes to a freely chosen act like suicide.

There's a large amount of semantic misunderstanding going back and forth here. What the side with which you are debating is trying to get across is that we live in a universe governed by cause and effect; some people are unfortunate enough to have the majority of the effects—caused by whomever or whatever—that befall them to be in or near the "negative" category. No one is insinuating that there is "guilt" to be had by any person x times removed from a negative affliction unto a person who ultimately kills themself.

Your fallacious example takes what the person to whom you replied was describing as a series of individuals inevitably playing miniscule causal roles in decision processes to all people being directly at fault for all other people's mishaps.

Also, "'freely' chosen" being holistically descriptive of suicide is disagreeable.

 

[artificialpasta]

No one is insinuating that there is "guilt" to be had by any person x times removed from a negative affliction unto a person who ultimately kills themself.

That is the implication I get from the original post that I am responding to:

to where all those people collectively indirectly killed you.

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Also, "'freely' chosen" being holistically descriptive of suicide is disagreeable.

Obviously doesn't apply in cases where the choice is coerced (like goading or forcing you into doing it). But in most cases the death is self-inflicted, yes. You can be talk about how the choices we make aren't actually free because of how they are influenced by psychology or the environment but again that would digress from what most people mean when they use the word.

 

[Ligottian]

If it's still online, check out the prose poem "Shoelace" by Charles Bukowski. It's about all the little things that add up to create a breaking point. Just substitute suicide for madhouse.

 

[quietwoods]

Perusing the responses, looks like OP was successful in their goal of stirring the pot.

 

[artificialpasta]

Perusing the responses, looks like OP was successful in their goal of stirring the pot.

Mine seems to be the only contrarian response so I wouldn't say that, and I don't think it was OP's intent to "stir the pot", whatever that means. I understand there's some artistic license here with the words but just wanted to warn against the tendency to assign blame to others for an outcome we ultimately decide for ourselves.

 

[Withered]

That is the implication I get from the original post that I am responding to:



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Obviously doesn't apply in cases where the choice is coerced (like goading or forcing you into doing it). But in most cases the death is self-inflicted, yes. You can be talk about how the choices we make aren't actually free because of how they are influenced by psychology or the environment but again that would digress from what most people mean when they use the word.

I don't think you understand what I am saying. The problem of semantic misunderstanding is again present.

 

[unluckysadness]

no one truly kills themselves... it's a million little struggles, typically caused by other humans, that build up into the unbearable,
to where all those people collectively indirectly killed you.

a little poetic, but still makes sense

it makes sense to me too. i think events of life kill us